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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 21:18:49 GMT -5
From Fightful. Basically, WWE wanted to make the group more "supernatural" and Edge was against it: A big shift in the WWE roster was made with Finn Balor joining Judgment Day, and Edge being booted out. We can confirm PWInsider's report that Edge has been moved back to the babyface side of the internal depth chart as of Tuesday. For those that are asking if the move was reactionary to Cody Rhodes' injury, we're still working to confirm that, but it seems more reactionary to the direction that WWE wanted to take Judgment Day. We're told that WWE had mentioned taking Judgment Day a "supernatural" route, which Edge was said to have been opposed to. Word started to emerge in the afternoon hours ahead of WWE Raw that a big shift involving Finn Balor and Edge was set to happen. Although that was firmly set on Monday, the pitch to have Balor as a member of Judgment Day came well before that. Fightful sources had indicated to us the week prior that Balor was set to turn heel and join the group days before Hell in a Cell. However, there was no mention at that point of Edge leaving the group. I think it was pretty obvious from the beginning that Edge and Vince weren't on the same page here.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 7, 2022 21:51:55 GMT -5
I could honestly see Edge's side on this, as he hasn't really been a supernatural guy since The Brood.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 7, 2022 22:05:14 GMT -5
I could honestly see Edge's side on this, as he hasn't really been a supernatural guy since The Brood. Yeah but... like take the vaguely supernatural stuff away from Judgment Day and their promos were just generic my first heel stuff... so what was Edge actually pitching for? More supernatural's at least something more substantive than, "Goths who are very opinionated about sports." Yeah, that was kind've my muddled point as well... at least Supernatural is something rather than... we are spooky and vague... but also how bout those Cubs? am I right?
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jun 7, 2022 22:51:12 GMT -5
The implication that the sports stuff was Edge's idea made my day.
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Post by Nosnorb on Jun 7, 2022 23:02:23 GMT -5
I could honestly see Edge's side on this, as he hasn't really been a supernatural guy since The Brood. Yeah but... like take the vaguely supernatural stuff away from Judgment Day and their promos were just generic my first heel stuff... so what was Edge actually pitching for? I would never have thought that Edge didn't want to become a Castlevania villain from watching his performances over the past few months, dude seemed to be having fun with it.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 7, 2022 23:03:42 GMT -5
Now I have to update my "Edge had a notebook full of gothic evil guy character ideas that got filtered through modern WWE" to "Edge had a notebook full of gothic evil guy that hates local sports team character ideas that got filtered through modern WWE"
Maybe Edge wanted this to be his SRS Jericho reinvention and Vince was like "what if you did magic?"
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 8, 2022 0:03:35 GMT -5
So Judgement Day beat Fake Bullet Club at the PPV with Edge pinning Balor for the win. So Rhea and Damien turn on Edge and replaces him with Balor. Yeah that makes perfect sense. Like all you had to do was switch the result of the PPV match with Balor pinning Edge but of course they have to make into a total nonsensical mess instead. Unless Edge played hard ball and refused to job I don't know how you can condone this booking decision at all. Even then you can't defend it as you could've just had Finn pinned Damien instead which would've caused a rift between Edge and Damien which would've then set the wheels in motion for Edge to get back stabbed.
I actually was starting to watch Raw for the first time in months but then turned it off after the Rollins swerve and decided to watch a movie instead. Looked at the results and between this nonsense and Becky losing to freaking Dana Brooke in a 24/7 title match I'm glad I decided not to continue not watching it. WWE sans NXT is just so freaking bad. For the life of me I can not wrap my head around pretty much any decision they make. It's a total joke.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 8, 2022 4:54:03 GMT -5
So Judgement Day beat Fake Bullet Club at the PPV with Edge pinning Balor for the win. So Rhea and Damien turn on Edge and replaces him with Balor. Yeah that makes perfect sense. Like all you had to do was switch the result of the PPV match with Balor pinning Edge but of course they have to make into a total nonsensical mess instead. Unless Edge played hard ball and refused to job I don't know how you can condone this booking decision at all. Even then you can't defend it as you could've just had Finn pinned Damien instead which would've caused a rift between Edge and Damien which would've then set the wheels in motion for Edge to get back stabbed. I actually was starting to watch Raw for the first time in months but then turned it off after the Rollins swerve and decided to watch a movie instead. Looked at the results and between this nonsense and Becky losing to freaking Dana Brooke in a 24/7 title match I'm glad I decided not to continue not watching it. WWE sans NXT is just so freaking bad. For the life of me I can not wrap my head around pretty much any decision they make. It's a total joke. I think both of those are good examples of how wrestling is about stories rather than purely wins/losses. Edge got the pin for three straight PPVs, but all three had moments where he was about to be beat except for Damien (Mania) and Rhea (Backlash/HIAC) saving him. Indeed, they even nodded to the HIAC ending (Rhea protects Edge from a Coup De Grace) by having her hold Edge in place to get hit this time. As for Becky/Dana, it was clearly meant to be about Asuka trolling Becky and Becky’s anger at not having a title, rather than just Dana winning. She repeatedly interfered, and Becky only made it a 24/7 title match out of frustration at Dana winning the title mid-match. So if you look at them through a story lens, they’re not egregious.
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Post by eJm on Jun 8, 2022 4:56:32 GMT -5
My only problem with these interpretations of the story from people is that you and I absolutely know that's not the story they're going to tell.
They're going to say something like "Finn looked pretty, Edge looked old, we decided to switch" and that's it. If they actually reference what people are talking about, it'll be the most deep storyline in years.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jun 8, 2022 6:33:25 GMT -5
The implication that the sports stuff was Edge's idea made my day. I think leaning as far as possible into both at once could have been fun. "We have communed with Beelzebub, he has revealed the dark secrets of his ancient wisdom to us, and proclaims THE MILWAUKEE BUCKS? MORE LIKE THE MILWAUKEE SUCKS"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 7:43:52 GMT -5
So Judgement Day beat Fake Bullet Club at the PPV with Edge pinning Balor for the win. So Rhea and Damien turn on Edge and replaces him with Balor. Yeah that makes perfect sense. Like all you had to do was switch the result of the PPV match with Balor pinning Edge but of course they have to make into a total nonsensical mess instead. Unless Edge played hard ball and refused to job I don't know how you can condone this booking decision at all. Even then you can't defend it as you could've just had Finn pinned Damien instead which would've caused a rift between Edge and Damien which would've then set the wheels in motion for Edge to get back stabbed. I actually was starting to watch Raw for the first time in months but then turned it off after the Rollins swerve and decided to watch a movie instead. Looked at the results and between this nonsense and Becky losing to freaking Dana Brooke in a 24/7 title match I'm glad I decided not to continue not watching it. WWE sans NXT is just so freaking bad. For the life of me I can not wrap my head around pretty much any decision they make. It's a total joke. What movie did you watch?
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jun 8, 2022 7:51:17 GMT -5
So Judgement Day beat Fake Bullet Club at the PPV with Edge pinning Balor for the win. I like to call them Airsoft Club.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 8, 2022 7:51:23 GMT -5
at least Supernatural is something rather than... we are spooky and vague... Somewhere, Bray Wyatt's ears just perked up Wait...... He's coming back for this, isn't he?
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 8, 2022 8:29:17 GMT -5
at least Supernatural is something rather than... we are spooky and vague... Somewhere, Bray Wyatt's ears just perked up Wait...... He's coming back for this, isn't he? Dear Jesus, I hope not. The new Judgment Day looks like something capable of destroying shit now. WWE can't be serious about turning Edge babyface after this; he created this monster and needs to atone for it, or suffer deeply for it, before he can regain fan trust here. This isn't a narrative WWE can fully control at this point; it would take some seriously heelish stuff by Judgment Day to make them fully heel in this story. Rhea and Damian are fully justified in dumping Edge - they were guided down a garden path only to find the shackles of servitude to a lame-ass cheap-heat leader at the end. Instead, they found in Finn an ally with enormous potential, and with a deeper understanding of their desires and how to achieve them. He will be seen as the leader, but only in the way that Dean Ambrose was seen as the leader of the Shield - through our perception of the dynamic, not the reality. Throwing Bray Wyatt into this mix, while tempting, would not serve them or any angle with them well. Wyatt's a supposedly supernatural heel, but there was always the hint that it was all a fakery - that only his charisma carried the day (outside the Fiend angle, but we probably shouldn't bring that up.) He would be, _at best_ surplus to requirements, especially considering one member had largely had Wyatt's number before. We can anticipate an expansion in the faction, but there's no room in there for Wyatt.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 8, 2022 8:37:09 GMT -5
If I was Edge I'd be happy. Damien as been accumulating "lame stink" at an ever increasing pace. Being in a group with him by default puts you in a worse position, especially if you are of the caliber of Edge.
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Post by eJm on Jun 8, 2022 8:46:33 GMT -5
Honestly, a gimmick that's best of both worlds would be awesome.
Vampire goths that hate your local sports team.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 8, 2022 8:56:32 GMT -5
My only problem with these interpretations of the story from people is that you and I absolutely know that's not the story they're going to tell. They're going to say something like "Finn looked pretty, Edge looked old, we decided to switch" and that's it. If they actually reference what people are talking about, it'll be the most deep storyline in years. They’re usually pretty good at spelling out intentions in promos after the fact. I can see Edge being old brought up, but I imagine they will reference that they think he was using them and needed their help to win.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 8, 2022 10:51:02 GMT -5
My only problem with these interpretations of the story from people is that you and I absolutely know that's not the story they're going to tell. They're going to say something like "Finn looked pretty, Edge looked old, we decided to switch" and that's it. If they actually reference what people are talking about, it'll be the most deep storyline in years. They’re usually pretty good at spelling out intentions in promos after the fact. I can see Edge being old brought up, but I imagine they will reference that they think he was using them and needed their help to win. They also hinted pretty strongly at it in the promo prior to Finn coming out. It's not coincidence that Rhea's opening line was "Control is an illusion", spoken while directly looking at Edge.
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Post by eJm on Jun 8, 2022 11:30:52 GMT -5
Eh, from my experience, a lot of it is headcanon stuff that is nowhere near the final product because it’s never that deep. Happy to be wrong, though but that’s what I notice.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 8, 2022 11:42:09 GMT -5
So Judgement Day beat Fake Bullet Club at the PPV with Edge pinning Balor for the win. So Rhea and Damien turn on Edge and replaces him with Balor. Yeah that makes perfect sense. Like all you had to do was switch the result of the PPV match with Balor pinning Edge but of course they have to make into a total nonsensical mess instead. Unless Edge played hard ball and refused to job I don't know how you can condone this booking decision at all. Even then you can't defend it as you could've just had Finn pinned Damien instead which would've caused a rift between Edge and Damien which would've then set the wheels in motion for Edge to get back stabbed. I actually was starting to watch Raw for the first time in months but then turned it off after the Rollins swerve and decided to watch a movie instead. Looked at the results and between this nonsense and Becky losing to freaking Dana Brooke in a 24/7 title match I'm glad I decided not to continue not watching it. WWE sans NXT is just so freaking bad. For the life of me I can not wrap my head around pretty much any decision they make. It's a total joke. I think both of those are good examples of how wrestling is about stories rather than purely wins/losses. Edge got the pin for three straight PPVs, but all three had moments where he was about to be beat except for Damien (Mania) and Rhea (Backlash/HIAC) saving him. Indeed, they even nodded to the HIAC ending (Rhea protects Edge from a Coup De Grace) by having her hold Edge in place to get hit this time. Balor was also the person who beat Priest a few months ago to end his long US title reign so he knows how good he is just like Rhea does after she stood there and watched as Balor was about to beat Edge on Sunday. The second someone turns heel in WWE their kayfabe power levels usually go way down. The same Edge who won the Royal Rumble from number 1 last year, was about to win the main event of Wrestlemania until the Usos got involved and won that great trilogy with Rollins turns and suddenly he can’t win clean to save his life and is on the verge of losing every match until his minions helped him. Ripley is one of the exceptions, the heel turn has actually made her seem more credible and that should be the case with Balor too. He was a complete midcarder for most of the past year and not a particularly important one. Monday was the hottest he’s felt though since the Roman match which had that terrible finish and basically killed him as a potential main event face.
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