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Post by Instant Classic on Aug 3, 2021 23:31:47 GMT -5
I’d love to but I got a thing called bills.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 4, 2021 1:11:48 GMT -5
I wonder if more people are suddenly going to be "company guys" since their jobs are being played with via eeny meeny miny moe. I mean I'd kinda get it if it was someone employed by the WWE maybe trying to score points with the bosses but... Tyler isn't... he was cut in the last round of cuts...
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Post by thehottag on Aug 4, 2021 2:27:26 GMT -5
WWE's lack of logic, both on TV & in reality, is enough to drive you nuts.
- "You've got to grab the brass ring! You've got to want it, live 'diz biznis' 25 hours a day, 8 days a week! You gotta show everyone how much this means to you, bust your ass, don't take no for an answer! Come up with your own gimmick (unless we give it to someone else), get over on your own (unless we don't want you to), & if you don't want to be the champ, then why are you even here?"
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- "If you don't like where you are, shut up or quit. Except you can't quit, because you're under contract, but we can fire you whenever you like, even though you're technically an independent contractor"
This company is so rinky-dink, I swear.
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Post by Legion on Aug 4, 2021 3:16:09 GMT -5
I agree with him completely and like how he sees the role using both a sports analogy and an acting one.
Take the money when you can, if you want more than the money and they wont give it, get out.
And while it isnt a job that's as easy to quit as say, Walmart, unless you're a massive top name, WWE probably isnt going to fight you on your release, especially at the moment
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 3:17:27 GMT -5
Let this serve as a lesson for everyone: being a "team player" means supporting your teammates, not your boss who would kick you out on the corner if it would save him a nickel.
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Post by schma on Aug 4, 2021 3:52:26 GMT -5
I got a few employees who I wish would follow his advice of just quit. The difference is, all my company expects is two weeks notice and you're onyour way. If it were that simple for wrestlers then sure he'd have a point but it isn't. If WWE doesn't want to let you go, quitting isn't an option.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 4, 2021 10:22:55 GMT -5
Seriously, "just quit" only works if, well...you can. WWE contracts let them dump you with zero notice, but you can't do a damn thing if you want out but they don't want you to go anywhere, even if they have no intention of using you.
And I know the OP said lets ignore the stupid tweet that posted the quote, but I can't help it: how do you blame wrestlers for being frustrated over not being used, and blame fans for not liking it when wrestlers they like are stuck doing literally nothing? For fans, it's about what makes the best product, so if people getting stuck in catering pisses you off as a fan then by all means be pissed, even if those people are getting paid.
But more than that, why wouldn't the wrestlers themselves be annoyed? As I understand it Breeze has business interests outside of wrestling. Good for him! Him getting paid his downside guarantee while also doing his outside business likely means he was doing just fine, and if he doesn't get used it doesn't really phase him. That's fine, and if it works for him that's great.
For others? Not everyone has something going on outside the industry. More than that, most wrestlers are in the industry because they love performing for receptive audiences, and it sucks when you can't do what you love for no reason beyond "We've got nothing for you right now, no matter how good you might be."
And more than that, and arguably most importantly, these wrestlers know that their time to make big money in this industry is inherently limited; sitting out some of your prime years in catering while just collecting a check will certainly pay your bills, so that's nice, but what happens once WWE releases you and your profile is ice cold around the business because nobody's seen you do anything for God knows how long? Collecting the paycheck is nice, but it carries the potential to hurt you down the line when WWE doesn't feel like paying you anymore.
Granted, one could say "you don't get anything complaining about it on social media", but I'm sorry, I don't begrudge someone venting when they're frustrated, even if it's not always the best idea; we're only human. We get the narrative how the "squeaky wheel gets the grease", which seems to encourage speaking up, but we know that only works sometimes, and other times Vince or whomever might hear or see you speaking up and just decide they're annoyed at you, whatever their whims happen to be.
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Post by thechase on Aug 4, 2021 11:05:35 GMT -5
To best avoid the one-two-three There's an easy way that's trouble free It's got Breezango's guarantee Guarantee void in NXT Quit your job Quit your job
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Post by koreycaskets on Aug 4, 2021 12:46:47 GMT -5
I dunno.
I wish my job would pay me to sit at home a do nothing. But then again I'm not a wrestler/ sports entertainer, I'm a production supervisor at a factory 😝
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Post by eJm on Aug 4, 2021 12:52:50 GMT -5
I dunno. I wish my job would pay me to sit at home a do nothing. But then again I'm not a wrestler/ sports entertainer, I'm a production supervisor at a factory 😝 As someone who spent a year being paid sitting at home doing nothing, it was honestly the most demoralizing year in my life. Especially trying to figure out how to pass a probation when you hadn't been at your job for 6 months.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 4, 2021 13:04:04 GMT -5
I dunno. I wish my job would pay me to sit at home a do nothing. But then again I'm not a wrestler/ sports entertainer, I'm a production supervisor at a factory 😝 As someone who spent a year being paid sitting at home doing nothing, it was honestly the most demoralizing year in my life. Especially trying to figure out how to pass a probation when you hadn't been at your job for 6 months. Yeh agree,my former "boss"(he wasnt my direct boss,but he was the project leader) absolutely hated me ,since I was there to help with the project,not sure if he saw me as a threat to his position since a few people there liked my ideas,or if he just hated I showcase the flaws on his,so he just avoided giving me any work at all to do on it,even if I went ahead and was proactive,it was just tossed aside.It gets frustating when you WANT to do something but arent allowed to.
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Post by sfvega on Aug 4, 2021 13:08:49 GMT -5
Takes like this suck, that's like telling a regular dude this, if you don't like it quit, yea dude let me and my family be homeless, sounds like a great idea. I think it's entirely different in the recent wrestling landscape. You can make a great living in AEW or NJPW. You can make a good living in ROH, in NWA, in TNA. You can stream on Twitch, start a YouTube channel, go on Cameo, start a podcast. If you're of a certain level of this, you have options even if they are diminishing returns. Wrestlers have more options than ever, seemingly. Breeze is a guy who has a lot of irons in the fire, and I think he feels like other people have the same options he does. Might be entitled, but I think it's from a good place. Meanwhile, when I got told that 10 years ago at a job I was making $10/hr, I kinda hated the boss that told me that. But at the time, I also thought he was kinda right. But wrestlers on such a big platform have many more options than stay or be homeless. I think many in WWE or recently in WWE have/had long made their peace with how shitty it was ran, but loved the pay, the co-workers, some of the travel, and the opportunities it afforded them. In a way, they have to deal with the same broken promises and "talking yourself out of quitting" that you or I do.
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Post by nisidhe on Aug 4, 2021 13:39:55 GMT -5
You go in, you stink up the joint with craptastic matches using endless rest holds and repeat until Vince's head explodes. Then repeat. What's he gonna do - fire you? Just botch the shit out of everything until Maffew has to start another three YT channels. The highest-paid pro wrestlers on the planet performing in the ring like two 18-year-old curtain-jerkers at a high-school gym show who'd just finished setting up the ring and _might_ get a hotdog at the end of the night. I was just making a Simpsons reference, didn’t want to get you all fired up. You've done no such thing. I'm just painting a picture in the context of pro wrestling of what Vince would prefer and accept. When you discourage excellence, you breed mediocrity.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 4, 2021 14:49:04 GMT -5
I wonder if more people are suddenly going to be "company guys" since their jobs are being played with via eeny meeny miny moe. I mean I'd kinda get it if it was someone employed by the WWE maybe trying to score points with the bosses but... Tyler isn't... he was cut in the last round of cuts... Oh, I figured he was still with them. So he's just not very bright.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 4, 2021 14:54:58 GMT -5
Being reminded Breeze was fired on page three of this thread is like finding out the guy who crapped his pants on the bus did it on purpose because he didn't want anyone sitting next to him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 15:35:53 GMT -5
Being reminded Breeze was fired on page three of this thread is like finding out the guy who crapped his pants on the bus did it on purpose because he didn't want anyone sitting next to him. It took me a few minutes to remember if Breeze was still with the company or not.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 5, 2021 15:43:28 GMT -5
I wonder if more people are suddenly going to be "company guys" since their jobs are being played with via eeny meeny miny moe. I mean I'd kinda get it if it was someone employed by the WWE maybe trying to score points with the bosses but... Tyler isn't... he was cut in the last round of cuts... These are the sorts of statements, that, in a vacuum, wouldn't necessarily be as harsh as they end up being due to the shadow of WWE (and all of it's issues) hanging over them.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 5, 2021 15:53:27 GMT -5
Breeze is also a guy that had a lot of projects in real estate so in some sense he is rather tone deaf as he was doing stuff other than wrestling.
Now in some ways I do think he has a good point in there somewhere. There have been a few wrestlers in recent years that were either visibly or allegedly vocal on not being happy, they then signed huge deals, and them nothing changed? When I hear those stories I don't feel bad for them. But when you have guys like Brodie and FTR who would flat out say look you have no plans my contract is coming up let me leave and they're told no? That's an issue.
Poorly worded for sure by Breeze but again I do think there is a point in saying if you made a decision strictly by numbers on a piece of paper? That's on you.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 5, 2021 16:11:51 GMT -5
Breeze is also a guy that had a lot of projects in real estate so in some sense he is rather tone deaf as he was doing stuff other than wrestling. Now in some ways I do think he has a good point in there somewhere. There have been a few wrestlers in recent years that were either visibly or allegedly vocal on not being happy, they then signed huge deals, and them nothing changed? When I hear those stories I don't feel bad for them. But when you have guys like Brodie and FTR who would flat out say look you have no plans my contract is coming up let me leave and they're told no? That's an issue. Poorly worded for sure by Breeze but again I do think there is a point in saying if you made a decision strictly by numbers on a piece of paper? That's on you. If it was "don't complain about how you're unused underappreciated and unhappy and then sign a new contract." (or as I call it a Ziggler) Sure. but not re-signing and quitting are two different things... but even then "just quit" doesn't really work because as stated the WWE at least recently have been 100% keep everyone regardless if they want out or not...
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 6, 2021 10:21:36 GMT -5
Breeze is also a guy that had a lot of projects in real estate so in some sense he is rather tone deaf as he was doing stuff other than wrestling. Now in some ways I do think he has a good point in there somewhere. There have been a few wrestlers in recent years that were either visibly or allegedly vocal on not being happy, they then signed huge deals, and them nothing changed? When I hear those stories I don't feel bad for them. But when you have guys like Brodie and FTR who would flat out say look you have no plans my contract is coming up let me leave and they're told no? That's an issue. Poorly worded for sure by Breeze but again I do think there is a point in saying if you made a decision strictly by numbers on a piece of paper? That's on you. If it was "don't complain about how you're unused underappreciated and unhappy and then sign a new contract." (or as I call it a Ziggler) Sure. but not re-signing and quitting are two different things... but even then "just quit" doesn't really work because as stated the WWE at least recently have been 100% keep everyone regardless if they want out or not... Of course thus I feel there's a good point in there somewhere. The issue of course is that is not what he said. Ialso think it's short sighted and unfair for him to also ignore how many people actually are pitching ideas and get ignored
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