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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 10, 2022 20:34:43 GMT -5
So for the March 5th MSG show it's advertised as having Ronda and Sasha vs Nattie and Charlotte. Not gonna be surprised if that's gonna be a tag match prior to WM. I'm interested in how the crowd will react to her. They'll pump so fake crowd noise in. The worst part of the Thunderdome era no doubt. WWE now controls the reactions and pretends things don't happen. She's gonna be a MEGA babyface no doubt.
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Post by mistery on Feb 10, 2022 20:41:29 GMT -5
So for the March 5th MSG show it's advertised as having Ronda and Sasha vs Nattie and Charlotte. Not gonna be surprised if that's gonna be a tag match prior to WM. I'm interested in how the crowd will react to her. They'll pump so fake crowd noise in. The worst part of the Thunderdome era no doubt. WWE now controls the reactions and pretends things don't happen. She's gonna be a MEGA babyface no doubt. It's a house show. Not a live broadcast.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 20:42:51 GMT -5
So for the March 5th MSG show it's advertised as having Ronda and Sasha vs Nattie and Charlotte. Not gonna be surprised if that's gonna be a tag match prior to WM. I'm interested in how the crowd will react to her. They'll pump so fake crowd noise in. The worst part of the Thunderdome era no doubt. WWE now controls the reactions and pretends things don't happen. She's gonna be a MEGA babyface no doubt. And Ronda is gonna then read the interwebs about how she is getting fake noise pumped in to give her the reaction the company wants and her glass thin skin will turn into paper. She already got booed when she got mentioned on Raw lol no matter what WWE thinks they are gonna do this is just an unavoidable train wreck. If they put that tag match on TV...guarantee it will be cheers when Sasha gets the tag and boo's when Ronda does.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 10, 2022 20:45:26 GMT -5
They'll pump so fake crowd noise in. The worst part of the Thunderdome era no doubt. WWE now controls the reactions and pretends things don't happen. She's gonna be a MEGA babyface no doubt. It's a house show. Not a live broadcast. Oh I mean the rest of the way on TV. It's going to sound so chopped up and manufactured on TV.
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 10, 2022 20:49:55 GMT -5
Yeah, y'know, I think wrestling might not be for Ronda Rousey. She doesn't seem terribly interested in trying to keep kayfabe (or, unfortunately, protecting her opponents), and you can't just get pissy at fans when they boo you. I dunno, not seeing much of a fit here aside from WWE constantly trying to make this shit work.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 10, 2022 20:51:25 GMT -5
Yeah, y'know, I think wrestling might not be for Ronda Rousey. She doesn't seem terribly interested in trying to keep kayfabe (or, unfortunately, protecting her opponents), and you can't just get pissy at fans when they boo you. I dunno, not seeing much of a fit here aside from WWE constantly trying to make this shit work. Yup. At this rate, might as well bill the Mania match with Charlotte as loser leaves WWE. And be done with it. She doesn't sound like she's mentally gonna get to Mania 39.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 10, 2022 21:42:44 GMT -5
She's a 35-year-old woman who has coasted along on her MMA career. She wouldn't even be considered among the UFC's best-ever - she was a champion when women in MMA were just starting to make an impression and before the gyms were clogged with women fighters. When the best of those started making their way to UFC, Ronda simply couldn't keep up. She's the women's version of Royce Gracie. The difference being the Gracie was a part of a family that basically familiarized the world with Jiu-Jitsu. Ronda doesn't have that, but like Gracie, she got her status in MMA from basically being around in its infancy. As soon as women's MMA evolved, she was done. The same thing happened with Royce. He was still competitive, but was outclassed by more well-rounded fighters. In hindsight, Ronda should have left MMA right after the Bethe Correira fight. She still had the undefeated, baddest woman mystique, her popularity was at its highest and she was getting those Hollywood roles and all that likely would have continued had she not made the monumentally stupid decision to try and go to to toe with Holly Holm. Holm was a multiple time champion boxer, it's still just a baffling decision. Admittedly some of that was on her coaching giving her stupid advice. She could probably maybe have beaten Holm if she'd stayed within her skillset and then could have left and done all the celeb stuff too; but it wasn't to be. But then coming back against Nunes when her heart clearly wasn't in it anymore was just the worst plan possible.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 10, 2022 22:07:32 GMT -5
She's a 35-year-old woman who has coasted along on her MMA career. She wouldn't even be considered among the UFC's best-ever - she was a champion when women in MMA were just starting to make an impression and before the gyms were clogged with women fighters. When the best of those started making their way to UFC, Ronda simply couldn't keep up. If she wants to be taken seriously, she needs a thorough training in _wrestling_, not sports entertainment. She is saddled with fan expectations that she can't meet because WWE, largely, can't produce top-quality talent in-house. Lesnar had the training before UFC and worked with some of pro wrestling's best workers. Ronda hasn't. If Nattie trains her, that's a good start - but I'd sooner if Bret were on hand to provide additional guidance. She basically was one of the first to ever take female MMA seriously.Props to her for that she is definitely part of MMA history for that, but thats about it really. Honestly not even sure she would crazk top 10 if compared to the best today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 22:27:31 GMT -5
She's a 35-year-old woman who has coasted along on her MMA career. She wouldn't even be considered among the UFC's best-ever - she was a champion when women in MMA were just starting to make an impression and before the gyms were clogged with women fighters. When the best of those started making their way to UFC, Ronda simply couldn't keep up. If she wants to be taken seriously, she needs a thorough training in _wrestling_, not sports entertainment. She is saddled with fan expectations that she can't meet because WWE, largely, can't produce top-quality talent in-house. Lesnar had the training before UFC and worked with some of pro wrestling's best workers. Ronda hasn't. If Nattie trains her, that's a good start - but I'd sooner if Bret were on hand to provide additional guidance. She basically was one of the first to ever take female MMA seriously.Props to her for that she is definitely part of MMA history for that, but thats about it really. Honestly not even sure she would crazk top 10 if compared to the best today. She will and should get the credit for coming in at the ground floor for womens MMA but as a fighter she is complete booty cheeks.
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 11, 2022 0:45:18 GMT -5
She's a 35-year-old woman who has coasted along on her MMA career. She wouldn't even be considered among the UFC's best-ever - she was a champion when women in MMA were just starting to make an impression and before the gyms were clogged with women fighters. When the best of those started making their way to UFC, Ronda simply couldn't keep up. If she wants to be taken seriously, she needs a thorough training in _wrestling_, not sports entertainment. She is saddled with fan expectations that she can't meet because WWE, largely, can't produce top-quality talent in-house. Lesnar had the training before UFC and worked with some of pro wrestling's best workers. Ronda hasn't. If Nattie trains her, that's a good start - but I'd sooner if Bret were on hand to provide additional guidance. She basically was one of the first to ever take female MMA seriously.Props to her for that she is definitely part of MMA history for that, but thats about it really. Honestly not even sure she would crazk top 10 if compared to the best today. She’d armbar Pena in a minute.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 11, 2022 1:25:33 GMT -5
She basically was one of the first to ever take female MMA seriously.Props to her for that she is definitely part of MMA history for that, but thats about it really. Honestly not even sure she would crazk top 10 if compared to the best today. She’d armbar Pena in a minute. Pena beat Amanda Nunes Ronda couldnt last 1 minute with Nunes. Sure I consider Pena beating Nunes an upset but still more than Ronda could do.At least pick someone that DIDNT prove she can do what Ronda didn't.
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 11, 2022 12:26:52 GMT -5
She’d armbar Pena in a minute. Pena beat Amanda Nunes Ronda couldnt last 1 minute with Nunes. Sure I consider Pena beating Nunes an upset but still more than Ronda could do.At least pick someone that DIDNT prove she can do what Ronda didn't. Pena loops one of those Bart Simpson overhands at Ronda she’s gonna catch her and throw her ASAP. Nunes always loses to the same type of fighter. Durable grapplers who can survive the first round before she gasses out. And if we’re using MMA math Ronda beat D’Alelio, Davis and Zingano in a collective minute, all of which beat Nunes.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 11, 2022 12:37:20 GMT -5
It's a case of styles making fights really. I feel like there's a little too much goin the other way that Ronda was never a good fighter. She was one dimensional certainly, but that one dimension was Olympic medal winning&you don't win 12 fights without having some skill.
It's just the 'mixed' part of mixed martial arts caught up with her where women that were skilled at multiple styles could beat her.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 12, 2022 4:12:15 GMT -5
Just so I'm up to date, we're now pretending a judo world champion and judo olympic medallist is not a good fighter?
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2022 8:34:17 GMT -5
Just so I'm up to date, we're now pretending a judo world champion and judo olympic medallist is not a good fighter? She is a good fighter, just not to the standard or willing to adapt to the current MMA world or their opponents which has some really heavy competition. In the end she was still a long-term MMA Champion and that took real work and skill but if she tried to do things a she did when she left, she would get destroyed by the current women
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 12, 2022 13:28:07 GMT -5
Yeah, y'know, I think wrestling might not be for Ronda Rousey. She doesn't seem terribly interested in trying to keep kayfabe (or, unfortunately, protecting her opponents), and you can't just get pissy at fans when they boo you. I dunno, not seeing much of a fit here aside from WWE constantly trying to make this shit work. i think rousey expected to come in and be the big badass babyface her entire run then couldn;t handle it when she got swamped by Becky's dash into superstardom with the combo of 1) people being sick of charlotte, 2) becky always being overlooked- usually in favor of charlotte, 3) becky becoming a megastar once she tapped into being "The Man" since a superconfident in herself becky was what many fans wanted and 4) ronda not being able to keep up with becky on the mic made her look foolish. all of this completely outshown ronda as a face and ronda couldn;t handle being one-upped like that. from that point the writing was on the wall for her. she'll be fine til mania because charlotte is generally uncheerable so ronda will get the face reactions she wants. but afterwards? ronda/sasha? sasha is getting cheered. ronda/bayley- sorry ronda. ronda/becky 1.5- nope, not happening. even alexa i think will get cheered assuming she'd want to face the human concussion machine again.
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Post by thehottag on Feb 12, 2022 13:42:20 GMT -5
I won't get involved in the 'Rousey could/couldn't legit beat [insert name here]' discussion, because in all honesty, it doesn't make a difference.
Ronda has name value & recognition outside WWE, but how she's portrayed inside wrestling is really the only thing that matters.
Fact is, Ronda Rousey actually did really well in her first year with the company. Having her return at the Rumble & headline Wrestlemania are not bad decisions, but it the rest of it which is puzzling. The obvious opponent is Becky Lynch, who was the only person to ever beat Ronda in WWE, & had a disputed finish. Not only that, the crowd seems eager to cheer Lynch & is split on Rousey. Having the vengeful Ronda return, win the Rumble, then take aim at beloved babyface Becky seems the easiest thing in the world.
So I don't dislike Ronda for coming in & 'taking a spot' or whatever. She is a star, & makes sense to treat her as such. What bugs me is why WWE is do desperate to have her be a triumphant hero against Charlotte when the Becky storyline is so clearly the way to go. They seem determined to jam Flair into the spotlight like Stan Lee putting Ben Grimm in the Batmobile.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 12, 2022 17:22:54 GMT -5
I'm in awe that they're going with Charlotte and Ronda instead of the big match people want to see, Ronda/Becky. I know the plan is to do that next year supposedly, but come on.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 12, 2022 17:30:38 GMT -5
Ronda has name value & recognition outside WWE, but how she's portrayed inside wrestling is really the only thing that matters. . But she really doesn't? If this was back during her baddest run on the planet and she was talking about retiring from MMA to do the WWE... then yeah you might have a point... but there's a reason like all of her movie prospects got cancelled like as soon as she lost the second time. people who are only MMA fans aren't going to tune in for Ronda as they're is going to see the same thing of Ronda got humiliated in real fighting and went into fake fighting... and the casual audience for Ronda moved on like... 6 years ago.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 12, 2022 17:37:15 GMT -5
She's also not a good actress; which is also why she can't get over as a babyface, along with the way the company books them.
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