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Post by Cyno on Feb 3, 2022 22:46:39 GMT -5
The MCU's popularity will wane eventually, but superhero movies as a genre aren't going anywhere.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 3, 2022 23:00:09 GMT -5
Serves me right for calling stupid ass super hero movies a fad. Look, they have a place. Batman, Superman, Spider-man, those are all fine for a couple movies. They’re fine for a lot of movies. So are whatever dumbass superhero you’re gonna yell at me for not mentioning. They don’t need to be all the movies.
One day we’re gonna need to have a serious conversation about the rise of superhero movies and why everything in society has gone to shit in lockstep.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 3, 2022 23:03:16 GMT -5
I went and saw Ghostbusters. I’ll probably go see Bob Burgers. After that, I suspect the next movie will be Jurassic World and then….I’ll probably never go to the movies again because I don’t think there’s a single one I have any interest in seeing. I can’t f***ing wait until this superhero fad finally dies. I miss seeing the type of movies I like, which just don't make money for anyone. Mostly stoner flicks like Pineapple Express, which would never be made again thanks to James Franco's creepiness. I love stoner movies. I assume everyone assumes I’m a stoner but once a year would be frequent for me.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 3, 2022 23:15:24 GMT -5
Star Wars movies have been shit since 1983. Emmerich hasn't made a good film since The Day After Tomorrow in 2004. I don't like Christopher Nolan and I'm only partially interested in the MCU but I'm getting bored of directors whining about them.
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Post by hassanchop on Feb 4, 2022 0:15:19 GMT -5
I remember hearing they wanted Emmerich to direct a Spider-Man movie back in the 90s but he declined
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 4, 2022 0:24:48 GMT -5
The dude who inflicted Anonymous and Stonewall on the world has no place to talk about anyone else's movies, even if Disney are pretty soulless, at least they're not that abominably bad at movie making.
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Post by eJm on Feb 4, 2022 1:01:14 GMT -5
Please… Please… I’m actually begging film writers Stop. Asking. Directors. About. Other. Blockbusters. Just stop doing it. Please. One day we’re gonna need to have a serious conversation about the rise of superhero movies and why everything in society has gone to shit in lockstep. I hope this conversation brings in a lot of external factors because frankly, a lot of the conversation is stuff we can’t talk about here without going into many parts of recent political history and stuff that was in place well before movies became a mainstream thing. Because otherwise, I could say “Man, the rise of Saturday Morning Cartoons ruined a generation of kids” and basically have the same nonsense filled approach.
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Post by schizo on Feb 4, 2022 1:09:46 GMT -5
I can’t f***ing wait until this superhero fad finally dies. A genre that makes billions of dollars practically every year is not something I’d consider a fad…so yeah, keep telling yourself that “thumbs up”
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 4, 2022 1:10:05 GMT -5
Please… Please… I’m actually begging film writers Stop. Asking. Directors. About. Other. Blockbusters. Just stop doing it. Please. One day we’re gonna need to have a serious conversation about the rise of superhero movies and why everything in society has gone to shit in lockstep. I hope this conversation brings in a lot of external factors because frankly, a lot of the conversation is stuff we can’t talk about here without going into many parts of recent political history and stuff that was in place well before movies became a mainstream thing. Because otherwise, I could say “Man, the rise of Saturday Morning Cartoons ruined a generation of kids” and basically have the same nonsense filled approach. I thought it was stated this was another "Director starts yelling about kids adn their music for no real reason" again... not a We keep asking Scorcese about Marvel so we can get clickbait articles.
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Post by eJm on Feb 4, 2022 1:13:51 GMT -5
I thought it was stated this was another "Director starts yelling about kids adn their music for no real reason" again... not a We keep asking Scorcese about Marvel so we can get clickbait articles. It might be but the issue sometimes is that we never really get an impression about who asks the question because it doesn’t really make for as good a piece. But to me it always comes off like it’s asked. And it should stop. I’m tired.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 4, 2022 1:42:17 GMT -5
As a tangentially related aside, Independence Day: Resurgence may be the one movie I'd actually say I wish was a straight remake versus a clunky belated sequel. Though even that I'm not sure because I feel the 1996 model effects still would've ended up looking better. Also, is it just me or did a bunch of movies around that time all get a discount on CGI of cities shattering and slowly being lifted into the air as their main disaster setpiece? You had that, X-Men Apocalypse, I think one of the later Transformers flicks, and I think a few I'm forgetting. There's definitely some effects in ID:R that look pretty good, and I'd argue that a lot of the CGI is actually in the upper tier of blockbuster movie effects, but none of them really stand out because of the second point you've made. The first movie still blows it out of the water though, especially for a movie made in the mid-'90s. I unironically enjoy ID:R for what it is – two hours of dumb action where I can switch my brain off – and have watched it an embarrassing amount of times, but I couldn't tell you any specifics about how London gets destroyed. The images of the White House and Empire State Building exploding are burned into my brain.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 4, 2022 2:30:22 GMT -5
I'd honestly argue the ubiquity of superheroes being more of a bigger thing in pop culture is much more a response to the realities of the world rather than any sort of causal factor---i.e. as things in life have seemed heavier and/or worse, more people have sought the sort of escapism heroic tales provide--that's always been a thing. And with superheroes especially, good usually triumphs with very little ambiguity.
People talk about say MCU movies being formulaic, and that's definitely valid, but part of that seems very much by design as it seems people are really craving that sort of thing right now almost as comfort food. Again, I'd say that's more a response to things in the real world rather than any sort of causation of themselves.
Are there more problematic elements in them? Honestly yeah, there can definitely be some arguments made about the way MCU movies particularly are pretty in lockstep with the unvarnished valorization of the military and police as one example (though American movies tend to do that regardless of genre). And the more extreme examples of audiences growing more and more attached to IPs and companies to the point of zealous loyalty is damned unsettling, but that's a huge topic that I think this particular genre is only one thread of a much larger conversation dealing with that.
Them being the biggest thing going with companies making movies out of any damn thing will fade eventually. I kind of think you're already starting to see a little bit of that--slowly but surely.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 4, 2022 3:38:55 GMT -5
Please… Please… I’m actually begging film writers Stop. Asking. Directors. About. Other. Blockbusters. Just stop doing it. Please. One day we’re gonna need to have a serious conversation about the rise of superhero movies and why everything in society has gone to shit in lockstep. I hope this conversation brings in a lot of external factors because frankly, a lot of the conversation is stuff we can’t talk about here without going into many parts of recent political history and stuff that was in place well before movies became a mainstream thing. Because otherwise, I could say “Man, the rise of Saturday Morning Cartoons ruined a generation of kids” and basically have the same nonsense filled approach. No, I do *not* want that conversation anymore. It’s dumb. Is this that “oh no, superheroes promote war! They’re too much of a power fantasy!” junk? Is that it? Do you mean those goofballs? No, I’m done acknowledging that stupid take. The superhero genre is harmless, period.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 4, 2022 3:48:32 GMT -5
Are there more problematic elements in them? Honestly yeah, there can definitely be some arguments made about the way MCU movies particularly are pretty in lockstep with the unvarnished valorization of the military and police as one example (though American movies tend to do that regardless of genre). Good. So I’m supposed to be upset about seeing authority figures depicted positively as heroes? Because I’m not. I love that about the MCU and I’m getting beyond sick of hearing people complain about that.
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Post by Flo360 on Feb 4, 2022 3:49:15 GMT -5
A reminder, this man is about to release a movie where the moon turns evil and is trying to kill the Earth. Not saying that Roland is in any position to talk here, but I'm much more interested in whatever this is going to be, than I am in seeing the same 4 characters of importance in Star Wars go on for hours about how important Star Wars was.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 4, 2022 3:56:39 GMT -5
Imagine all those movies he's complaining about stop being made.
Does everyone rush to see other movies? Or is there a cost of living crisis and pandemic that might just make people reluctant to pay for overpriced tickets (and confectionery) on an unknown quantity.
There's complaints superhero movies are the safe option but maybe that's a good thing, keep things ticking over until times are better.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2022 4:06:46 GMT -5
I'm really tired of the whole, "Superhero movies are the only movies that exist!" thing because it's just, like, completely, 100% demonstrably totally false? They might be the biggest movies right now - and even then if you look back at 2019, the last real year for the box office and all, only four of the top ten grossing movies of the year are superheroes and that's counting Joker - but other shit most certainly is made, and the lack of more mid-level projects stems more from the changing realities of theaters vs. streaming services than anything. It just feels like a completely disingenuous complaint to begin with.
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Post by Burst on Feb 4, 2022 4:28:12 GMT -5
There's definitely some effects in ID:R that look pretty good, and I'd argue that a lot of the CGI is actually in the upper tier of blockbuster movie effects, but none of them really stand out because of the second point you've made. The first movie still blows it out of the water though, especially for a movie made in the mid-'90s. I unironically enjoy ID:R for what it is – two hours of dumb action where I can switch my brain off – and have watched it an embarrassing amount of times, but I couldn't tell you any specifics about how London gets destroyed. The images of the White House and Empire State Building exploding are burned into my brain. Oh, definitely the actual CGI involved is pretty legit, but I still have no idea why they went with what they did for the actual earthbound sequences while really only using the blastwave style from the original for the moon and orbital attacks. Granted that may have been a weird unintentional consequence of it being a sequel and them possibly being reluctant to show exactly how various cities had been rebuilt in-universe, but heck, there's other cities than New York/DC/LA out there. This is total fantasy booking if you will, but if you gave me the keys to that franchise and told me to make a new movie with it, I'd kind of want to do a POV shift remake of the original invasion, whether you're keeping it in 1996 or moving it to the present, but something kind of like the various tie-in novels that came out. Thinking of how there was the veritable armada of motorhomes in the desert in the original... give me the POV of a family with a boat on Long Beach or Pelham Bay who've got enough time to escape out to sea or to Long Island Sound, and then come back to the wreckage of NYC that way. Or people with the second wave of cities that was just mentioned on-screen or in the lore. Kind of like a Cloverfield approach I suppose of your POV characters being well out of the way of the actual crisis-resolving characters and just trying to survive the flick, just... hopefully with way less shaky cam. Now THAT's an actual cinematic trend I'd like to go away forever.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 4, 2022 4:48:21 GMT -5
There's generally been at least one big superhero movie a year since what, 2000?
They're not going anywhere.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 4, 2022 6:09:04 GMT -5
There's generally been at least one big superhero movie a year since what, 2000? They're not going anywhere. If you broaden the criteria to superhero/superhero-adjacent movies of any type the last time we went an entire year without a release was 1976. While they've only been consistently big business in the last 25 years or so (and the dominant genre in the last decade) they've been popular enough to justify studios spending money to make them a lot longer than that. They'll always be around one way or another.
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