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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 7, 2022 7:30:11 GMT -5
Yeahhhh I don’t think AEW wants to use the whole “independent contractor is bullshit” line when they aren’t exactly doing things all that differently
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 7, 2022 7:31:27 GMT -5
Could the WWE take AEW to court over contract tampering? Sure. Could they win? It'd be an uphill battle, but with the right judge, anything is possible, but they'd probably regret it. This is a 'don't look behind the curtain' moment as they don't want someone with resources equal to theirs looking at having lawyers openly dissect the legality of the heavily onesided WWE contract to make a case, as the next time a talent tries to get out, they'll know where to poke holes. The most we'll see are hints to try and screw with his debut, vague legal threats they have zero intent to follow through on sent the day of the show to try and make them blink, the same ***t they did to WCW. Problem is, WWE isnt the only company that does this stuff. So if someone tried to look too closely at WWE's independent contracts, many other companies will start making donations to the legal team to make sure they get the right outcome, so there isnt a jurisprudence set that might impact on them. AEW likely wont really want that themselves, even if they operate differently. If this goes anywhere legal, it gets settled quickly and quietly. The WWE are a cash rich, billion dollar company, outside money wouldn't make a bit of difference to their legal defence so wouldn't be coming. They're not some mom and pop shop being used as a proxy to attack all regulation, they already have the best lawyers money can buy so there's not much more money can buy on that front. It's more likely that outside money would be used to pressure both sides to settle quietly. The WWE have folded repeatedly when big name talent lawyered up, there wasn't some big gamechanging rush of cash to save them and help them fight to the bitter end against Brock. Push comes to shove, far richer people would tell them to settle, and they would.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 7, 2022 9:20:14 GMT -5
I'm sure WWE still does this in the present day when they feel like they can get away with it. I'm sure it's juuuust a coincidence that Killer Kross was completely confident he could immediately turn around to joining with WWE soon as he was out of Impact, with zero qualms about burning that bridge, and then after he did get his release just over a month later WWE made a big show out of announcing him having signed at some point.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2022 9:46:54 GMT -5
Yeahhhh I don’t think AEW wants to use the whole “independent contractor is bullshit” line when they aren’t exactly doing things all that differently Well, at least you can work elsewhere in AEW. Brian Cage is working indies right now. Mustafa Ali is sitting at home doing nothing.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 7, 2022 9:50:00 GMT -5
I feel like this stuff happens more than we think and this is probably just speculation at best. I don't think either company wants to get into discussions about who they're talking to and when.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2022 9:54:45 GMT -5
I feel like this stuff happens more than we think and this is probably just speculation at best. I don't think either company wants to get into discussions about who they're talking to and when. WWE did it a bunch with ROH until Sinclair stepped in and threatened to sue.
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Post by eJm on Mar 7, 2022 9:56:20 GMT -5
I feel like this stuff happens more than we think and this is probably just speculation at best. I don't think either company wants to get into discussions about who they're talking to and when. WWE did it a bunch with ROH until Sinclair stepped in and threatened to sue. It also happened with TNA which was how we got the Flair/Christian Cage exchange.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 7, 2022 10:07:23 GMT -5
Yeahhhh I don’t think AEW wants to use the whole “independent contractor is bullshit” line when they aren’t exactly doing things all that differently Well, at least you can work elsewhere in AEW. Brian Cage is working indies right now. Mustafa Ali is sitting at home doing nothing. Britt Baker is working as a dentist, Joey Janella keeps on working GCW, guys and girls get to work indies with their AEW gimmicks or do real world jobs, keep their twitch streams, instagram endorsements, wrestling schools, podcasts and so on, the only caveats seem to be they don't want them to take gigs that would harm the company's reputation and that they need to be free for AEW events, but even that seems negotiable with management.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 7, 2022 11:12:48 GMT -5
Jeff's clarification was that "he was setting a goal" which is complete and utter bullshit. No one says "I'm going to that other company" as a goal, especially within the context of the interview. If he said "I misspoke and meant to say I'm hopefully going to AEW" then maybe he'd be easier to believe. Oh, I know what he really meant, Jeff knows what he meant, absolutely everyone knew what he meant. But remember, we're not discussing right or wrong, truth or lie, it's apparently down to what's legal or not. And I don't know how WWE would necessarily be able to prove it. If they actually filed a lawsuit against Jeff and AEW, they’d be able to get discovery. They’d probably request Jeff’s emails and phone records, Tony Khan and all other AEW management‘s emails and phone records. They’d be able to depose Jeff, Matt, Khan and other decision makers and ask them under oath whether discussions took place during a period that it would have been illegal, etc etc
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 7, 2022 11:15:15 GMT -5
He's being fired by WWE a few days from now. In December, WWE informed him was going to being fired in 90 days. No, he got fired and couldnt compete elsewhere for 90 days. Looking for your next job is not competing. Again, does anyone know if someone isn't allowed to look for their next job while waiting for their non-compete to expire? I have constantly seen released wrestles announce upcoming dates before their non competes expire. It’s not a non-compete, it’s a 90 day notice period of when you are going to be terminated. WWE is paying him until this Wednesday and theoretically could have been booking him this whole time. Think of the negotiations aspect of it more like real sports, where athletes aren’t supposed to negotiate with other teams even when their contracts are about to expire, and it’s considered tampering if they do.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 7, 2022 11:48:41 GMT -5
No, he got fired and couldnt compete elsewhere for 90 days. Looking for your next job is not competing. Again, does anyone know if someone isn't allowed to look for their next job while waiting for their non-compete to expire? I have constantly seen released wrestles announce upcoming dates before their non competes expire. It’s not a non-compete, it’s a 90 day notice period of when you are going to be terminated. WWE is paying him until this Wednesday and theoretically could have been booking him this whole time. Think of the negotiations aspect of it more like real sports, where athletes aren’t supposed to negotiate with other teams even when their contracts are about to expire, and it’s considered tampering if they do. WWE is legally in the right here. But they may be opening up a can of worms they really dont want to. I imagine most released talent talk and even negotiate during their 90 days and WWE turns a blind eye to it. But in this case WWE f***ed up and let a talent go that they really want back. So they pull this spiteful bullshit. Which could turn off a lot of talent in the future. Not only can you be released at any time for any reason but now you cant even line up a place to work for 90 days after they give you notice? Just another reason not to sign with the E.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 7, 2022 11:55:36 GMT -5
It’s not a non-compete, it’s a 90 day notice period of when you are going to be terminated. WWE is paying him until this Wednesday and theoretically could have been booking him this whole time. Think of the negotiations aspect of it more like real sports, where athletes aren’t supposed to negotiate with other teams even when their contracts are about to expire, and it’s considered tampering if they do. WWE is legally in the right here. But they may be opening up a can of worms they really dont want to. I imagine most released talent talk and even negotiate during their 90 days and WWE turns a blind eye to it. But in this case WWE f***ed up and let a talent go that they really want back. So they pull this spiteful bullshit. Which could turn off a lot of talent in the future. Not only can you be released at any time for any reason but now you cant even line up a place to work for 90 days after they give you notice? Just another reason not to sign with the E. [br Oh yeah, it’s definitely petty to be upset if he talked to AEW a week before the expiration. I think we should also keep in mind this was just speculation by Meltzer, not reporting that WWE is actually looking into this.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 7, 2022 12:21:04 GMT -5
This whole Hardy thing is still bizarre. Like am I wrong for thinking WwE didn’t do anything wrong In this case at all? A known user strangely walks out of a match into the crowd, what would you think? I could be reaching but I think Jeff was looking to get fired. He hasn’t exactly been subtle about his intentions.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 7, 2022 12:23:47 GMT -5
I suspect this doesn't really go anywhere. If WWE is trying to cut costs and pump profits, which is their primary goal the past few years, you don't do that by incurring legal fees, especially not against someone who isn't afraid to go to court with you. It does make me think of Big Show on Austin's podcast joking that of course he never talked to WWF before his WCW contract expired, as that would be illegal, in a way that made it very clear that 100 percent happened. This probably happened more back when WWF was sloppier about legalities, leading to stuff like the World Wildlife Fund lawsuit, I doubt it happens much these days, but I do think people probably break these rules a fair bit from time to time. Jericho completely illegally met with Vince to negotiate before he jumped to WWE, he goes into great detail about it in his first book.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 7, 2022 12:23:54 GMT -5
This whole Hardy thing is still bizarre. Like am I wrong for thinking WwE didn’t do anything wrong In this case at all? A known user strangely walks out of a match into the crowd, what would you think? I could be reaching but I think Jeff was looking to get fired. He hasn’t exactly been subtle about his intentions. They didnt wait for the results of a drug test before insisting Hardy go to rehab and firing him when he refused.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2022 12:26:34 GMT -5
This whole Hardy thing is still bizarre. Like am I wrong for thinking WwE didn’t do anything wrong In this case at all? A known user strangely walks out of a match into the crowd, what would you think? I could be reaching but I think Jeff was looking to get fired. He hasn’t exactly been subtle about his intentions. I mean they themselves thought they made a mistake given they tried to bring him back.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 7, 2022 12:26:55 GMT -5
This whole Hardy thing is still bizarre. Like am I wrong for thinking WwE didn’t do anything wrong In this case at all? A known user strangely walks out of a match into the crowd, what would you think? I could be reaching but I think Jeff was looking to get fired. He hasn’t exactly been subtle about his intentions. They didnt wait for the results of a drug test before insisting Hardy go to rehab and firing him when he refused. I mean sure it was knee jerk, but unfortunately understandable with his past. (I do feel guilty for saying that.)
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 7, 2022 12:31:00 GMT -5
They didnt wait for the results of a drug test before insisting Hardy go to rehab and firing him when he refused. I mean sure it was knee jerk, but unfortunately understandable with his past. (I do feel guilty for saying that.) It is understandable. And they should have sent him home until the results came back. But they chose to fire him without the facts. And now they want him back and to screw him over because he does not want to come back. Petty little bitches.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 7, 2022 12:41:47 GMT -5
This whole Hardy thing is still bizarre. Like am I wrong for thinking WwE didn’t do anything wrong In this case at all? A known user strangely walks out of a match into the crowd, what would you think? I could be reaching but I think Jeff was looking to get fired. He hasn’t exactly been subtle about his intentions. I mean they themselves thought they made a mistake given they tried to bring him back. And can't forget about that hall of Fame induction!
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 7, 2022 12:43:57 GMT -5
I mean they themselves thought they made a mistake given they tried to bring him back. And can't forget about that hall of Fame induction! Which may very well have won him over to coming back if they had inducted Matt, too, given Jeff said he wasn't interested in going in without him, as a team, at least for an initial induction, which, yeah. They are cartoonishly qualified as a unit.
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