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Post by eJm on Apr 22, 2021 15:45:25 GMT -5
Did Vince ever consider New Jack? At the back of my head there's something of a rumour I vaguely remember with John Cena during his early days with the US title (before he became a main eventer). Was there also a character called Jesus at the time or am I making stuff up? I have no idea about the first but the latter was Aaron Aguilera's cup of coffee in the WWE as Carlito's bodyguard who stabbed Cena in the spleen during their feud. Yes.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 22, 2021 15:47:59 GMT -5
Did Vince ever consider New Jack? At the back of my head there's something of a rumour I vaguely remember with John Cena during his early days with the US title (before he became a main eventer). Was there also a character called Jesus at the time or am I making stuff up? New Jack has said a couple times he was supposed to have tryout matches with WWF but they always fell through. He said he thinks it's cause people were terrified to work with him at that point. He also said that he was supposed to get a shot in WCW and Kevin Nash stopped that because of his reputation... something every other party with knowledge of the situation denies and have all said at the time New Jack was talking about Turner would have never given the OK for that signing
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Post by dirtyoldman on Apr 22, 2021 15:58:41 GMT -5
Did Vince ever consider New Jack? At the back of my head there's something of a rumour I vaguely remember with John Cena during his early days with the US title (before he became a main eventer). Was there also a character called Jesus at the time or am I making stuff up? I have no idea about the first but the latter was Aaron Aguilera's cup of coffee in the WWE as Carlito's bodyguard who stabbed Cena in the spleen during their feud. Yes. Ahhh, was there a rumour that Cenas mystery stabber was going to be New Jack..? Or was that the internet gossip getting carried away?
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Post by eJm on Apr 22, 2021 15:59:52 GMT -5
I have no idea about the first but the latter was Aaron Aguilera's cup of coffee in the WWE as Carlito's bodyguard who stabbed Cena in the spleen during their feud. Yes. Ahhh, was there a rumour that Cenas mystery stabber was going to be New Jack..? Or was that the internet gossip getting carried away? I'd want to read that rumor because man, I'd want to be a fly on the wall if that was in any way pitched. ESPECIALLY since this was during Paul Heyman's time as Smackdown booker.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 22, 2021 16:10:04 GMT -5
Some. He was an idiot, but that doesn't mean he deserved to have New Jack act like a complete psychopath on him.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Apr 22, 2021 16:13:56 GMT -5
Ahhh, was there a rumour that Cenas mystery stabber was going to be New Jack..? Or was that the internet gossip getting carried away? I'd want to read that rumor because man, I'd want to be a fly on the wall if that was in any way pitched. ESPECIALLY since this was during Paul Heyman's time as Smackdown booker. Was the stabbing angle was because Cena was supposed to have surgery and would have had a scar when he returned? I can see a storyline with a knife man and Heyman on the team could lead to New Jack rumours.
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Post by eJm on Apr 22, 2021 16:14:57 GMT -5
I'd want to read that rumor because man, I'd want to be a fly on the wall if that was in any way pitched. ESPECIALLY since this was during Paul Heyman's time as Smackdown booker. Was the stabbing angle was because Cena was supposed to have surgery and would have had a scar when he returned? I can see a storyline with a knife man and Heyman on the team could lead to New Jack rumours. What if I told you he didn't even stay out for a week and had no scars to show?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 22, 2021 17:43:27 GMT -5
Did Vince ever consider New Jack? At the back of my head there's something of a rumour I vaguely remember with John Cena during his early days with the US title (before he became a main eventer). Was there also a character called Jesus at the time or am I making stuff up? Yes to Jesus... pronounced hey-seuss. there were a few rumors that New Jack was going to be brought in... but I don't think there was any substantive proof that it would have happened.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 22, 2021 17:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by corndog on Apr 22, 2021 17:55:32 GMT -5
Might be a digression but I think it's telling that carving a 17 year old kid with an exacto knife like a thanksgiving turkey if far from the nost f***ed up thing New Jack has done. Stabbing a guy nine times, hitting Gypsy Joe at full force with a metal baseball bat, the Vic Grimes scaffold incident are all far worse than Mass Transit, because he literally tried to kill them. Having said that, I feel some sympathy for Mass Transit because in typical New Jack fashion, New Jack went WAY too far. But it was dumb and dangerous for Mass Transit to lie about his training. Probably should have ruffed the kid a bit to push him out. Also, I think the reason New Jack gets some slack here, is because for New Jack it was easily one of his milder incidents. He wasn't try to kill him, just scare the shit out of him.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 22, 2021 23:08:13 GMT -5
I don't care if Transit was 50, once the trained wrestler realized that the guy wasn't a trained wrestler, you don't cut him up.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Apr 22, 2021 23:23:29 GMT -5
I don't care if Transit was 50, once the trained wrestler realized that the guy wasn't a trained wrestler, you don't cut him up. I don't know I've found the footage of the match, and I don't know that there would have been a chance to see that. Him just getting slapped around with weapons doesn't really expose his lack of training. Frankly even if he was trained cutting him up would be a shitty thing to do.
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Post by koreycaskets on Apr 22, 2021 23:36:46 GMT -5
From a Body Building forum posted in 2005.
"Although the WWE was interested in New Jack, there were a number of conflicts that stood in the way of the two reaching a deal. One of the issues involved New Jack reportedly complaining to road agents about something related to working with Val Venis.
Turns out New Jack had an afternoon tryout in-ring (before the fans were let in) with Val prior to a RAW taping, and didn't like that Val tried to actually wrestle and do some chain sequences.""
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 23, 2021 5:43:28 GMT -5
Good lord, how you can not feel sympathy for the kid. Yes, at 17 you are still a kid
He lied and that is a big f***ing problem along with his pops lying BUT they still carved that poor kid up. A "professional" would have noticed he was green anyway and told him to f*** off before he gets hurt. New Jack is a sociopathic asshole who didn't do his job, he tried to maim the kid just because. Stupid kid made a huge mistake and he paid for it but he didn't deserve that
I want to say i'm surprised at some of these responses but sadly i'm not.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 23, 2021 5:51:50 GMT -5
Did Vince ever consider New Jack? At the back of my head there's something of a rumour I vaguely remember with John Cena during his early days with the US title (before he became a main eventer). Was there also a character called Jesus at the time or am I making stuff up? They considered using New Jack as the guy who stabbed John Cena but they called him in for a practice match with Val Venis and he could barely even lock up properly so they didn't bother with him. Definitely for the best.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 23, 2021 8:00:07 GMT -5
There was stupidity all around, but all my blame goes to New Jack.
Promo wise? I won’t lie, he can be a guilty pleasure for me on occasion. But sorry, dude should be in a special jail cell like Hannibal Lecter, with autograph seekers coming up to him like Clarice.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Apr 23, 2021 8:42:31 GMT -5
Did Vince ever consider New Jack? At the back of my head there's something of a rumour I vaguely remember with John Cena during his early days with the US title (before he became a main eventer). Was there also a character called Jesus at the time or am I making stuff up? They considered using New Jack as the guy who stabbed John Cena but they called him in for a practice match with Val Venis and he could barely even lock up properly so they didn't bother with him. Definitely for the best. So I wasn't making it up. Ah, its amazing what sticks at the back of the head lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 9:28:45 GMT -5
Holy f*** at these results. Are you for real?
Total sympathy. He was a high school age kid who made a poor decision but one that should've never been allowed to happen in the first place. I hold him the least responsible for what went down, behind the wildly irresponsible father, reckless carny Heyman, and that sociopathic piece of shit New Jack.
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Post by hassanchop on Apr 23, 2021 10:27:57 GMT -5
I recall on the video while New Jack was beating him, I swear I can hear him saying "You alright?" and Kulas responded "Yeah, fine." Then Jack continued beating then did the blading.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 10:34:37 GMT -5
Did Vince ever consider New Jack? At the back of my head there's something of a rumour I vaguely remember with John Cena during his early days with the US title (before he became a main eventer). Was there also a character called Jesus at the time or am I making stuff up? They considered using New Jack as the guy who stabbed John Cena but they called him in for a practice match with Val Venis and he could barely even lock up properly so they didn't bother with him. Definitely for the best. See, I understand that he could have been on something or has enough brain damage that it inhibited his ability to wrestle or was simply being a prick but New Jack was trained by Brad Rhenigans and actually wrestled using holds in Smokey Mountain Wrestling. Lance Storm even said he was much better in the ring than you'd expect.
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