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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 24, 2022 18:07:49 GMT -5
You’re telling me the video of Vic Grimes falling on all those tables WASNT the Owen tape?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 18:10:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I like watching stuff like this, but I'm someone whose (morbid) curiosity does get the better of him sometimes.
I'm not losing sleep over it not being out there, though.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 24, 2022 18:15:15 GMT -5
Honestly, the footage that exists is probably barely visible anyway. It happened while they were playing a video package, so the arena lights were likely to be dim, and the cameras probably weren't pointed in the "right" direction
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jun 24, 2022 18:29:35 GMT -5
The Chubbuck audio leaked only last year I think it was, so anything is possible when it comes to lost media. Hell, this past week the Wicked Witch episode of Sesame Street got out, and while far less dark than the aforementioned, it's still crazy to see after all this time.
The thing with Owen's fall is that it was dark when he dropped, so even the footage that does exist from the hardcam probably looks grainy and indecipherable in SD. Still disturbing, especially when the lights go on and Jerry cradles him and everyone realizes the reality of what happened. I have to imagine that at least someone with access to the video library has watched it out of curiosity but wouldn't be the type to get interviewed or even want to talk about it.
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Post by wgdj on Jun 24, 2022 18:53:09 GMT -5
B)There Were Virtually No Camera Phones Back in 1999 - The few of them that might've existed were very expensive and not of good quality. If there was anything to capture in the arena, it would've been what was playing on the They didn't exist at all in 1999.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 24, 2022 18:59:00 GMT -5
It exists. WWE films everything.
There’s even cameras wrestlers don’t know are there. Jericho mentioned it during his discipline meeting with Vince when Batista bladed.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 24, 2022 19:04:08 GMT -5
B)There Were Virtually No Camera Phones Back in 1999 - The few of them that might've existed were very expensive and not of good quality. If there was anything to capture in the arena, it would've been what was playing on the They didn't exist at all in 1999. Not in the US, but the same month as Over the Edge, the first commercially available color camera phone went on sale in Japan. Still, it'd have been A. way too primitive to get anything of value, and I don't even know if it could take video and not just pictures. None of that changes that definitely no one there would have had one, though, so they may as well have not existed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 19:12:50 GMT -5
Camera phones aren't even a factor, you'd be dealing with smaller, handheld camcorders, which could have feasibly been there since there are tons of bootlegs of WWF shows.
However, I do think it's unlikely that people would have bothered with one for an event that was going to be televised, and even less likely that they would have had it pointed at the ring when nothing was going on there.
WWF would have most certainly gotten it on the hard cam, though.
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Post by sungod2020 on Jun 24, 2022 19:15:59 GMT -5
B)There Were Virtually No Camera Phones Back in 1999 - The few of them that might've existed were very expensive and not of good quality. If there was anything to capture in the arena, it would've been what was playing on the They didn't exist at all in 1999. According to wikipedia... "A camera phone is a mobile phone which is able to capture photographs and often record video using one or more built-in digital cameras. It can also send the resulting image wirelessly and conveniently. The first color commercial camera phone was the Kyocera Visual Phone VP-210, released in Japan in May 1999.[1]" So it came out to the public the same month Owen died. So I got the date wrong, but my point still stands on how primitive they were. As far as whether of not there is footage of his death, if there is at all, at most it wouldn't be easy make out anyway since it was dark in the arena. Could it even be credible evidence for legal reasons?
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Jun 24, 2022 20:32:55 GMT -5
Honestly, even imagining what the footage would look like is horrifying.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 24, 2022 20:52:39 GMT -5
I don't get why people would want to see it, or any other "lost footage" of people dying. Lost Media Wiki has a section just for real life death footage and I don't understand the appeal. Plus, the stuff people are apparently clamoring to see includes this, Dawn Brancheau (the Seaworld employee who was attacked and killed by a killer whale) and Christine Chubbuck's suicide. Ignoring the content itself, I highly doubt the families would want the footage of their loved one's death readily available for viewing on YouTube or Dailymotion... I will admit being fascinated with lost media now and then, LSuperSonicQ’s channel is always interesting. The LiveLeak type gruesome footage isn’t for me though. I’m not a super squeamish person but if it’s like something tragic or emotionally unsettling then I’ll peace out. Like I heard the Jim Jones tapes like I think once in my lifetime. Nope, not making that mistake again. Whenever I see a vid about it I timeskip that mess. If it’s something more lighthearted like a weird missing cartoon episode then that’s more my thing.
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Post by buckethead on Jun 24, 2022 21:08:16 GMT -5
It exists. WWE films everything. There’s even cameras wrestlers don’t know are there. Jericho mentioned it during his discipline meeting with Vince when Batista bladed. Yep.. definitely exists...just like footage of Sang Lan's freak injury at the 98 Goodwill Games. We'll never see them.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jun 24, 2022 21:21:51 GMT -5
The footage exists.
The shelf in the vault containing x number of tapes that say "do not view, copy, or destroy" however does not exist.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 24, 2022 22:39:43 GMT -5
probably the same way people have watched Twilight Zone Movie accident, Tommy Cooper dying on live TV or the Budd Dwyer press conference and morbid curiosity just gets the better of them I've seen that bolded part randomly, Was unaware of what was being shown (can't remember if it was a tv show or a random list video.) until I saw him go down and realised what footage it was. very uncomfortable viewing. I accidentally saw the Dwyer footage years ago when I was reading about the case and figured I'd watch the press conference right up until he pulled the gun out. Unfortunately, instead of stopping, the video jumped ahead to a closeup of him slumped over, eyes glazed over, and very dead. Instant regret on my part. Watching another human being die for real, even on video, will stay with you as long as you live. I don't understand people who deliberately seek that sort of thing out. The Chubbuck audio leaked only last year I think it was, so anything is possible when it comes to lost media. How on earth did the Chubbuck audio ever get out? Didn't the family order the master tape be destroyed? It's not like VCRs were common when it happened, either.
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Post by john84 on Jun 24, 2022 22:40:58 GMT -5
I do remember watching the Tommy Cooper death video. Wished I didn't.
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Post by RareTradU on Jun 24, 2022 22:54:35 GMT -5
I have no doubts that video of the fall itself exists but may not be of the best quality due to the lighting at the time of the fall. However, the footage after the fall would be the most interesting to see. Not to see a man pass away mind you, but the shear chaos that followed. From Jerry Lawler holding Owen, the EMTs working on him, the ring crew trying to get the ring back in working order (the ropes became extremely loose after Owen hit the turnbuckle), and wheeling him out on a stretcher. I’m sure all of this was recorded in the event Owen survived and made a comeback all of this footage would’ve made a hell of a comeback video or documentary. Hell they filmed lawler literally dying when he had his heart attack and the only reason the released the video was because he survived. They didn’t know he would live when they were still recording.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 25, 2022 3:44:06 GMT -5
How on earth did the Chubbuck audio ever get out? Didn't the family order the master tape be destroyed? It's not like VCRs were common when it happened, either. The only known copy of the tape was kept by the station owner. After the release of Kate Plays Christine his widow handed it over to a law firm for "safekeeping" and says she has no intention of releasing it. www.vulture.com/2016/06/christine-chubbuck-suicide-video-exists.htmlIt's quite likely that somebody gained access to that tape, as audio experts who have compared the voice on the recording to footage of Chubbock have no doubts about its authenticity.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Jun 25, 2022 3:52:30 GMT -5
I think even if camera phones where prevalent back than like they are now, the chances of even fuzzy video existing would still be low, as people generally had no reason to be looking towards the ring so filming there wouldn't be a priority, they'd be about a 1000 Youtube uploads of the footage of him getting worked on in the ring etc though all claiming to be the best quality footage
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Post by jimmyjames on Jun 25, 2022 5:40:33 GMT -5
Yes there is an audience and a market for something like this. I remember in the early 90s in middle school, friends had those "Caught of Tapes" videos of horrific accidents, shootings and things like that. Since then we've had "When Animals Attack" and other things. Heck Joe Francis of Girls Gone wild got his start with "Banned from Television" videos. It doesn't matter how grainy and dark the footage is people will still watch.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jun 25, 2022 6:00:58 GMT -5
I've seen that bolded part randomly, Was unaware of what was being shown (can't remember if it was a tv show or a random list video.) until I saw him go down and realised what footage it was. very uncomfortable viewing. I accidentally saw the Dwyer footage years ago when I was reading about the case and figured I'd watch the press conference right up until he pulled the gun out. Unfortunately, instead of stopping, the video jumped ahead to a closeup of him slumped over, eyes glazed over, and very dead. Instant regret on my part. Watching another human being die for real, even on video, will stay with you as long as you live. I don't understand people who deliberately seek that sort of thing out. The Chubbuck audio leaked only last year I think it was, so anything is possible when it comes to lost media. How on earth did the Chubbuck audio ever get out? Didn't the family order the master tape be destroyed? It's not like VCRs were common when it happened, either. The tape I believe is in the possession of the widow of the station manager who has said they have no desire to ever let the tape be seen which is good news. Well Jim Cornette has said he got given audio recordings of Memphis wrestling TV from 1975-1978 I think it is, so is it possible that someone recorded the audio separately of the master tape ? And on the topic of the thread, no I’ve no desire to see that footage. For all the shit Jerry lawler gets(rightly so), for those who have seen his on camera after the fall, where he looked visibly upset and pale, then that should tell you that that tape isn’t something to see. The Tommy cooper one is weird because of his assistant smiling and the audience laughing because Tommy cooper could have people laughing by doing nothing he was that much of a genius. I’ve not seen the clip of the guy in Pennsylvania who shot himself on live TV, but from reading the wiki article of it, it said some stations replayed it back unedited in the middle of the day which is just insane to me.
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