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Post by cjh on Jun 26, 2022 0:25:00 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, it's taken from a news story covering the lawsuit. Which begs the question, why give them access to the footage in the first place? It's pretty damning. I'm guessing WWE had to give Austin himself or Austin's legal representation a tape of the match, and that's how the show that did the story got the footage.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 26, 2022 0:34:53 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, it's taken from a news story covering the lawsuit. Which begs the question, why give them access to the footage in the first place? It's pretty damning. I'm guessing WWE had to give Austin himself or Austin's legal representation a tape of the match, and that's how the show that did the story got the footage. Oh, his lawyers certainly have it but that's legal evidence in a lawsuit but I'm not sure they can just release footage to the press...
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Post by flowercity on Jun 26, 2022 1:00:59 GMT -5
i don’t really understand what legal or other reasons would lead to this footage not being destroyed
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 26, 2022 8:57:57 GMT -5
The Chuck Austin thing makes sense. I can't think of other things that were or needed to be buried away.
The Benoit Tribute was the only one I came up with before, but I don't think that's of the same magnitude
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jun 26, 2022 9:06:13 GMT -5
The one saving grace in a way is that Camera Phones weren't really a thing back then and Youtube did not exist yet. Cause you know if it had it would have been all over the Web.
Not something I would personally want to view.
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 26, 2022 9:14:11 GMT -5
i don’t really understand what legal or other reasons would lead to this footage not being destroyed I'm surprised Martha Hart wouldn't have it in a lawsuit that it must be destroyed.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jun 26, 2022 10:54:37 GMT -5
It will never see the light of day
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Post by msc on Jun 26, 2022 11:01:04 GMT -5
Tommy Cooper's death is actually shown in recent TV documentaries about his life. "Hey look, here's a beloved entertainer actually dying!" Luckily I twigged the first time just ahead and was able to look away, and now I skip over footage of it.
I legit had nightmares about Owen's death for years. Any video of it should go on the Treadwell list of things which should never ever be public.
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Post by cjh on Jun 26, 2022 17:24:32 GMT -5
I'm guessing WWE had to give Austin himself or Austin's legal representation a tape of the match, and that's how the show that did the story got the footage. Oh, his lawyers certainly have it but that's legal evidence in a lawsuit but I'm not sure they can just release footage to the press... If WWE had to turn over a copy of the match to Austin, then the show could have gotten it from him. A news show would not need permission to show the footage.
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Post by Andee9001 on Jun 26, 2022 20:36:31 GMT -5
Not going to lie i have a strange fascination in lost media.
I don't want to actually watch or listen to the footage in question but i have an interest in hearing about the stories behind them.
I don't intentionally seek out footage. Generally i'll watch iceberg videos or just general list videos that go into details but show nothing. Sometimes the details enough are stomach churning.
As far as i know in regards to Owens death all that's out there is some spanish audio and a photo of emts supporting him. That photo makes me ill.
As far as the Droz accident goes there are some photos from the match and they used footage from him being stretchered out on some of their "Don't try this at home" psa's.
I have no interests in seeing either of those.
The Benoit tribute may be the other footage that's in the vault but that's out on youtube. The only bit of destroyed media relating to him that i'm aware of was a WWE Magazine tribute cover and i think an action figure that was meant to be released.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jun 27, 2022 1:12:33 GMT -5
outside of legal reasons, why would anyone want to intentionally watch that tape? probably the same way people have watched Twilight Zone Movie accident, Tommy Cooper dying on live TV or the Budd Dwyer press conference and morbid curiosity just gets the better of them Yeah, I don't want to condone any sort of behavior like this, but as a society we've done a great deal to (rightfully) shield people away from real acts of violence and death. I think for some people, it's something they've never been personally presented with to gain anything from, so they seek it out. I don't consider it a bad thing as long as they're using it as something to learn from. Now the people who either profit from, exploit or create? That's 100% immoral.
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Post by ayumidah on Jun 27, 2022 4:36:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I like watching stuff like this, but I'm someone whose (morbid) curiosity does get the better of him sometimes. I'm not losing sleep over it not being out there, though. i'm the same way. Stumbled on a "celeb death" website when I was a teenager with pictures and... yeah. Of course now that I've mentioned it, I wonder if that site's still running. Shit. Twenty years, things ain't changed. Heh =/
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 27, 2022 7:46:41 GMT -5
I'm guessing WWE had to give Austin himself or Austin's legal representation a tape of the match, and that's how the show that did the story got the footage. Oh, his lawyers certainly have it but that's legal evidence in a lawsuit but I'm not sure they can just release footage to the press... They 100% can, there's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't be able to. Working the media is a common tactic in high profile civil suits
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 27, 2022 8:13:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I like watching stuff like this, but I'm someone whose (morbid) curiosity does get the better of him sometimes. I'm not losing sleep over it not being out there, though. i'm the same way. Stumbled on a "celeb death" website when I was a teenager with pictures and... yeah. Of course now that I've mentioned it, I wonder if that site's still running. Shit. Twenty years, things ain't changed. Heh =/ I think I know what and who you're referring to. The TZ accident...didn't that make one of the Faces of Death type videos?
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Post by salz4life on Jun 27, 2022 9:14:54 GMT -5
I've seen the Dwyer one. It was all because of morbid curiosity. It was bad. I definitely don't want to see Owen's fall.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 9:55:06 GMT -5
How on earth did the Chubbuck audio ever get out? Didn't the family order the master tape be destroyed? It's not like VCRs were common when it happened, either. Cassette recorder existed around the 70s. Someone could recorded the audio off the Tv when it happened. For example, even through there missing episodes of Doctor Who, all the audio from those missing episodes still existed due to fan recordings of them. I heard the Chubbuck audio and at the end, you can heard someone reacting to it.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 27, 2022 9:57:41 GMT -5
Stuff like that doesnt get destroyed or deleted because the people who capture it and are responsible are as weird as the rest of us. Chris Chubbuck's death was in the process of being duplicated by he colleagues when cops turned up to investigate, Budd Dwyer shot himself at about 10am and it was up in a sattelite, at every news station and aired on WPXI in Pittsburgh by noon.
Owens'd death is always going to be too hot of an issue for them to get rid of the videotape of the actual evidence of what happened. The incident is bigger than WWE so even though legally or whatever it's their property, the gravity of it might dictate that it isn't theirs to destroy.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 27, 2022 10:00:00 GMT -5
How on earth did the Chubbuck audio ever get out? Didn't the family order the master tape be destroyed? It's not like VCRs were common when it happened, either. Cassette recorder existed around the 70s. Someone could recorded the audio off the Tv when it happened. For example, even through there missing episodes of Doctor Who, all the audio from those missing episodes still existed due to fan recordings of them. I heard the Chubbuck audio and at the end, you can heard someone reacting to it. yeah the Chubbuck thing is apparently an audio recording police used to transcribe the video. The police report mentions they had a copy of that, from what I remember, which nobody had really mentioned before and the best guess appears to be that that's the source.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 27, 2022 10:49:35 GMT -5
This and the Lost Media thread on Off-Topic made me think of the 10/28/95 ECW Arena show and footage of the fire incident.
As it obviously was never put on home video, only edited forms of most matches exist from that.
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Jun 27, 2022 13:42:00 GMT -5
I understand that they have it on hand for legal purposes, but I would like to see it destroyed. This and Droz's incident as well.
In a weird way, I'm actually happy that it took place at a time where not everyone had a cell phone with a camera on it connected directly to the Internet due to the sheer amount of people who would have put it on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok and other social media sites for clicks and likes. Something as horrible as that they would capitalize on it. Now, I understand that not everyone on social media are heartless, greedy clout chasers, but I have lost a lot of faith in humanity in my years.
I hope that tape never sees the light of day. I feel so sorry for the Hart family's loss, especially Martha Hart. If I were Martha, I would have petitioned the court to have that tape destroyed.
It was a very unfortunate incident and, I may be in the minority here, but I place the blame squarely on the WWF. They should have practiced, practiced, practiced a dangerous stunt like that. I also hear the rig wasn't the safest.
I'm also in the minority that thinks they should have stopped the Over the Edge show right after that happened and given everyone their money back. The fans would have revolted, but if you see the match right after Owen's match was supposed to take place (Jeff Jarrett & Debra vs. Val Venis and Nicole Bass), you can tell their hearts weren't in it. Realistically, what was the biggest event that happened at that PPV? Austin getting screwed out of the WWF Heavyweight Championship because Shane shoved Vince into Austin, who fell into The Undertaker, who did a School Boy pin on him to win? They could have saved that for RAW the next night.
Poor Owen.
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