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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 25, 2022 6:46:43 GMT -5
I accidentally saw the Dwyer footage years ago when I was reading about the case and figured I'd watch the press conference right up until he pulled the gun out. Unfortunately, instead of stopping, the video jumped ahead to a closeup of him slumped over, eyes glazed over, and very dead. Instant regret on my part. Watching another human being die for real, even on video, will stay with you as long as you live. I don't understand people who deliberately seek that sort of thing out. How on earth did the Chubbuck audio ever get out? Didn't the family order the master tape be destroyed? It's not like VCRs were common when it happened, either. The tape I believe is in the possession of the widow of the station manager who has said they have no desire to ever let the tape be seen which is good news. Well Jim Cornette has said he got given audio recordings of Memphis wrestling TV from 1975-1978 I think it is, so is it possible that someone recorded the audio separately of the master tape ? And on the topic of the thread, no I’ve no desire to see that footage. For all the shit Jerry lawler gets(rightly so), for those who have seen his on camera after the fall, where he looked visibly upset and pale, then that should tell you that that tape isn’t something to see. The Tommy cooper one is weird because of his assistant smiling and the audience laughing because Tommy cooper could have people laughing by doing nothing he was that much of a genius. I’ve not seen the clip of the guy in Pennsylvania who shot himself on live TV, but from reading the wiki article of it, it said some stations replayed it back unedited in the middle of the day which is just insane to me. After reading about the Chubbuck leak in this thread, I did some digging. Turns out, some poor quality audio exists that some people think is almost certainly legit, based on a myriad of factors. According to those who did hear it, it's like somebody was watching the tape and had their cell phone recording in their pocket, so it's distant and somewhat muffled, but not indistinguishable. There was another sound-only upload of the station's call sign from that era, and that I did listen to, and it sounded real enough to me. I honestly don't know. At the end of the day, I think we should just let that poor woman rest in peace. Also, what made the Dwyer footage even worse was, when they played it back unedited in the middle of the day as you mentioned, children were actually home from school because of a blizzard in the area. So yeah, a LOT of kids saw that video. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 25, 2022 10:06:51 GMT -5
Seeing the pictures of his blood on DSOTR was bad enough.
I will never watch the video of it so long as I live. Even by accident.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jun 25, 2022 10:16:33 GMT -5
Seeing the pictures of his blood on DSOTR was bad enough. I will never watch the video of it so long as I live. Even by accident. Is that picture of his blood though ? I assume you mean the one of the blood on the edge of the ring ? I’m sure I’ve seen it said there was a segment involving the brood that night and a blood bath happened which may explain that. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 25, 2022 10:29:09 GMT -5
With the Chubbuck audio, I often wonder if there are private collectors of that sort of thing that managed to get a copy of the footage and the leak came as a result of that. Get someone who's wealthy and/or with enough morbid taste, and I can see how they could throw enough money around in the right places to pull it off. Either that or someone who at least got to see the tape and (maybe secretly) recorded the audio while watching.
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Post by brooklynmets on Jun 25, 2022 11:16:15 GMT -5
The tape I believe is in the possession of the widow of the station manager who has said they have no desire to ever let the tape be seen which is good news. Well Jim Cornette has said he got given audio recordings of Memphis wrestling TV from 1975-1978 I think it is, so is it possible that someone recorded the audio separately of the master tape ? And on the topic of the thread, no I’ve no desire to see that footage. For all the shit Jerry lawler gets(rightly so), for those who have seen his on camera after the fall, where he looked visibly upset and pale, then that should tell you that that tape isn’t something to see. The Tommy cooper one is weird because of his assistant smiling and the audience laughing because Tommy cooper could have people laughing by doing nothing he was that much of a genius. I’ve not seen the clip of the guy in Pennsylvania who shot himself on live TV, but from reading the wiki article of it, it said some stations replayed it back unedited in the middle of the day which is just insane to me. After reading about the Chubbuck leak in this thread, I did some digging. Turns out, some poor quality audio exists that some people think is almost certainly legit, based on a myriad of factors. According to those who did hear it, it's like somebody was watching the tape and had their cell phone recording in their pocket, so it's distant and somewhat muffled, but not indistinguishable. There was another sound-only upload of the station's call sign from that era, and that I did listen to, and it sounded real enough to me. I honestly don't know. At the end of the day, I think we should just let that poor woman rest in peace. Also, what made the Dwyer footage even worse was, when they played it back unedited in the middle of the day as you mentioned, children were actually home from school because of a blizzard in the area. So yeah, a LOT of kids saw that video. I didn't see the Dwyer footage live, but I remember the Daily News in Brooklyn had the pics on the front page with the gun in his mouth. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 25, 2022 11:56:19 GMT -5
Wasn't aware the Chubbuck incident was partially found. Wow...
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 25, 2022 12:04:57 GMT -5
Wasn't aware the Chubbuck incident was partially found. Wow... There was actually a false alarm a few years ago where someone posted grainy video claiming it was the real deal, but not only were certain details off, the footage conveniently had "Christine"'s face too distorted to properly make out, which made many suspicious. It's since been revealed as a fake and was one of the reasons most were initially skeptical of the more recent leak; it only started getting believed when the voice there was compared with the audio of the surviving news reports of Chubbuck that do exist. |
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Post by r. on Jun 25, 2022 13:38:19 GMT -5
I’ve always heard it was Kevin Kelly who said there were 3 tapes with the same instructions on a shelf, Owens fall, Droz’s match with D’Lo and another I can’t recall. Not sure if anyone else can confirm hearing that same thing though. Yep, the two are labeled "Not to be viewed, Copied, Or destroyed". No video footage outside of the WWE vault exists of either incident. However, Photos exists of both events and audio from the Spanish announce table during Owens fall was found in which you can very distinctly hear the *thud* |
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 25, 2022 14:53:30 GMT -5
If it exists, it should be destroyed.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jun 25, 2022 19:14:45 GMT -5
The hard cam is always going, isn't it? A lot of the matches on those recent "Unreleased" DVDs are steady hard-cam footage with a running clock from the start of the taping. I'm sure that's what it is - dark hard-cam footage of him crashing into the ring. So I can't say I know about WWE's production at the time but I know a thing or two about wrestling production. The hardcam will have been 90% chance pointing at the ring, you also have the jib which was potentially pointing at Owen for the entrance. There's also the 2/3 roaming ringside cameras which could have been pointing anywhere, including sat on the apron because those promos are the only time those guys get a seconds break. So yeah, there's probably at least 3 cameras that caught at least part of the fall. It was 'dark' but it's surprising how visible things are. Either way, I hope it never sees the light of day, even though I understand the morbid curiosity. I've seen that bolded part randomly, Was unaware of what was being shown (can't remember if it was a tv show or a random list video.) until I saw him go down and realised what footage it was. very uncomfortable viewing. I think it has made its way onto some random list videos, I hated seeing the footage felt like it stuck with me for the rest of the day I forget the name but I remember a well known YouTuber used a screencap of Tommy dying for a list video thumbnail. People complained but he just waved them off. Prick. |
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Post by r. on Jun 25, 2022 21:10:05 GMT -5
If it exists, it should be destroyed. My understanding is they keep the one they have on record for legal purposes. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 25, 2022 22:47:19 GMT -5
I’ve always heard it was Kevin Kelly who said there were 3 tapes with the same instructions on a shelf, Owens fall, Droz’s match with D’Lo and another I can’t recall. Not sure if anyone else can confirm hearing that same thing though. Yep, the two are labeled "Not to be viewed, Copied, Or destroyed". No video footage outside of the WWE vault exists of either incident. However, Photos exists of both events and audio from the Spanish announce table during Owens fall was found in which you can very distinctly hear the *thud* Yeah what was the third? I know about the other two but forget a third. |
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Post by r. on Jun 25, 2022 22:55:11 GMT -5
Yep, the two are labeled "Not to be viewed, Copied, Or destroyed". No video footage outside of the WWE vault exists of either incident. However, Photos exists of both events and audio from the Spanish announce table during Owens fall was found in which you can very distinctly hear the *thud* Yeah what was the third? I know about the other two but forget a third. No idea I can't think of another incident that has been sealed away. |
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Post by ianriccaboni on Jun 25, 2022 23:25:16 GMT -5
Yeah what was the third? I know about the other two but forget a third. No idea I can't think of another incident that has been sealed away. Likely Marty Jannetty's Rocker Dropper on Chuck Austin. |
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 25, 2022 23:27:46 GMT -5
No idea I can't think of another incident that has been sealed away. Likely Marty Jannetty's Rocker Dropper on Chuck Austin. That might be the one. |
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Post by r. on Jun 25, 2022 23:30:00 GMT -5
Likely Marty Jannetty's Rocker Dropper on Chuck Austin. That might be the one. Available on youtube |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 25, 2022 23:31:14 GMT -5
Likely Marty Jannetty's Rocker Dropper on Chuck Austin. That might be the one. That certainly falls under "evidence". |
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 25, 2022 23:32:44 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, it's taken from a news story covering the lawsuit. Which begs the question, why give them access to the footage in the first place? It's pretty damning. |
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Post by ianriccaboni on Jun 25, 2022 23:34:29 GMT -5
Don't want to get too into the weeds or pedantic but it's on there because one of the tabloid shows aired after obtaining it not because WWF wanted it out there. They like have a legal obligation to keep it and they certainly have no incentive to view it. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 25, 2022 23:36:19 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, it's taken from a news story covering the lawsuit. Which begs the question, why give them access to the footage in the first place? It's pretty damning. Just a random stab in the dark...the trial, it being newsworthy, some attempt to sway public opinion on "how well the Rockers protected him, knowing he was injured". Shawn clearly knows, as he abandons the splash for a diving headbutt like thing and just places his hand between his legs rather than hook it. Plus, as tragic as it is, there's a gap between a guy being paralyzed and a guy falling to his death. |
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