agent817
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Post by agent817 on Aug 30, 2022 15:31:58 GMT -5
Sunny... What did she actually DO for wrestling besides look hot? Well, I hate to say anything positive about Sunny after what she has become... but at the time of her popularity, that's all she needed to do. Can you imagine if someone like Scarlett Bordeaux was in that position at the time??? She'd easily be a HOF Legend right now. But now, she is simply a valet. I don't say that to demean Scarlett as I feel like she is a great piece of the presentation of Karrion Kross. But, the expectation for women in the wrestling industry has changed for the better. Scarlett is just part of the roster as a valet. To be fair, Sunny had personality and charisma. Yes, she was hot, whether it was wearing those revealing outfits or those provocative videos on the beach in a bikini or those ones in the bathtub, she also knew how to talk on the mic. But there wasn't a lot for her aside from being the hot valet/manager, or being a referee, or being a ring announcer. She wasn't a wrestler, especially in her time there when women's wrestling was hardly a thing. But when you look at other ladies from that time, there wasn't much comparison. Marlena was mainly a valet who got little mic time (I felt she had more personality as Alexandra York). Sable, um, yeah...
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 30, 2022 16:13:21 GMT -5
I think with Snow, it's his attitude, not his POV. He often has defensible points, but he's such a condescending ass about it that it turns people off. I hate watching those clips where he lectures to new wrestlers about psychology because while, yes, what he's saying makes total sense, he's so high-and-mighty about it that I can't take him seriously. It's also kinda weird when you think about it because, well, if it was the best match OF the night because it was the draw, well... the match hadn't even happened when it drew the money. It wasn't the match, it was the prospect of the match. THIS THIS THIS. The match had already drawn money before a single move was done. If you want to study how to draw money in wrestling, the actual work in Hogan/Andre is irrelevant. There's a valid argument in there, but the argument then is that you should be studying the hype and build for the match, the parts of it that actually got people to spend money.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 31, 2022 15:12:16 GMT -5
It’s not even that, he swore up and down and would hear nothing to the contrary that Hulk v. Andre wasn’t the BEST in-ring performance at Mania 3 because that was the draw. The guy tried coming at him from every possible angle that maybe, just maybe Savage v. Steamboat was a better match. Nope. Hulk and Andre was the draw, so it’s automatically the best match. I don't understand the hate for his POV. He's saying the match that brought in all the money is the best match on the card. It's his opinion and he's looking at it from a financial point of view. It's no difference that Dave's Star Rating System which is also his opinion. Now, as a fan, I look at shows not just for money brought in, but for the performance. I think Savage/Steamboat was the best match on that card... but Hogan/Andre sold that show. I think we are just at a point where the older guys (80's 90s and maybe some of the 2000s) thought money was the most important thing in regards to pro wrestling. The new generation, no pun intended, care more about the action in the ring and, while money is obviously important, they also care much more about what happens between the ropes. This is just my opinion. But thast's the thing; you'll never see Meltzer picking fights with randos on twitter going "Nuh uh I gave this more stars, it's the better match". Al Snow will refuse to look at anything but the money and will ignore that other people can care about other things, that's where it goes from an opinion and a matter of differing priority to him being a dick about it. He's defined his own terms his way and he's arguing with them against other peoples' points that aren't his points, but he refuses to leave room for anyone else's view of the conversation to be valid even when they aren't shared by anyone else in this specific field.
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salz4life
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Post by salz4life on Aug 31, 2022 15:53:04 GMT -5
I don't understand the hate for his POV. He's saying the match that brought in all the money is the best match on the card. It's his opinion and he's looking at it from a financial point of view. It's no difference that Dave's Star Rating System which is also his opinion. Now, as a fan, I look at shows not just for money brought in, but for the performance. I think Savage/Steamboat was the best match on that card... but Hogan/Andre sold that show. I think we are just at a point where the older guys (80's 90s and maybe some of the 2000s) thought money was the most important thing in regards to pro wrestling. The new generation, no pun intended, care more about the action in the ring and, while money is obviously important, they also care much more about what happens between the ropes. This is just my opinion. But thast's the thing; you'll never see Meltzer picking fights with randos on twitter going "Nuh uh I gave this more stars, it's the better match". Al Snow will refuse to look at anything but the money and will ignore that other people can care about other things, that's where it goes from an opinion and a matter of differing priority to him being a dick about it. He's defined his own terms his way and he's arguing with them against other peoples' points that aren't his points, but he refuses to leave room for anyone else's view of the conversation to be valid even when they aren't shared by anyone else in this specific field. I don't know.... Meltzer is constantly responding/arguing to random Twitter trolls lately. Granted, it's probably because he thinks he can sell subscriptions to these people so he thinks it's worth it... but I think it makes him look lesser and lesser as time goes by. Just my opinion though and I do see your point.
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Post by evilone on Aug 31, 2022 16:44:37 GMT -5
Virgil. The guy was a glorified goon for most of his career, and he thinks his autograph is worth 25 dollars. It only took the last post of the second page to get the correct answer. And yet no one has noticed it.
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Aug 31, 2022 17:54:16 GMT -5
Virgil. The guy was a glorified goon for most of his career, and he thinks his autograph is worth 25 dollars. It only took the last post of the second page to get the correct answer. And yet no one has noticed it. Nah ,Virgil Virgil a grifter,it's much different
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 31, 2022 17:56:29 GMT -5
But thast's the thing; you'll never see Meltzer picking fights with randos on twitter going "Nuh uh I gave this more stars, it's the better match". Al Snow will refuse to look at anything but the money and will ignore that other people can care about other things, that's where it goes from an opinion and a matter of differing priority to him being a dick about it. He's defined his own terms his way and he's arguing with them against other peoples' points that aren't his points, but he refuses to leave room for anyone else's view of the conversation to be valid even when they aren't shared by anyone else in this specific field. I don't know.... Meltzer is constantly responding/arguing to random Twitter trolls lately. Granted, it's probably because he thinks he can sell subscriptions to these people so he thinks it's worth it... but I think it makes him look lesser and lesser as time goes by. Just my opinion though and I do see your point. He'll argue on stuff like "I literally never said this thing" or people insisting he's on AEW's pay roll, but not on matters of taste, exactly. Either way, yeah, Alvarez, Storm, etc, all try to reiterate to him that he really shouldn't pay any attention to guys with like 4 followers.
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salz4life
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Post by salz4life on Sept 1, 2022 8:34:13 GMT -5
I don't know.... Meltzer is constantly responding/arguing to random Twitter trolls lately. Granted, it's probably because he thinks he can sell subscriptions to these people so he thinks it's worth it... but I think it makes him look lesser and lesser as time goes by. Just my opinion though and I do see your point. He'll argue on stuff like "I literally never said this thing" or people insisting he's on AEW's pay roll, but not on matters of taste, exactly. Either way, yeah, Alvarez, Storm, etc, all try to reiterate to him that he really shouldn't pay any attention to guys with like 4 followers. Exactly... I'm not a huge fan of Meltzer, but he's earned his spot as one of (if not THE) top wrestling journalist out there. These dopey trolls don't deserve responses from him.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 1, 2022 12:17:03 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Teddy Hart, who is mostly known for being an egotistical and entitled prick. Fortunately, I think he’s become irrelevant again.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 1, 2022 12:45:40 GMT -5
We do need to separate entitled with grifter.
Virgil and Eric Bischoff are grifters, Jake Atlas and Mark Madden are entitled, Teddy Hart is both and more.
To add someone into this, Quackenbush. And this is despite the fact that a part of AEW's DNA is CHIKARA.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Sept 1, 2022 13:14:16 GMT -5
Sunny... What did she actually DO for wrestling besides look hot? Who did Sunny DO? Apparently Chris Candido, Shawn Michaels, Todd, Dolph Ziggler and may or may not have DONE Bret Hart
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Sept 1, 2022 14:17:08 GMT -5
Sunny... What did she actually DO for wrestling besides look hot? Who did Sunny DO? Apparently Chris Candido, Shawn Michaels, Todd, Dolph Ziggler and may or may not have DONE Bret Hart Davey Boy Smith and allegedly Ahmed Johnson.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 1, 2022 14:26:27 GMT -5
Shane Douglas talks a lot of shit for a guy that’s never had a match better than passable
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 1, 2022 18:01:40 GMT -5
Shane Douglas talks a lot of shit for a guy that’s never had a match better than passable That’s what always got me about his shoot bit in ECW. He was constantly talking shit about Flair and Hogan, and even at the time I was like, “Dude, they’re both bigger stars than you for a reason and it’s not because you were held back.”
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 1, 2022 20:29:12 GMT -5
Shane Douglas talks a lot of shit for a guy that’s never had a match better than passable That’s what always got me about his shoot bit in ECW. He was constantly talking shit about Flair and Hogan, and even at the time I was like, “Dude, they’re both bigger stars than you for a reason and it’s not because you were held back.” As a fan of Shane Douglas, yeah the guy was the quintessential big fish in a small pond, even more so than Gail Kim.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 20:34:15 GMT -5
There is an objectively correct answer here, and it is Brimstone.
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 1, 2022 21:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by cassonova on Sept 1, 2022 21:10:58 GMT -5
Does it come with custom boots? Holy poop. One of those sauces are called necrocide! I may have to try it for name alone!
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2022 21:29:07 GMT -5
For a guy whose short period of having the book resulted in arguably the worst era of ROH's product ever, Bully Ray sure thinks highly of himself.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 1, 2022 21:32:27 GMT -5
There is an objectively correct answer here, and it is Brimstone. yeah...
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