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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 29, 2022 22:59:59 GMT -5
Al Snow seems to have this mentality. There was the time he went on a huge rant saying that the only good wrestling matches are ones that draw, which quickly got countered by people saying he must have had zero good matches. The best thing with Al Snow is that now he's all poo-poo about gimmicks and comedy, as if people don't remember his name solely because of gimmicks and comedy. He's the last conceivable guy to turn into Old Man Yells At Cloud and the fact he has really puts him on the list, because what he thinks a good worker should have, he doesn't, so clearly he shouldn't be in that role. I know people get on Cornette a lot for being anti-comedy despite some of stuff he booked and took part in, but at least he's a guy with a resume of managing serious stars and for being behind successful products. What the f*** was Al Snow the mastermind of? He's also a giant pig and Abaddon has a story about him at a seminar yelling about how she and some other women would work harder if it as a 'dildo on a pole' match and asked her to be more attractive so she could get booked more, so clearly he's really spreading that wisdom about fundamentals, too. The thing with Snow was always weird. When he first left WWE and was working backstage for TNA he did a lot of seminars and guest training and was praised for being a great teacher and very patient and creative. But then out of nowhere something snapped with him. Where he just became insanely negative towards everything.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 29, 2022 23:43:21 GMT -5
I think people are being too dismissive about Al Snow, though yes, he's also been a major dick, so feel free to harp on that part of it.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 29, 2022 23:50:31 GMT -5
Al Snow seems to have this mentality. There was the time he went on a huge rant saying that the only good wrestling matches are ones that draw, which quickly got countered by people saying he must have had zero good matches. It’s not even that, he swore up and down and would hear nothing to the contrary that Hulk v. Andre wasn’t the BEST in-ring performance at Mania 3 because that was the draw. The guy tried coming at him from every possible angle that maybe, just maybe Savage v. Steamboat was a better match. Nope. Hulk and Andre was the draw, so it’s automatically the best match.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 29, 2022 23:57:17 GMT -5
Al is one of those guys that you probably see at every job. They've been around so long and everything eventually changes and not in the ways they want and they can not accept the change. The guy owes his career to Vince sending him to Heyman and Heyman either giving him a good gimmick or letting Al run with it. And even after the original shock value and coolness factor of the head gimmick died down in WWF, he basically returned back to Lief Cassidy reactions from the crowd.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 30, 2022 2:14:54 GMT -5
I’ll never forget Low-Ki legit knocking someone out with his first move and then trying to have a long match with that person instead of just pinning them. On top of being a self-important jerk, he’s also an absolute dork. Ki's entire schtick was always "I'm just going to kick you as hard as I can and you have to take it because Daddy said sell". take that away and he's nothing. Ki didn't think Claudio beating him would be realistic. Obviously he's right, there's nothing believable about the taller, bigger, and stronger dude beating Ki.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 30, 2022 3:05:36 GMT -5
Al Snow seems to have this mentality. There was the time he went on a huge rant saying that the only good wrestling matches are ones that draw, which quickly got countered by people saying he must have had zero good matches. It’s not even that, he swore up and down and would hear nothing to the contrary that Hulk v. Andre wasn’t the BEST in-ring performance at Mania 3 because that was the draw. The guy tried coming at him from every possible angle that maybe, just maybe Savage v. Steamboat was a better match. Nope. Hulk and Andre was the draw, so it’s automatically the best match. I always thought he came off like such a moron with this opinion. Like he was trying to show everyone how smart he was with this outside the box opinion and instead just came off like an arrogant idiot. Same thing with the best worker is the one who draws the most statement old timers will say. No it just means they are a DRAW. Like the name implies. Hulk Hogan was a great draw but was not a good worker. Dean Malenko was a great work but couldn't draw a fly covered in s**t. A good worker for me just implied to how skilled and talented a wrestler is between the ropes as far as what they can do and how well they do it. However this concept seems to fly over the heads over people who have been in the business for years.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Aug 30, 2022 3:25:39 GMT -5
Al Snow seems to have this mentality. There was the time he went on a huge rant saying that the only good wrestling matches are ones that draw, which quickly got countered by people saying he must have had zero good matches. It’s not even that, he swore up and down and would hear nothing to the contrary that Hulk v. Andre wasn’t the BEST in-ring performance at Mania 3 because that was the draw. The guy tried coming at him from every possible angle that maybe, just maybe Savage v. Steamboat was a better match. Nope. Hulk and Andre was the draw, so it’s automatically the best match. He was so obnoxious about it too, he asked an open and rather ambiguous question and then berated someone for giving the "wrong" answer. I think he probably knew exactly what answer he was going to get and asked it specifically so he could make a big show of immediately jumping on the person and showing how "smart" he is. Prick.
The thing is as well, there's kind of a valid point to be made there, but he expressed like such a condescending wanker.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Aug 30, 2022 5:46:32 GMT -5
The thing about Hogan/Andre and Savage/Steamboat is no-one actually knows how well Savage/Steamboat drew. I always think there must have been quite a few people who were super-excited about that match and couldn't care less about the main event.
Anyway, as an honourable mention: Shanna. Gets a job with AEW, is decent in the ring and is slotted in the mid-card. During the pandemic (when she couldn't travel) posts a racist tirade on social media. Comes back, changes her finish from a bridging dragon suplex to a bridging tiger suplex that she can't hit consistently, and constantly big leagues the extras. Then, because she's upset at being booked to lose against (then unsigned) Leyla Hirsch on Dark Elevation, she shoot slaps her, the end result of which was a *very* snug cross armbreaker. She gets fired, and Leyla gets signed right after.
If she'd kept her head down she'd still be employed by the company. Would have probably had a couple of title matches, too.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 30, 2022 6:36:34 GMT -5
Bully Ray if you listen to Busted Open he usually presents his ideas as better than what was on TV and most of the time his ideas are moronic. What makes it worse is his co host treats his ideas as gospel and he's an ass to callers that challenge his ideas.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 30, 2022 9:34:52 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Teddy Hart, who is mostly known for being an egotistical and entitled prick.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 30, 2022 12:12:46 GMT -5
Bradshaw and Bob Holly assaulting others under the guise of hazing to make sure the guys are true to wrestling, pay their dues under their guise of being loyal to WWF. Like WCW was trying to lure them away and they stayed loyal LOL. They were both future endeavors waiting to happen from 1996 to 1999 until they got some good gimmicks. From what I hear, it was between Bob Holly and Hulk Hogan as the Third Man right up until the last second.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 30, 2022 12:13:49 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Teddy Hart, who is mostly known for being an egotistical and entitled prick. OH That reminds me Bruce Hart!
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Post by salz4life on Aug 30, 2022 12:35:14 GMT -5
Seeing Disco Inferno make an ass of himself on social media again got me thinking.. Whenever you hear about a someone connected to pro wrestling being an absolute scrotebag well anywhere, it’s mostly always some guy who mostly peaked at the lowest mid card level. The guy that never main evented (unless he/she was in a battle royal or some kind), might of held a secondary title if they were lucky, were the Marty Janetty if they were in a tag team, had a sub par work rate, never had a match anyone would consider a classic or more then 3 stars using a star ratings. Couldn’t even headline an Indy show or small town convention. But they act like gods gift to the profession cause they are around during some boom period. And they feel the need lecture modern wrestlers on how to go about the business. Well I’ve already mentions Disco .. and I’m sure there others.. so have at it. I love Disco... I don't agree with everything he says, but I love him. He knows what he's doing on Twitter and I'll leave it at that.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 30, 2022 12:39:55 GMT -5
Sunny... What did she actually DO for wrestling besides look hot? Well, I hate to say anything positive about Sunny after what she has become... but at the time of her popularity, that's all she needed to do. Can you imagine if someone like Scarlett Bordeaux was in that position at the time??? She'd easily be a HOF Legend right now. But now, she is simply a valet. I don't say that to demean Scarlett as I feel like she is a great piece of the presentation of Karrion Kross. But, the expectation for women in the wrestling industry has changed for the better. Scarlett is just part of the roster as a valet.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 30, 2022 12:45:11 GMT -5
Al Snow seems to have this mentality. There was the time he went on a huge rant saying that the only good wrestling matches are ones that draw, which quickly got countered by people saying he must have had zero good matches. It’s not even that, he swore up and down and would hear nothing to the contrary that Hulk v. Andre wasn’t the BEST in-ring performance at Mania 3 because that was the draw. The guy tried coming at him from every possible angle that maybe, just maybe Savage v. Steamboat was a better match. Nope. Hulk and Andre was the draw, so it’s automatically the best match. I don't understand the hate for his POV. He's saying the match that brought in all the money is the best match on the card. It's his opinion and he's looking at it from a financial point of view. It's no difference that Dave's Star Rating System which is also his opinion. Now, as a fan, I look at shows not just for money brought in, but for the performance. I think Savage/Steamboat was the best match on that card... but Hogan/Andre sold that show. I think we are just at a point where the older guys (80's 90s and maybe some of the 2000s) thought money was the most important thing in regards to pro wrestling. The new generation, no pun intended, care more about the action in the ring and, while money is obviously important, they also care much more about what happens between the ropes. This is just my opinion.
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Post by Aceorton on Aug 30, 2022 13:02:21 GMT -5
It’s not even that, he swore up and down and would hear nothing to the contrary that Hulk v. Andre wasn’t the BEST in-ring performance at Mania 3 because that was the draw. The guy tried coming at him from every possible angle that maybe, just maybe Savage v. Steamboat was a better match. Nope. Hulk and Andre was the draw, so it’s automatically the best match. I don't understand the hate for his POV. He's saying the match that brought in all the money is the best match on the card. It's his opinion and he's looking at it from a financial point of view. It's no difference that Dave's Star Rating System which is also his opinion. Now, as a fan, I look at shows not just for money brought in, but for the performance. I think Savage/Steamboat was the best match on that card... but Hogan/Andre sold that show. I think we are just at a point where the older guys (80's 90s and maybe some of the 2000s) thought money was the most important thing in regards to pro wrestling. The new generation, no pun intended, care more about the action in the ring and, while money is obviously important, they also care much more about what happens between the ropes. This is just my opinion. I think with Snow, it's his attitude, not his POV. He often has defensible points, but he's such a condescending ass about it that it turns people off. I hate watching those clips where he lectures to new wrestlers about psychology because while, yes, what he's saying makes total sense, he's so high-and-mighty about it that I can't take him seriously.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 30, 2022 13:11:43 GMT -5
I don't understand the hate for his POV. He's saying the match that brought in all the money is the best match on the card. It's his opinion and he's looking at it from a financial point of view. It's no difference that Dave's Star Rating System which is also his opinion. Now, as a fan, I look at shows not just for money brought in, but for the performance. I think Savage/Steamboat was the best match on that card... but Hogan/Andre sold that show. I think we are just at a point where the older guys (80's 90s and maybe some of the 2000s) thought money was the most important thing in regards to pro wrestling. The new generation, no pun intended, care more about the action in the ring and, while money is obviously important, they also care much more about what happens between the ropes. This is just my opinion. I think with Snow, it's his attitude, not his POV. He often has defensible points, but he's such a condescending ass about it that it turns people off. I hate watching those clips where he lectures to new wrestlers about psychology because while, yes, what he's saying makes total sense, he's so high-and-mighty about it that I can't take him seriously. It's also kinda weird when you think about it because, well, if it was the best match OF the night because it was the draw, well... the match hadn't even happened when it drew the money. It wasn't the match, it was the prospect of the match.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 30, 2022 13:17:23 GMT -5
I don't understand the hate for his POV. He's saying the match that brought in all the money is the best match on the card. It's his opinion and he's looking at it from a financial point of view. It's no difference that Dave's Star Rating System which is also his opinion. Now, as a fan, I look at shows not just for money brought in, but for the performance. I think Savage/Steamboat was the best match on that card... but Hogan/Andre sold that show. I think we are just at a point where the older guys (80's 90s and maybe some of the 2000s) thought money was the most important thing in regards to pro wrestling. The new generation, no pun intended, care more about the action in the ring and, while money is obviously important, they also care much more about what happens between the ropes. This is just my opinion. I think with Snow, it's his attitude, not his POV. He often has defensible points, but he's such a condescending ass about it that it turns people off. I hate watching those clips where he lectures to new wrestlers about psychology because while, yes, what he's saying makes total sense, he's so high-and-mighty about it that I can't take him seriously. Kevin Nash has said a lot of the same stuff about how being the best draw should be the ultimate goal, but he says it with so much more charm that it comes off as much less abrasive, so he doesn't get that same sort of flack from people about it. It's not as if it's a wrong opinion, exactly, since it's a worked sport, so of course being a draw is the idea. Obviously, there's more to it than that, but it's basically bullet point one. Sell tickets, sell merch, sell PPVs, and everyone's happy.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 30, 2022 14:21:14 GMT -5
I think with Snow, it's his attitude, not his POV. He often has defensible points, but he's such a condescending ass about it that it turns people off. I hate watching those clips where he lectures to new wrestlers about psychology because while, yes, what he's saying makes total sense, he's so high-and-mighty about it that I can't take him seriously. Kevin Nash has said a lot of the same stuff about how being the best draw should be the ultimate goal, but he says it with so much more charm that it comes off as much less abrasive, so he doesn't get that same sort of flack from people about it. It's not as if it's a wrong opinion, exactly, since it's a worked sport, so of course being a draw is the idea. Obviously, there's more to it than that, but it's basically bullet point one. Sell tickets, sell merch, sell PPVs, and everyone's happy. It's like movies, works of fiction to draw people in, by this metric, The Rock is a better actor than Willem Dafoe. Drawing money and being popular is a measure of success, a pretty good one, but there's also room for the artists, those who inspire and influence. Hulk v Andre drew the biggest crowds, Steamboat v Savage created wrestlers. There's room for both, you need both. It's an art form, there's almost no objective good or bad.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 30, 2022 14:46:34 GMT -5
Braun/ Adam Scherr.
Dude gets hired because of his size ,has training paid for him and acts like he is above all the people trying their best in the indies and asking absurd fees.
Maybe he doesn't has a ego as big as Disco but he is much more entitled
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