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Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on Jun 16, 2022 4:50:12 GMT -5
I don't know if you would class it as a dumb move I do not understand what is so good about the slingblade that Balor/Rollins/whoever else does it, the person doing the spinning bit seems so uncalled for a pointless.
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Post by pinja on Jun 16, 2022 7:09:07 GMT -5
I don't know if you would class it as a dumb move I do not understand what is so good about the slingblade that Balor/Rollins/whoever else does it, the person doing the spinning bit seems so uncalled for a pointless. Both look so much worse than JTG's Shout Out. He actually gets a hold of his opponents, while Balor and Rollins barely seem to touch them. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 16, 2022 7:54:13 GMT -5
It's supposed to be they're bending down to give a back body drop but telegraphed it so their opponent kicks them, but that makes me realise it's been so long since I've seen a back body drop that people genuinely may not know what one is now. Like how the point of the drop-down is to trip the opponent but it never happens. I'm going a bit off topic, but it's genuinely baffling to me that we never see back body drops anymore. It's such an oddly satisfying and fun move to see, especially when agile wrestlers like HBK would get crazy height with them. Plus, while I'm not a wrestler, I'd imagine a simple back bump like that is super basic to take. oo imagine Montez Ford or Dante Martin taking one, they'd be able to counter by grabbing onto the rafters. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 16, 2022 8:12:47 GMT -5
Natural Selection has never looked impactful enough to get a two count let alone win a match.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jun 16, 2022 17:35:09 GMT -5
I hate any move that sets up a finisher but it requires their opponent to move unnaturally into position. So, like, Scotty 2 Hotty's and Jericho's facebuster that somehow makes their opponent flip onto their back. Or the shotgun dropkick Finn does where they fall into the perfect position for his finisher. Yea, I dunno why S2H, JEricho or Balor couldn't just flip them over/reposition them after the setup move. That would make more sense. Or don't do it quite in position and have the recipient roll into position while selling it. "I'll be on my mark when you need me there" shouldn't be that difficult to grasp. |
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Post by Burst on Jun 16, 2022 17:49:02 GMT -5
In no particular order... Most "assisted" tag team moves where the second person just kind of gently shoves the opponent in the same direction as their partner. I still don't buy an assisted powerbomb, for instance, as being somehow more powerful when it always feels like the awkward setup always ends up taking some of the force out of the move. "Impact" moves where you're not sure what's actually supposed to be hitting the opponent. Best I can think of here is R-Truth's Lie Detector, though I think that suffered from a bad case of "setup/signature move that looks cooler than their actual finisher that gets promoted to being their finisher". Moves that are still done despite the wrestler never quite nailing it, like how JoMo's Starship Pain will lightly graze the opponent maybe 85% of the time it's "hit". Moves that are trendy and handed around to lower card and mid card hosses like candy, like when pretty much every big man in 2009-2010ish WWE was using some variant of a chokeslam/rock bottom/uranage as their finisher. And finally, obligatory mention of the Shaker Heights Spike:  |
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 16, 2022 23:33:30 GMT -5
I don't know if that's dumb in kayfabe so much as really dangerous.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 17, 2022 1:44:09 GMT -5
I don't know if that's dumb in kayfabe so much as really dangerous. And I'll say it again, there is a safe way to do that, partner 1 flapjack, partner 2 grabs them on the way down, just doesn't ACTUALLY spike them, it'd look like the same thing happening with extra force but be the same flat face bump. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 17, 2022 1:45:34 GMT -5
I don't know if that's dumb in kayfabe so much as really dangerous. And I'll say it again, there is a safe way to do that, partner 1 flapjack, partner 2 grabs them on the way down, just doesn't ACTUALLY spike them, it'd look like the same thing happening with extra force but be the same flat face bump. I mean the 3D is really similar only they don't flat out spike them head first. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 17:49:21 GMT -5
Jake Atlas' dumb cartwheel DDT finisher.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 17:50:47 GMT -5
I can’t stand Trevor Lee/Cameron Grimes back flipping power slam. Half the time it seems like the opponent is an idiot for trying a cross body at that moment, and all Grimes is doing is flipping backwards. It’s like adding the Canadian Destroyer with the “don’t Powerbomb Kidman” rule. Just dumb. I've hated it ever since Gargano landed on his head doing the move with Ridge Holland. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 20, 2022 19:10:06 GMT -5
Jake Atlas' dumb cartwheel DDT finisher. That looks like it could be kinda neat... but it takes too long to setup... if you could do a quick reversal spot or something... maybe a multiman counter out of nowhere... but one on one with hte dude standing there facing the other way for no reason... doesn't work. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 20, 2022 21:30:09 GMT -5
Never understood the diving headbutt either. Your opponent is laid out and you go to the top rope to finish them off so instead of putting all of your weight into a stomp, kneedrop, splash, or elbow drop you decide to fall off the top rope and hit them in the shoulder with the weakest part of your body which causes more damage to your neck than the other guys shoulder(even in kayfabe). Harley Race is kind of a dumbass for inventing that one. It kinda worked for Harley simply because Harley just dropped on you and hit you with a head that looked like a bowling ball. Most modern guys do these elegant dives off the top and barely graze you with their forehead. I've yet to see anybody do a Spanish Fly that didn't look like it would hurt the guy giving it as much as the guy taking it. Bret Hart's ring post figure-four is another one that I just never got the logic behind. The whole point of the figure-four leg lock is to, as Obi-Wan Kenobi would say, have the high ground so you can push down with as much pressure as possible on the opponents joints. That's why guys hold the ropes for leverage. But with the ring post figure-four you're completely giving up all leverage and your opponent is just hanging there from an awkward position that he should have an easier time breaking out of. |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jun 21, 2022 20:10:09 GMT -5
Here’s one I just saw - a pump handle fishermen’s suplex:  She’s pulling the other person’s shoulder up during the pin! |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 21, 2022 20:30:27 GMT -5
Here’s one I just saw - a pump handle fishermen’s suplex: She’s pulling the other person’s shoulder up during the pin! That's honestly a problem with most fisherman suplexes, Hennig's included, they really often blatantly don't have both shoulders on the mat. This is just making that even more obvious. |
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jun 21, 2022 23:10:03 GMT -5
Okay, so I have a bit of a controversial pick here:
The spinning toe hold.
Yes, I know Frank Gotch used to make people legit tap out with the hold. But just from a kayfabe standpoint, it makes no sense to me. You've got a submission hold that's only effective for 2-3 seconds at a time, at which point you have to let go of the hold and re-apply it over and over until the opponent taps out. My problem is that every time you let go of the hold to re-apply it, you're actively giving your opponent the chance to escape or counter.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jun 22, 2022 9:04:34 GMT -5
As much as I like Hangman Adam Page, I cannot stand how the Buckshot Lariat starts off with a flip over the rope. I get he wanted to add something to it to gain "momentum" but it's just a total waste of energy.
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Jun 22, 2022 14:44:34 GMT -5
That weird backslide pin that Tori used against Sable at their Wrestlemania XV match. Then she slipped while doing it. I love Tori, but that match was sooooo full of botches.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Jun 22, 2022 16:27:17 GMT -5
As much as I like Hangman Adam Page, I cannot stand how the Buckshot Lariat starts off with a flip over the rope. I get he wanted to add something to it to gain "momentum" but it's just a total waste of energy. Yea, much like the Canadian Destroyer, the second or third time you see the Buckshot you realize it's kinda dumb. Like a springboard lariat would be a million times better. Then I'm not a fan of Page at all. Hopefully he gets shunted down to Dark. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 22, 2022 17:42:56 GMT -5
Chief Jay Strongbow wasn’t impressed with some move Owen Hart was doing, said “You wouldn’t do that in a real fight!!!” Owen says, “Well Chief, next time I’m in a street fight, I’ll do a War Dance”. Lol, get f***ed, Strongbow. XD Bob Holly had a similar argument with Vince. Vince decreed no more chops, except for Flair. Holly says “But they get a great reaction”. Vince: You wouldn’t chop a guy in a real fight. Bob: In a real fight I wouldn’t jump off the top rope. Vince [angry]: NO MORE CHOPS! |
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