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Post by King Boo on Oct 15, 2022 20:03:34 GMT -5
I'm that unpopular guy that thinks the series should have stuck with the different story format of 3 and left Michael dead, but if you're advertising this as the final showdown between the two big characters, don't flake out. I won't pretend that I don't love me some Michael Myers films, but I completely agree with you. Carpenter's instinct was right, imo.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 15, 2022 20:31:57 GMT -5
I'm that unpopular guy that thinks the series should have stuck with the different story format of 3 and left Michael dead, but if you're advertising this as the final showdown between the two big characters, don't flake out. I won't pretend that I don't love me some Michael Myers films, but I completely agree with you. Carpenter's instinct was right, imo. Agreed. It’s really a shame that they waited one movie too long to do that concept
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 22:45:21 GMT -5
Let me guess; Halloween did not end tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 22:51:01 GMT -5
I can only guess what will happen if and when this makes money. Though...here's what I think. I actually LIKED the Corey angle...and it would have made sense...in its own story. Had H3:SOTW made money and they did do the anthology, I can see it being a Halloween IV. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Someone who accidentally killed people, gets harassed for doing so, then somehow becomes a real villain...it's a solid idea. But he got killed. Like I alluded to, if and when HE warrants making more movies...who gets to be the new killer?
As for that moment when Michael seems to mind meld with Corey...what was that about? One of the faults of keeping Myers around so long...like I said before, they tried to make him Jason-like with invincibility and super powers. Actually, the venom HE is getting reminds me that Halloween fans haven't changed in 40 years. "No Myers? No Halloween!" and all. Only thing is, like we saw with H3's failure and the clinging to the Myers story...how would you keep it fresh for the final confrontation? And even if I totally hated it, in a world where Resurrection and the Zombie films exist, I can't call it worst ever. Maybe 6 theatrical too. (4 and 5 I give a slight pass to because of Pleasance and Michael being back was still fresh) There's a little bit of a false comparison fallacy going on here, even if I understand why the comparison is being made. Season of the Witch's timing was an argument against it in 1982, but is an argument for it in 2022. Personally, I think Carpenter had the right idea in making Halloween an anthology series; the "sin" here was that it was one chapter too late while also being really close on the heels of Halloween II to be able to establish that in the minds of the audience. The mistake was made with Season of the Witch when they decided to make another Michael Myers story first. SOTW was behind the eight ball from the jump. At the same time, the story preceding it was only two chapters deep, with a conclusion that was clearly meant to be final. There wasn't all the history of the series, with all of its starts and stops and canon changes, yet. A change in focus that early on is really a positive for the movie in retrospect (or maybe for some forward thinkers at the time. I wouldn't know, I was born that November.) So not only did it not have all the decades of history before it that Halloween Ends had, it also never once touted itself as being a conclusion to anything. It certainly wasn't building on what came before it, either. The entire point of Halloween Ends, I thought, was to conclude a 40+ year rivalry between one of the biggest horror icons and one of the best final girls of all time. That was what they sold in big, bold letters to everyone. To then turn around and literally hide Michael for 90% of the movie, instead focusing on a character we just met for the first time and have no real reason to care about at the end of this epic story... yeah, you're going to get people annoyed that Michael Myers was basically non-existent in a Halloween movie. If they wanted to do a story like the one we got in Halloween Ends, it needed to not be the last movie in a trilogy, nor titled Halloween Ends. A lot of us were sitting there waiting for a conclusion to a story we've cared about, but got an introduction to and quick race through one we didn't ask for instead. Outside of the criminally short fight towards the very end, this movie had nothing to do with Michael vs. Laurie ending. In the case of SOTW, being let down by a lack of Michael Myers was kind of self-inflicted; in Halloween Ends, complaining about a complete lack of Michael Myers is more than justified. That one is all on the filmmakers. You know, this has "Jason Goes to Hell" all over it; they had all these crazy ideas in mind, but the execution was godawful. The difference was, unlike that movie, which was mired in copyright hell, this one was just out of laziness. You can't just introduce a character at the last minute and build around him when audiences have long established who they want to see.
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Post by King Boo on Oct 15, 2022 23:00:50 GMT -5
There's a little bit of a false comparison fallacy going on here, even if I understand why the comparison is being made. Season of the Witch's timing was an argument against it in 1982, but is an argument for it in 2022. Personally, I think Carpenter had the right idea in making Halloween an anthology series; the "sin" here was that it was one chapter too late while also being really close on the heels of Halloween II to be able to establish that in the minds of the audience. The mistake was made with Season of the Witch when they decided to make another Michael Myers story first. SOTW was behind the eight ball from the jump. At the same time, the story preceding it was only two chapters deep, with a conclusion that was clearly meant to be final. There wasn't all the history of the series, with all of its starts and stops and canon changes, yet. A change in focus that early on is really a positive for the movie in retrospect (or maybe for some forward thinkers at the time. I wouldn't know, I was born that November.) So not only did it not have all the decades of history before it that Halloween Ends had, it also never once touted itself as being a conclusion to anything. It certainly wasn't building on what came before it, either. The entire point of Halloween Ends, I thought, was to conclude a 40+ year rivalry between one of the biggest horror icons and one of the best final girls of all time. That was what they sold in big, bold letters to everyone. To then turn around and literally hide Michael for 90% of the movie, instead focusing on a character we just met for the first time and have no real reason to care about at the end of this epic story... yeah, you're going to get people annoyed that Michael Myers was basically non-existent in a Halloween movie. If they wanted to do a story like the one we got in Halloween Ends, it needed to not be the last movie in a trilogy, nor titled Halloween Ends. A lot of us were sitting there waiting for a conclusion to a story we've cared about, but got an introduction to and quick race through one we didn't ask for instead. Outside of the criminally short fight towards the very end, this movie had nothing to do with Michael vs. Laurie ending. In the case of SOTW, being let down by a lack of Michael Myers was kind of self-inflicted; in Halloween Ends, complaining about a complete lack of Michael Myers is more than justified. That one is all on the filmmakers. You know, this has "Jason Goes to Hell" all over it; they had all these crazy ideas in mind, but the execution was godawful. The difference was, unlike that movie, which was mired in copyright hell, this one was just out of laziness. You can't just introduce a character at the last minute and build around him when audiences have long established who they want to see. I'm honestly not sure if it was laziness or being too wrapped up in their own ideas to step back and see that they were well past the time for making this story work. Or maybe they just didn't care about that at all and said "screw it and screw you". It's probably that last one.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Oct 15, 2022 23:45:14 GMT -5
Does anyone have any relation to that little girl from like Halloween 5 era films? Who was she again? I have like bits and pieces of Halloween lore, but haven’t watched recently enough to remember anything.
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As for this movie. Strange ride. Like why was Micheal so pathetically weak? Dude got punched out by Corey and got his mask stolen. Then got murdered pretty quickly after his final reveal.
I thought dude was UNSTOPPABLE.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 16, 2022 0:21:27 GMT -5
Does anyone have any relation to that little girl from like Halloween 5 era films? Who was she again? I have like bits and pieces of Halloween lore, but haven’t watched recently enough to remember anything. — As for this movie. Strange ride. Like why was Micheal so pathetically weak? Dude got punched out by Corey and got his mask stolen. Then got murdered pretty quickly after his final reveal. I thought dude was UNSTOPPABLE. You would think so after the way he was John Cena booked in Kills I do like the little visual that the more he killed the stronger he got but that sort of flew in the face once Corey tackled him to the ground and took the mask
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Post by ace on Oct 16, 2022 0:44:59 GMT -5
The next Michael Myers movie is likely to be the first one in the series without either Loomis or Laurie appearing in some capacity.
Theyre both in 1 and 2 Loomis is in 4-6 Laurie is in 7 and 8 reboot versions of both are in 9 and 10 Laurie is in 11-13
Someone can do something totally new with it. Of course Resurrection is the one that we had where it was almost totally free of both. And with Laurie nowhere near Michael for any part of Kills that’s next closest. …. So maybe that’s not a good thing.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 16, 2022 0:54:57 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. What the utter shit was that?
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Post by King Boo on Oct 16, 2022 1:21:36 GMT -5
Does anyone have any relation to that little girl from like Halloween 5 era films? Who was she again? I have like bits and pieces of Halloween lore, but haven’t watched recently enough to remember anything. — As for this movie. Strange ride. Like why was Micheal so pathetically weak? Dude got punched out by Corey and got his mask stolen. Then got murdered pretty quickly after his final reveal. I thought dude was UNSTOPPABLE. You're thinking of Jamie. In that timeline, she's Laurie's daughter, but Laurie's dead.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Oct 16, 2022 2:31:53 GMT -5
So which movie do you guys think would be better received? Halloween Ends? Or Michael Myers in Space?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 16, 2022 2:50:08 GMT -5
My guess is that this movie was mostly born out of a desperate fumbling desire to try something new after Halloween Kills was poorly received, with little regard for whether people would actually like this new direction any more than the old one.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 16, 2022 7:51:29 GMT -5
Evil is barely in the movie tonight?! Evil took a vacation tonight And so did everyone else in House Of Torture.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 16, 2022 8:04:03 GMT -5
My guess is that this movie was mostly born out of a desperate fumbling desire to try something new after Halloween Kills was poorly received, with little regard for whether people would actually like this new direction any more than the old one. I don't know. I was at a test screening for Ends and participated in a focus group after and most people in the focus group liked it. Each of these movies had a different feel: Halloween 18 - homage to the original Halloween Kills - homage to slasher films Halloween Ends - homage to psychological thrillers like Christine They knew what they were doing. Whether people wanted it, that's up for debate, but they knew what they wanted to do. I think the marketing was a little disingenuous, especially after seeing the movie before even seeing a trailer or any marketing, but I enjoyed it.
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Post by pinja on Oct 16, 2022 9:03:53 GMT -5
The combined efforts of four writers: "That's pretty badly inflamed." "Hopefully it won't get inflamed." One minute between those lines.
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Post by tirtefaa on Oct 16, 2022 9:27:07 GMT -5
Halloween Ends? Or Michael Myers in Space? How about Halloween Rolls On? Halloween Hawaiian Style? Halloween in the Hood? Abbott and Costello Meet Michael Myers?
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 16, 2022 9:44:01 GMT -5
Halloween Ends? Or Michael Myers in Space? How about Halloween Rolls On? Halloween Hawaiian Style? Halloween in the Hood? Abbott and Costello Meet Michael Myers? Halloween in Another World aka Michael Myers Takes A Fantasy World
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Post by Clutchhausen on Oct 16, 2022 15:02:31 GMT -5
I liked it. It has a billion flaws though.
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Post by koreycaskets on Oct 16, 2022 15:06:20 GMT -5
Going to see it next weekend. Horror movies are the best on the big screen.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 16, 2022 15:33:30 GMT -5
The combined efforts of four writers: "That's pretty badly inflamed." "Hopefully it won't get inflamed." One minute between those lines. “I hope you find love”
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