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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jun 14, 2022 11:56:20 GMT -5
Shooting Star Press. Even the smoothest SSP looks more awkward and less impactful than an average moonsault or senton bomb, let alone a BME or a Swanton. I guess it's supposed to add torque, but it feels to me like that momentum is going in the wrong direction. Now a standing SSP I am ok with as its faster to perform and that movement could potentially be disorenting to the opponent so they aren't set to defend it. I'm OK with it, but not as a finish. EDIT: This may not be possible, but does anyone do a standing 450?
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Post by fg on Jun 14, 2022 11:59:10 GMT -5
I think we are supposed to believe the guy is supposedly in so much pain that he can’t move. But they are walking with him. Ok. You got me. I forgot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2022 13:20:32 GMT -5
619 (the setup as opposed to the hurricanranna or splash) I mean it's ok when he hurricanranna's them into position, and I guess the drop kick to the knee is OK, but they don't always set it up that way. I wouldn't mind if he used it to kick somneone in the back or stomach on occasion. I just get tired of the "I somehow got draped on the ropes" setup. Yes it makes me think of other videos I have seen where people seemingly get stuck for no reason and I do not like the idea of Rey invading/merging with those lol
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jun 14, 2022 13:30:34 GMT -5
But they are walking with him. Ok. You got me. I forgot. He has wrist control of a twisted arm
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Jun 14, 2022 13:31:22 GMT -5
Dumbest moves in wrestling Giving Sunny and Jeff Hardy vehicles to drive in...
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Jun 14, 2022 13:33:45 GMT -5
The People's Elbow.
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Post by havokshofc on Jun 14, 2022 15:14:36 GMT -5
Lethal Injection-A fancy handspring into the ropes just to rebound into a cutter, and requires the opponent to cooperate by standing in the middle of the ring. Rebound Lariat-Ducking out of the ropes isn't going to add more impact to the move. I'm glad Moxley stopped doing it, but Kyle O'Reilly still does. I mean if your setting up a rebound Lariat sure but normally it’s just a counter so to me it seems less about being impactful and more about just hitting back.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 14, 2022 15:39:33 GMT -5
Dumbest moves in wrestling Giving Sunny and Jeff Hardy vehicles to drive in... Jey Uso has the keys, no worries.
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Post by Gecko on Jun 14, 2022 15:43:08 GMT -5
Lethal Injection-A fancy handspring into the ropes just to rebound into a cutter, and requires the opponent to cooperate by standing in the middle of the ring. Rebound Lariat- Ducking out of the ropes isn't going to add more impact to the move. I'm glad Moxley stopped doing it, but Kyle O'Reilly still does. I said that years ago, and was told that the turning upside down then rotating back forward adds momentum. I still don't buy it. The only way I could see that rotating would add momentum is if the lariat part happened as the feet touched back down. You're also probably not going to be able to rotate quick enough to make a significant difference without an outside force.
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Post by XIII on Jun 14, 2022 15:46:55 GMT -5
Never understood the diving headbutt either. Your opponent is laid out and you go to the top rope to finish them off so instead of putting all of your weight into a stomp, kneedrop, splash, or elbow drop you decide to fall off the top rope and hit them in the shoulder with the weakest part of your body which causes more damage to your neck than the other guys shoulder(even in kayfabe). Harley Race is kind of a dumbass for inventing that one.
PumpHandle Slam is up there for me too. If someone could flow into it would probably be pretty cool, but it’s always set up super slow.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 14, 2022 15:48:41 GMT -5
It's always the Overdrive. Nothing about that process makes a lick of sense. Even if you buy that it's supposed to be a neckbreaker variation, why bother with all the convoluted setup when you could just do a version with your hands instead? Shooting Star Press. Even the smoothest SSP looks more awkward and less impactful than an average moonsault or senton bomb, let alone a BME or a Swanton. I guess it's supposed to add torque, but it feels to me like that momentum is going in the wrong direction. Now a standing SSP I am ok with as its faster to perform and that movement could potentially be disorenting to the opponent so they aren't set to defend it. I'm OK with it, but not as a finish. EDIT: This may not be possible, but does anyone do a standing 450? Rich Swann's your man.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 14, 2022 16:02:19 GMT -5
619 (the setup as opposed to the hurricanranna or splash) I mean it's ok when he hurricanranna's them into position, and I guess the drop kick to the knee is OK, but they don't always set it up that way. I wouldn't mind if he used it to kick somneone in the back or stomach on occasion. I just get tired of the "I somehow got draped on the ropes" setup. I remember Regal randomly ending up in that 619 position against somebody else, he just got up which was weird after so many Rey matches. I think any time a move has a choreographed setup people should randomly end up in the same place in other matches so it's not so glaring (619, Booker T's finisher, stinkface, worm etc)
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Post by lionheart21 on Jun 14, 2022 16:23:54 GMT -5
When a wrestler is in the tree of woe and decides the best solution to this predicament is to sit up to receive a double foot stomp. I can buy into all sorts of ridiculous moves from the people's elbow to invisible hand grenades but that is the dumbest. Takes too long, no logic, isn't even that cool. For the most part, I do agree. I do like the version that Andrade does, though, where he grabs their arm and holds it prior to do the stomp, so it at least has some way of preventing the opponent from moving out of the way
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 14, 2022 16:25:28 GMT -5
Canadian Destroyer. if you think about it even a little bit it kills the suspension of disbelief, because you realize the person getting hit with the move is doing most of the work One actually happened in an Amateur Match at one point... I'm serious I used to have the link to the news story saved.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 14, 2022 16:26:39 GMT -5
Undertaker walking the top rope while the guy holding his hand just watches him. I think we are supposed to believe the guy is supposedly in so much pain that he can’t move. The idea is that Taker has him in an elevated wrist lock... not to mention the multiple times people DID pull him off the top rope.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Jun 14, 2022 16:52:36 GMT -5
I think we are supposed to believe the guy is supposedly in so much pain that he can’t move. The idea is that Taker has him in an elevated wrist lock... not to mention the multiple times people DID pull him off the top rope. [br Most famous example being a random Smackdown where Kozlov pulled him into a power slam and pinned him. Cleanly.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 14, 2022 17:07:52 GMT -5
It's always the Overdrive. Nothing about that process makes a lick of sense. Even if you buy that it's supposed to be a neckbreaker variation, why bother with all the convoluted setup when you could just do a version with your hands instead? I guess it's supposed to add torque, but it feels to me like that momentum is going in the wrong direction. Now a standing SSP I am ok with as its faster to perform and that movement could potentially be disorenting to the opponent so they aren't set to defend it. I'm OK with it, but not as a finish. EDIT: This may not be possible, but does anyone do a standing 450? Rich Swann's your man. I feel like Elix Skipper's the only guy who kinda got away with the Overdrive, but even he had better options. And nice. Jack Evans also has sometimes done standing 450s, also, standing Phoenix Splash, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2022 17:17:14 GMT -5
I hate The Panama Sunrise. I think it's somehow worse than The Canadian Destroyer.
The Meltzer Driver is kinda stupid, too.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jun 14, 2022 17:47:52 GMT -5
It's always the Overdrive. Nothing about that process makes a lick of sense. Even if you buy that it's supposed to be a neckbreaker variation, why bother with all the convoluted setup when you could just do a version with your hands instead? Rich Swann's your man. I feel like Elix Skipper's the only guy who kinda got away with the Overdrive, but even he had better options. And nice. Jack Evans also has sometimes done standing 450s, also, standing Phoenix Splash, I think. A standing Phoenix Splash??? He’d literally have to hang in air to do all the twisting before landing. While on that subject, I feel like the Phoenix splash and the Red/Black Arrow look phenomenally impactful.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jun 14, 2022 17:56:56 GMT -5
I hate The Panama Sunrise. I think it's somehow worse than The Canadian Destroyer. THANK YOU. Jumping off the second rope without even landing in position for the Canadian Destroyer half of it? Why. Just... why. Now, if he did and the announcers made a point of how jumping off the ropes factored into it (like more force when he flips)...
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