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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Mar 17, 2022 0:48:33 GMT -5
Royal Rumble Match, 2011: WWE trying to recreate the mid-match staredown between Hogan and Warrior with Cena and Orton in front of a crowd that could not have given less of a shit. They wanted this big, epic Rumble moment, and what resulted was something that I can't even call a wet fart. It was more like a fart you try to push out but can't, so you just shrug it off and go on with your day.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 17, 2022 0:50:06 GMT -5
Royal Rumble Match, 2011: WWE trying to recreate the mid-match staredown between Hogan and Warrior with Cena and Orton in front of a crowd that could not have given less of a shit. They wanted this big, epic Rumble moment, and what resulted was something that I can't even call a wet fart. It was more like a fart you try to push out but can't, so you just shrug it off and go on with your day. then later there was like a Cena/Kofi staredown that got like 20 times the response.
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Post by eJm on Mar 17, 2022 0:55:10 GMT -5
Royal Rumble Match, 2011: WWE trying to recreate the mid-match staredown between Hogan and Warrior with Cena and Orton in front of a crowd that could not have given less of a shit. They wanted this big, epic Rumble moment, and what resulted was something that I can't even call a wet fart. It was more like a fart you try to push out but can't, so you just shrug it off and go on with your day. then later there was like a Cena/Kofi staredown that got like 20 times the response. Yeah, that was crazy in hindsight considering, what, the one time they properly faced off before then was the infamous triple threat match the year prior?
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Post by thehottag on Mar 17, 2022 2:08:13 GMT -5
Most of these mentioned have been from 'modern' WWE (2010 onwards), which is unsurprising. They seem to have forgotten that what makes a moment 'big' is that it's the culmination of a fued, a significant victory within a fued, or marks a change in a character or storyline. Now we just have 'moments' that don't change the status quo, which means they have no impact.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 17, 2022 2:44:14 GMT -5
Pretty much everything Raw 25 was stuff that was supposed to be memorable that ended up not being memorable at all, or stuff that went so wrong that you couldn't forget.
The only reason anyone remembers the bit with Balor Club and The Extended Kliq was because Cash Wheeler brought it up recently, and because it was one of Scott Hall's last appearances on TV. Austin's bit with Vince at the start of the show was even less memorable in spite of being a hot start to an otherwise dismal show. But we all remember how underutilized the Manhattan Center was throughout the show, while they shoved in really short 205 Live matches during commercial breaks as the fans who paid good money for the throwback experience got completely hosed. Some might have reviled in the hubris that a lot of the annoying superfans were there, but even then, that's only a small fraction of the people who were there. And that's not even getting into how Enzo Amore self-destructed behind the scenes as the allegations of sexual misconduct (that are mostly believed to be false these days) led to him parting ways with the company, relinquishing the Cruiserweight title and derailing several storylines in the process.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 17, 2022 2:50:51 GMT -5
Rhea Ripley has already won a main roster women’s singles title at WrestleMania. Last year. Her career has arguably already hit the mountaintop, other than her not doing it in the main event. You’d never know it looking at how people talk about her, but I guess that’s how it is for anyone who wins the gold and doesn’t squash (not just beat, SQUASH) Charlotte and Becky in the process of winning it or while defending it. Well that's what happens when the end game is just being another body at the alter of Charlotte and then spending the next eight months being thrown into random make shift tag teams. There was no reason why Charlotte needed to win that feud. At all.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 17, 2022 3:47:29 GMT -5
Rhea Ripley has already won a main roster women’s singles title at WrestleMania. Last year. Her career has arguably already hit the mountaintop, other than her not doing it in the main event. You’d never know it looking at how people talk about her, but I guess that’s how it is for anyone who wins the gold and doesn’t squash (not just beat, SQUASH) Charlotte and Becky in the process of winning it or while defending it. Well that's what happens when the end game is just being another body at the alter of Charlotte and then spending the next eight months being thrown into random make shift tag teams. There was no reason why Charlotte needed to win that feud. At all. Yeah, Rhea has no pinfall victories over Charlotte. She's gotten a win by disqualification, but she hasn't defeated Charlotte. It's always Charlotte coming out on top, usually by making Rhea tap.
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Post by spagett on Mar 17, 2022 3:51:55 GMT -5
Royal Rumble Match, 2011: WWE trying to recreate the mid-match staredown between Hogan and Warrior with Cena and Orton in front of a crowd that could not have given less of a shit. They wanted this big, epic Rumble moment, and what resulted was something that I can't even call a wet fart. It was more like a fart you try to push out but can't, so you just shrug it off and go on with your day. The really great thing about it too was that they did the staredown, nobody gave a shit and it was met with silence. Then you just know backstage Vince and his cronies were confused why there was silence and they must have thought the crowd didn't understand what was happening, maybe they missed it. So about 5 minutes later they did another Cena/Orton staredown. To utter silence again.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 17, 2022 4:13:02 GMT -5
Well that's what happens when the end game is just being another body at the alter of Charlotte and then spending the next eight months being thrown into random make shift tag teams. There was no reason why Charlotte needed to win that feud. At all. Yeah, Rhea has no pinfall victories over Charlotte. She's gotten a win by disqualification, but she hasn't defeated Charlotte. It's always Charlotte coming out on top, usually by making Rhea tap. It would be one thing if it actually leads to a storyline about it with Charlotte rubbing it her face how she's never beat her and can't beat her but then Rhea does. However we all know that isn't going to be the case. Like from a business standpoint I can't make any sense of it. It's like you have one girl in her mid 20's who has everything to be a big star and you need stars but instead you have her lose at every turn to the girl who is a decade older and has accomplished everything there is to be accomplished and really isn't that over despite all of her accomplishments and gains absolutely nothing from beating the younger girl. It's just very hard to wrap your head around. I think Charlotte is a good wrestler and I'm sure she's probably a nice person but I've just never got their obsession with her. Like you would think she's more over then Stone Cold, The Rock, and Hulk Hogan put together with how they book her. It's so bizarre.
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Post by Nosnorb on Mar 17, 2022 4:40:48 GMT -5
Big E winning the WWE Title. Probably because he was a face and it was a bitch cash-in.
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Post by msc on Mar 17, 2022 4:41:43 GMT -5
Rhea got treated much worse than Bianca. That 15 second match was bad, yes, but its been utterly retconned as Bianca letting her guard down once in a year and it costing her massive. Otherwise, she's the most protected woman on the roster and about to get her belt back.
Rhea jobbed her NXT title clean to Charlotte, then worked her way to the main roster, stole the show in a Rumble match, won the belt at Mania off Asuka (who is also missing a big feel good Mania moment), then a mere 2 months into her run, Charlotte showed up, ran her down on the mic, then jobbed her out cleanly on PPV. At which point, her jobber mate Nikki Cross (Nikki's great, their treatment of her hurts and all) feuded briefly with Charlotte before getting killed, and Rhea found herself in a floundering tag team. Beyond the Rumble match in which she was also called to keep it running, and the Chamber build up when she was nearly the number one fan favourite with the crowds to win, she has been treated as a complete and utter afterthought.
One story is Becky got lucky and is shit scared of comeuppance. The other is Rhea is inferior. End of story.
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Post by msc on Mar 17, 2022 4:46:07 GMT -5
then later there was like a Cena/Kofi staredown that got like 20 times the response. Yeah, that was crazy in hindsight considering, what, the one time they properly faced off before then was the infamous triple threat match the year prior? It was hilarious too, because that Rumble crowd was clearly happy to be there. They went mad for Punk and Bryan, they gave Regal a big pop (which warmed my old heart), they reacted like Yoshi and Chavo and Zack Ryder were relevant at the time. They popped for a Mason Ryan/Booker T showdown! They popped for Hornswoggle teaming up with Cena. They sort of laughed when Sheamus kicked Hornswoggle in the face. They lost their shit for Diesel and Booker T. They reacted to every face off set up from Bryan/Punk to Santino/Del Rio. They were quiet during the lull periods, and when JTG showed up, but for the most, when something happened, they were having fun. Except when Orton and Cena had a staredown. Then we had crickets. And seconds later, Cena was facing, iirc, Zeke or someone like that and got more of a reaction.
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Post by msc on Mar 17, 2022 4:47:58 GMT -5
WWE brought in boxing's undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and he ended up having a very forgettable match in Saudi Arabia and we all just moved on with our life. Hang on, what was this?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 17, 2022 4:50:24 GMT -5
WWE brought in boxing's undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and he ended up having a very forgettable match in Saudi Arabia and we all just moved on with our life. Hang on, what was this? Tyson Fury v Braun Strowman like two and a half years ago.
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Post by eJm on Mar 17, 2022 4:52:01 GMT -5
WWE brought in boxing's undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and he ended up having a very forgettable match in Saudi Arabia and we all just moved on with our life. Hang on, what was this? When Tyson Fury faced Braun Strowman to a countout win for Fury. This was the same show was Velasquez/Lesnar.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 17, 2022 4:53:22 GMT -5
When Tyson Fury faced Braun Strowman to a countout win for Fury. This was the same show was Velasquez/Lesnar. Maybe Strowman should've squashed Kingston for the belt in one move, then everybody would remember the match with Fury.
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Post by eJm on Mar 17, 2022 4:55:38 GMT -5
When Tyson Fury faced Braun Strowman to a countout win for Fury. This was the same show was Velasquez/Lesnar. Maybe Strowman should've squashed Kingston for the belt in one move, then everybody would remember the match with Fury. Nah, Fury would need to have a history for Braun to make that make “sense” to do that with and looking at Tyson Fury, wouldn’t have thought he was a bodybuilder in another life.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 17, 2022 5:40:03 GMT -5
Rhea Ripley has already won a main roster women’s singles title at WrestleMania. Last year. Her career has arguably already hit the mountaintop, other than her not doing it in the main event. You’d never know it looking at how people talk about her, but I guess that’s how it is for anyone who wins the gold and doesn’t squash (not just beat, SQUASH) Charlotte and Becky in the process of winning it or while defending it. I think the thing there is that Rhea winning at WM 37 wasn't the plan and that made it less of a moment. There wasn't much build to it because it only happened due to various events in the Raw women's division at the time, from Lacey's pregnancy to Asuka's injury to Charlotte's COVID and pregnancy scare. Rather than being a night-after-Mania debut like she likely would have been, instead she got rushed into a title match which had no story beyond 'Charlotte's not here so I want a match'. Her entire singles reign then being before crowds came back was another difficulty, but she's done well to become more popular, usually get protected booking (if you look at losses where she's taken the fall, there's usually something extenuating like her being in the match a long time or it taking multiple women to take her down--even Charlotte at MITB had Charlotte playing possum and then smashing Rhea's leg into the stairs) and have people wanting her to get that true rocket push.
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Post by msc on Mar 17, 2022 6:03:21 GMT -5
When Tyson Fury faced Braun Strowman to a countout win for Fury. This was the same show was Velasquez/Lesnar. Tyson Fury v Braun Strowman like two and a half years ago. Thanks. I know I don't watch the Saudi Arabia shows, but I have no memory of this at all.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Mar 17, 2022 6:21:15 GMT -5
Any time they did the ring collapsing after a Superplex spot after Brock and Big Show did it..
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