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Post by eJm on Aug 15, 2021 15:40:38 GMT -5
But that was his point. If you sit there and get bitter, knowing shit isn't changing, but still taking their money, why bother? Go work somewhere that might push you if you genuinely believe in yourself and believe you are worth more. If you can't be content sat in catering and taking the money, dont put yourself through the bitterness and dont re-sign/ask for your release for your own sanity. It isnt about judging, it's about saying what he did and what got him through it, and he thinks everyone would be better taking the same approach. If that was easy to do, more people would have done it. There's enough history to know that's the case. Like, maybe it's easier now because they can just make you a "budget cut" but you know that's merely easier said then done. EDIT: Also the other stuff like guaranteed income, supporting loved ones etc. But sure, it's easy to just do that.
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Post by Legion on Aug 15, 2021 16:05:21 GMT -5
But that was his point. If you sit there and get bitter, knowing shit isn't changing, but still taking their money, why bother? Go work somewhere that might push you if you genuinely believe in yourself and believe you are worth more. If you can't be content sat in catering and taking the money, dont put yourself through the bitterness and dont re-sign/ask for your release for your own sanity. It isnt about judging, it's about saying what he did and what got him through it, and he thinks everyone would be better taking the same approach. If that was easy to do, more people would have done it. There's enough history to know that's the case. Like, maybe it's easier now because they can just make you a "budget cut" but you know that's merely easier said then done. But would they have? Lots of people like to moan and whine, but will never give up the money or the security that comes with. While you can absolutely be frustrated in your job, to act like your jobs owes you anything beyond the money you get paid is just screaming in to the wind. As long as you get paid, they can use you or not, totally up to them. But you sign the contract, you agree to be used or not used for X year for Y money and that's that. If you become unhappy with that look to leave - potentially not right away depending on your contract status - but when you can, dont re-sign or keep requesting the release until they give it - but in the mean time, for your own sanity, find a way to accept it - that's what he did. Now the hoarding period seems to be over, I suspect we may see more people asking for releases and getting them quicker than over the last few years, so now we'll start to see who is going to 'sh*t or get off the pot' with their frustrations.
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Post by eJm on Aug 15, 2021 16:10:25 GMT -5
If that was easy to do, more people would have done it. There's enough history to know that's the case. Like, maybe it's easier now because they can just make you a "budget cut" but you know that's merely easier said then done. But would they have? Lots of people like to moan and whine, but will never give up the money or the security that comes with. While you can absolutely be frustrated in your job, to act like your jobs owes you anything beyond the money you get paid is just screaming in to the wind. As long as you get paid, they can use you or not, totally up to them. But you sign the contract, you agree to be used or not used for X year for Y money and that's that. If you become unhappy with that look to leave - potentially not right away depending on your contract status - but when you can, dont re-sign or keep requesting the release until they give it - but in the mean time, for your own sanity, find a way to accept it - that's what he did. Now the hoarding period seems to be over, I suspect we may see more people asking for releases and getting them quicker than over the last few years, so now we'll start to see who is going to 'sh*t or get off the pot' with their frustrations. I mean, we always come with this with different philosophies but it further reminds me how f***ed all of this is, really. You're not going to agree with that and hey, completely fine but I never come out of this thinking anything but "rich guys taking advantage of people with dreams to line their own pockets" because, well, they are. And this is just a case of that. So yeah, that's where I'll leave it.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 16, 2021 1:59:05 GMT -5
His latest about the WWE going nuts on twitch accounts is "the boys will mess it up for the boys"
Breeze needs to stop talking, he is doing nothing but coming off as a company stooge.
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Post by spagett on Aug 16, 2021 2:03:26 GMT -5
His latest about the WWE going nuts on twitch accounts is "the boys will mess it up for the boys" Breeze needs to stop talking, he is doing nothing but coming off as a company stooge. I agree. Sounds more Prince Prichard than Prince Pretty
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Post by facethatrunstheplace on Aug 16, 2021 2:25:33 GMT -5
But that was his point. If you sit there and get bitter, knowing shit isn't changing, but still taking their money, why bother? Go work somewhere that might push you if you genuinely believe in yourself and believe you are worth more. If you can't be content sat in catering and taking the money, dont put yourself through the bitterness and dont re-sign/ask for your release for your own sanity. It isnt about judging, it's about saying what he did and what got him through it, and he thinks everyone would be better taking the same approach. It's not that simple, some superstars have requested to be released only to have their requests rejected. Luke Harper is one of the superstars that they did this to.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Aug 16, 2021 5:04:54 GMT -5
His latest about the WWE going nuts on twitch accounts is "the boys will mess it up for the boys" Breeze needs to stop talking, he is doing nothing but coming off as a company stooge. Sounds like someone is angling to return for less money.
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Post by Legion on Aug 16, 2021 5:10:52 GMT -5
But that was his point. If you sit there and get bitter, knowing shit isn't changing, but still taking their money, why bother? Go work somewhere that might push you if you genuinely believe in yourself and believe you are worth more. If you can't be content sat in catering and taking the money, dont put yourself through the bitterness and dont re-sign/ask for your release for your own sanity. It isnt about judging, it's about saying what he did and what got him through it, and he thinks everyone would be better taking the same approach. It's not that simple, some superstars have requested to be released only to have their requests rejected. Luke Harper is one of the superstars that they did this to. Yes, but that was during the hoarding phase, and he owed them time for being paid while injured (which is another issue). He did eventually get released by asking several times and working off the alleged time owed. Now the hoarding seems to be over, let's see if we hear stories of refusals continuing.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 16, 2021 8:32:00 GMT -5
His latest about the WWE going nuts on twitch accounts is "the boys will mess it up for the boys" Breeze needs to stop talking, he is doing nothing but coming off as a company stooge. I agree. Sounds more Prince Prichard than Prince Pretty Prince Petty.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 8:52:53 GMT -5
He's right though.
There's too many wrestlers who are complete marks for themselves and the business.
They forget it's a TV show. You are assigned a role. You wouldn't see an extra on Game of Thrones saying "NO! It should be me that kills Ned Stark!"
Titles are props to further storylines. You don't actually win anything in wrestling. You are given the role. That's what most of these guys forget.
And its always the ones who look down on us fans as "the marks" who are actually the biggest marks themselves.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 16, 2021 16:04:55 GMT -5
Except it's not that easy.
People like Luke Harper wanted to quit for like 2 years and they WOULDN'T LET HIM.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 16, 2021 16:26:12 GMT -5
Let's be real here
If it's to do with how an employee is being treated
WWE are always going to be the unreasonable ones. I mean, any corporation would be, but WWE especially
They also have a system designed to indoctrinate you into thinking that what they're doing makes sense, because it likely DOES within the WWE system
And that's not even getting into the fact that we should barely be discussing WWE as a 'job' because, as WWE is so keen to emphasise, none of these wrestlers are actually 'employed' by WWE, per se.
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