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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2022 23:46:57 GMT -5
well, there's not been a lot funny going on today but this'll do What... what are you getting at, Manik?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 25, 2022 0:40:11 GMT -5
well, there's not been a lot funny going on today but this'll do I don't think that came off the way you wanted it to Perkins lmfao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 0:47:36 GMT -5
well, there's not been a lot funny going on today but this'll do I don't think that came off the way you wanted it to Perkins lmfao No one wants you there anyway, TJ.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 25, 2022 1:16:30 GMT -5
TJP is such a loser
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 25, 2022 1:18:35 GMT -5
We're gonna get Cesaro streaming again! And Dakota's character has been looking like she'll disintegrate at any moment on NXT 2.0 from being stuck there for so long. haha. She's actually streaming on twitch right now. I'm still wondering how THAT got approved. Shayna's joined her stream a few times. 3 members of DaParty are gone, Mia was fired, Jessamyn was fired although she might be doing the digital stuff, Tegan was fired, Ember was fired, Joe is gone, Johnny's gone, and Candice might be gone soon. Woods is left with AJ, Dakota, and Shayna as the UUDD crew, and UUDD might be dead.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 25, 2022 3:46:55 GMT -5
He had a good run, but has probably done everything he can realistically do and wrestled everyone he could realistically wrestle.
Not sure I get the main event thing - he was an over midcarder who is a great wrestler in WWE, and he'll be an over midcarder who is a great wrestler in AEW.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 25, 2022 3:47:00 GMT -5
*Gets over*
"Stop doing all the things that got you over."
*stops*
"Why doesn't he connect with people?"
*Repeat ad infinitum*
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 25, 2022 4:05:17 GMT -5
... how many of those 102 were against Kofi >_> Six, but none of them were singles matches because they were both babyfaces that year. Five battle royals (including the Rumble and the Andre) and that year's Money In The Bank match. And they teamed up in tag matches twice. 2014 it seems like was when the seemingly never ending feud finally ended due to them both being faces. I'm super curious though how many times they wrestled from 2010 to 2013. It seemed like they were ALWAYS fighting during that stretch. I remember it got so ridiculous that it even carried over to the tag division with them each getting partners (Swagger for Ziggler and Bourne then R-Truth for Kofi) and continuing to be against each other all the time. What made it more annoying is the fact that there was never any kind of storyline or angle as to why they were constantly feuding and fighting each other for like three years straight. It was always pretty much just one of them has the IC or US title and the other is trying to take it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 25, 2022 4:13:41 GMT -5
I feel like every other Kofi / Dolph match has been completely supplanted in my mind by their absolutely horrendous cage match. I'm not entirely convinced that match has ended yet.
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Post by ayumidah on Feb 25, 2022 10:08:57 GMT -5
Meltzer is saying this was more WWE's decision than Cesaro's. He wasn't looking to leave, but they made an offer he didn't like, and that was that.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 25, 2022 10:14:33 GMT -5
This is where I think the stuff with the Cody deal or offering Owens tons of money isn't really going to have the power to change perception too far, if the above is the case. Letting one of your most tenured roster vets, who is still absolutely in his prime and putting in the work, go over a weak deal feels like it's creating a pretty big gap in between the main event level guys WWE values, and the midcarders who are still gonna get budget cuttered or not come to terms on deals because they're still tightening the purses up for all but like ten people.
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Post by eJm on Feb 25, 2022 10:25:54 GMT -5
Meltzer is saying this was more WWE's decision than Cesaro's. He wasn't looking to leave, but they made an offer he didn't like, and that was that. But...why, though? I keep harping on this point but for this whole NXT shakeup to work, you need vets that know the system to get those people up and adjusted compared to how they are doing on 2.0. You need your Owens, your Zayns, your Zigglers, even your Coles, your O'Reillys and Garganos because they at least can get people interested in these new guys and helping them feed through. Instead, you're letting more and more of them slide, keeping some of them and...what, hoping they'll get there on the fly by wrestling each other? Like, there are still people there but you have to have those talents to feed in. You can't expect Breakker/Reigns to be ready to go because Roman shouldn't be the guy to carry Bron to that match right away. If he doesn't want to go, reward that loyalty, jeez.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 25, 2022 10:28:43 GMT -5
Meltzer is saying this was more WWE's decision than Cesaro's. He wasn't looking to leave, but they made an offer he didn't like, and that was that. But...why, though? I keep harping on this point but for this whole NXT shakeup to work, you need vets that know the system to get those people up and adjusted compared to how they are doing on 2.0. You need your Owens, your Zayns, your Zigglers, even your Coles, your O'Reillys and Garganos because they at least can get people interested in these new guys and helping them feed through. Instead, you're letting more and more of them slide, keeping some of them and...what, hoping they'll get there on the fly by wrestling each other? Like, there are still people there but you have to have those talents to feed in. You can't expect Breakker/Reigns to be ready to go because Roman shouldn't be the guy to carry Bron to that match right away. If he doesn't want to go, reward that loyalty, jeez. Cause see if you wanna be on the roster and not be a top 5 dude then they don't care. This is like American business...hey you been here 10 years you wanna stay it's paycut time cause if not we'll replace you with someone younger and cheaper. The WWE is basically Walmart, everyone is interchangeable except a few people at the very top.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 10:29:07 GMT -5
This is where I think the stuff with the Cody deal or offering Owens tons of money isn't really going to have the power to change perception too far, if the above is the case. Letting one of your most tenured roster vets, who is still absolutely in his prime and putting in the work, go over a weak deal feels like it's creating a pretty big gap in between the main event level guys WWE values, and the midcarders who are still gonna get budget cuttered or not come to terms on deals because they're still tightening the purses up for all but like ten people. Goes back to what I was trying to say WWE only cares about that SSS tier stars and their midcard which is the literal backbone of any wrestling company is dwindling away as more are choosing to leave and soon enough wont be anything left outside of those very top guys and that is just gonna create a whole bunch of problems with how desperately protective they are of guys like Roman who never lose outside of sheer f***ery. Idk when his contract is up but I am absoloutley anticipating Finn as the next guy to leave especially after that report that supposedly Vince sees nothing in him.
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Post by eJm on Feb 25, 2022 10:31:11 GMT -5
Cause see if you wanna be on the roster and not be a top 5 dude then they don't care. This is like American business...hey you been here 10 years you wanna stay it's paycut time cause if not we'll replace you with someone younger and cheaper. The WWE is basically Walmart, everyone is interchangeable except a few people at the very top. And I can "get" that but they of all people would know how bad that can end up being? I mean, it's not my company or money and if they want to call up people who are sloppy and given crappy characters because they have square pegs to fill, what do I care? I ain't giving them money anyway.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 25, 2022 10:33:10 GMT -5
Cause see if you wanna be on the roster and not be a top 5 dude then they don't care. This is like American business...hey you been here 10 years you wanna stay it's paycut time cause if not we'll replace you with someone younger and cheaper. The WWE is basically Walmart, everyone is interchangeable except a few people at the very top. And I can "get" that but they of all people would know how bad that can end up being? I mean, it's not my company or money and if they want to call up people who are sloppy and given crappy characters because they have square pegs to fill, what do I care? I ain't giving them money anyway. They're treating an athletic endeavor like you can replace them as if they were cashiers at McDonalds...it shows you that they think it's about the brand and they can get anyone over, that or they think where they are now is where they'll always stay and these people will never stop watching so why spend extra money?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 25, 2022 10:34:53 GMT -5
This is where I think the stuff with the Cody deal or offering Owens tons of money isn't really going to have the power to change perception too far, if the above is the case. Letting one of your most tenured roster vets, who is still absolutely in his prime and putting in the work, go over a weak deal feels like it's creating a pretty big gap in between the main event level guys WWE values, and the midcarders who are still gonna get budget cuttered or not come to terms on deals because they're still tightening the purses up for all but like ten people. Goes back to what I was trying to say WWE only cares about that SSS tier stars and their midcard which is the literal backbone of any wrestling company is dwindling away as more are choosing to leave and soon enough wont be anything left outside of those very top guys and that is just gonna create a whole bunch of problems with how desperately protective they are of guys like Roman who never lose outside of sheer f***ery. Idk when his contract is up but I am absoloutley anticipating Finn as the next guy to leave especially after that report that supposedly Vince sees nothing in him. WWE had a big issue through the past decade and change where the main-event heavy booking of the Cena era kind of sapped away a lot of credible midcard attention and left them squandered, thereby unable to have people who had the juice to put over the next generation easily, an effect that snowballed since. Now, WWE is fixing it by just demolishing the concept of having a healthy midcard. It's the top guys and the goons and they have no real care for how completely self-defeating that structure will be the second they need to make a new star.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 25, 2022 11:06:04 GMT -5
well, there's not been a lot funny going on today but this'll do What... what are you getting at, Manik? Speaking of people we're surprised aren't Controlling their Narrative...
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 25, 2022 11:08:27 GMT -5
Goes back to what I was trying to say WWE only cares about that SSS tier stars and their midcard which is the literal backbone of any wrestling company is dwindling away as more are choosing to leave and soon enough wont be anything left outside of those very top guys and that is just gonna create a whole bunch of problems with how desperately protective they are of guys like Roman who never lose outside of sheer f***ery. Idk when his contract is up but I am absoloutley anticipating Finn as the next guy to leave especially after that report that supposedly Vince sees nothing in him. WWE had a big issue through the past decade and change where the main-event heavy booking of the Cena era kind of sapped away a lot of credible midcard attention and left them squandered, thereby unable to have people who had the juice to put over the next generation easily, an effect that snowballed since. Now, WWE is fixing it by just demolishing the concept of having a healthy midcard. It's the top guys and the goons and they have no real care for how completely self-defeating that structure will be the second they need to make a new star. I still feel like the nuking of the midcard all started with the Reign of Terror and HHH's constant promos about how nothing mattered but the World Title and if you weren't competing for it, why are you even in the business...
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 25, 2022 11:08:43 GMT -5
What... what are you getting at, Manik? Speaking of people we're surprised aren't Controlling their Narrative... Control Your Narrative 6: Gamers Rise Up
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