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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 6, 2022 19:01:07 GMT -5
He’s still an employee of WWE. He is being paid. I mean, the one thing that’s definitive in all this is that, legally, he absolutely is not an employee. Even with how employee rights have been ravaged in America, an average employee gets a thousand times more protection in stuff than any independent contractor in WWE does. Well ok, you’re correct. He’s not an employee. I chose the wrong word. And you’re completely right. But it’s really a different argument.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 6, 2022 19:04:08 GMT -5
He’s still an employee of WWE. He is being paid. I'm aware of that. I think he should be allowed to negotiate his next contract now since WWE has set an end date for his current contract. If my job told me I'm getting laid off at the end of this month, I am able to interview in the meantime for next job. I think this should apply to most people but especially independent contractors. It does apply to most people, unless you’ve signed a contract with a non-complete clause, which Hardy did.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 6, 2022 19:04:14 GMT -5
I mean, the one thing that’s definitive in all this is that, legally, he absolutely is not an employee. Even with how employee rights have been ravaged in America, an average employee gets a thousand times more protection in stuff than any independent contractor in WWE does. Well ok, you’re correct. He’s not an employee. I chose the wrong word. And you’re completely right. But it’s really a different argument. It is, just more because if he were an employee, we wouldn’t even be talking about release clauses because, well, people fired would just be unemployed and that’d be that.
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Post by chrom on Mar 6, 2022 19:27:22 GMT -5
I really don't understand how they are to have a case unless Jeff has shown up on an AEW show before his no complete clause expired.
Once its past he's free to go wherever he pleases.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 6, 2022 19:29:22 GMT -5
I really don't understand how they are to have a case unless Jeff has shown up on an AEW show before his no complete clause expired. Once its past he's free to go wherever he pleases. I believe it’s because the contract says you can’t negotiate/talk to another company prior to the end date.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 6, 2022 19:35:44 GMT -5
I really don't understand how they are to have a case unless Jeff has shown up on an AEW show before his no complete clause expired. Once its past he's free to go wherever he pleases. I believe it’s because the contract says you can’t negotiate/talk to another company prior to the end date. Yes. The other end of this was Punk. Who has completed his dates long before he walked out. That’s why he got “everything and more” afterwards that he mentioned in AOW. It’s the same reason any hockey, football, baseball, basketball player can’t talk to another team before his contract expires, even if he’s declared he’s going to free agency, which is a different thing, but contract tampering still applies.
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Post by cjh on Mar 6, 2022 19:47:33 GMT -5
I believe it’s because the contract says you can’t negotiate/talk to another company prior to the end date. Yes. The other end of this was Punk. Who has completed his dates long before he walked out. That’s why he got “everything and more” afterwards that he mentioned in AOW. It’s the same reason any hockey, football, baseball, basketball player can’t talk to another team before his contract expires, even if he’s declared he’s going to free agency, which is a different thing, but contract tampering still applies. If WWE contracts work like WCW's did, a limit on the number of dates the company can make you work is a perk that you must request when negotiating the deal. WCW's racial lawsuit in 2000 led to contract details being released publicly, and the lower tier guys could have been booked 365 times a year while bigger stars like Kevin Nash had caps of 180 days, sometimes even less.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 6, 2022 19:49:43 GMT -5
I guess the grey area is going to come down to Jeff talking to Matt about things and Matt talking to Tony. But Jeff being so open about it probably didn't help
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Post by Dub H on Mar 6, 2022 20:05:20 GMT -5
I know what it is. I'm saying it should be illegal. Why? Hardy signed the contract and knew what was in it. If he didn’t like it, don’t sign it. Because WWE for 20 years was a monopoly and still is the biggest game around. Kust because they can brute force a scummy contract that someone signed doesnt mean said contract should be legal. Speciallt because under the law indepedent contractors having no compete should REALLY be illegal
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 6, 2022 20:39:57 GMT -5
Why? Hardy signed the contract and knew what was in it. If he didn’t like it, don’t sign it. Because WWE for 20 years was a monopoly and still is the biggest game around. Kust because they can brute force a scummy contract that someone signed doesnt mean said contract should be legal. Speciallt because under the law indepedent contractors having no compete should REALLY be illegal What ought to be has no bearing on what is.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 6, 2022 20:43:35 GMT -5
Because WWE for 20 years was a monopoly and still is the biggest game around. Kust because they can brute force a scummy contract that someone signed doesnt mean said contract should be legal. Speciallt because under the law indepedent contractors having no compete should REALLY be illegal What ought to be has no bearing on what is. yes it has because if someone wanted to challenge the legality in court of law they can. And if WWE tries to argue the 90-Day AEW can even argue the 90-Day should be illegal and completely tear down that clause
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 6, 2022 20:45:59 GMT -5
What ought to be has no bearing on what is. yes it has because if someone wanted to challenge the legality in court of law they can. And if WWE tries to argue the 90-Day AEW can even argue the 90-Day should be illegal and completely tear down that clause Raven tried. Lesnar got rid of his ridiculous 10 year no compete, but what did that accomplish? Nothing. And if you think AEW is gonna let guys jump to WWE before their contract expires, well, deep dreaming.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 6, 2022 20:48:07 GMT -5
yes it has because if someone wanted to challenge the legality in court of law they can. And if WWE tries to argue the 90-Day AEW can even argue the 90-Day should be illegal and completely tear down that clause Raven tried. Lesnar got rid of his ridiculous 10 year no compete, but what did that accomplish? Nothing. And if you think AEW is gonna let guys jump to WWE before their contract expires, well, deep dreaming. Literally just happened with Cody, TK had a 1-year option. And yeh lesnar won, but if a bigger companeis disputes it, the implications are much bigger and sets a precedent,especially for the standard one
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 6, 2022 20:48:48 GMT -5
Raven tried. Lesnar got rid of his ridiculous 10 year no compete, but what did that accomplish? Nothing. And if you think AEW is gonna let guys jump to WWE before their contract expires, well, deep dreaming. Literally just happened with Cody, TK had a 1-year option. Cody is a free agent is not under contract to AEW.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 6, 2022 20:49:42 GMT -5
Literally just happened with Cody, TK had a 1-year option. Cody is a free agent is not under contract to AEW. TK literally had the option to hire him for one more year without his choice. Dont you get tired of moving goalposts
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 6, 2022 20:51:24 GMT -5
Cody is a free agent is not under contract to AEW. TK literally had the option to hire him for one more year without his choice. Dont you get tired of moving goalposts So his contract had a roll over clause AEW chose not to exercise. He’s a free agent and is not under contract to AEW.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 6, 2022 20:53:13 GMT -5
TK literally had the option to hire him for one more year without his choice. Dont you get tired of moving goalposts So his contract had a roll over clause AEW chose not to exercise. He’s a free agent and is not under contract to AEW. So it went from "Its legal because he signed" "Well but it doesnt matter if a signed contract can be overulled if found illegal" "well but it if happened it wouldnt matter" "TK wouldn let one of his guys leave for WWE" "Well he is a free agent now"(BTW the whole points to start with is that the 90 days shouldnt count as belonging to WWE) So I will end the discussion here since I will not argue to the next imaginary point you have
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 6, 2022 20:58:41 GMT -5
So his contract had a roll over clause AEW chose not to exercise. He’s a free agent and is not under contract to AEW. So it went from "Its legal because he signed" "Well but it doesnt matter if a signed contract can be overulled if found illegal" "well but it if happened it wouldnt matter" "TK wouldn let one of his guys leave for WWE" "Well he is a free agent now"(BTW the whole points to start with is that the 90 days shouldnt count as belonging to WWE) So I will end the discussion here since I will not argue to the next imaginary point you have Cody hasn’t left for WWE for all we know and if he did, he’s a free agent. Please understand the difference between being under contract (Jeff Hardy) and not being under contract (Cody Rhodes). If Jeff Hardy signed a contract, it’s legal. You seriously think he didn’t have a lawyer go over a contract worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? A no-compete clause is perfectly legal. If you think it shouldn’t be, that’s fine, but it is and if Jeff and AEW violated it, WWE has a case.
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Post by cjh on Mar 6, 2022 21:00:32 GMT -5
What ought to be has no bearing on what is. yes it has because if someone wanted to challenge the legality in court of law they can. And if WWE tries to argue the 90-Day AEW can even argue the 90-Day should be illegal and completely tear down that clause The 90-day no-compete is completely legal. It's 90-days notice that you're being let go. During that time, you still work for the company and still get paid. It's essentially no different than someone who is just off TV for the time being due to injury or no storyline.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 6, 2022 23:17:03 GMT -5
What ought to be has no bearing on what is. yes it has because if someone wanted to challenge the legality in court of law they can. And if WWE tries to argue the 90-Day AEW can even argue the 90-Day should be illegal and completely tear down that clause It’s not a non-compete though, it’s just notice that they are going to terminate you at the end of your agreement. He is still paid and working for the company. He could theoretically be booked for Raw tomorrow. Lesnar’s was a legitimate non-compete. Depending on the jurisdiction, non-competes are typically reviewed, when challenged, for reasonableness in both time and geography.
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