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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2022 12:24:41 GMT -5
Yeahhhh I don’t get the whole “oh it’s an homage to season of the witch that it barely has any Michael in it” If they were planning on that, they shouldn’t have announced the movie as the conclusion to a 40 year story and promoted it with Michael Myers front and center in everything. But maybe that was their goal? I don’t know. JLC and Green were promoting the movie bragging that it’s going to piss people off. Cool? Great? Yeah and I think that is the big thing that's going to piss people off. With the way they kept saying it is the final showdown and the way they cut the trailer making us think that, that is not what we got If you wanted to do this, fine. Just don't label it as the finale or conclusion. You could got another film out of this if you wanted to go this route. As I said already, the ideas of this movie and majority of Kills is one you don't do when you have the OG Laurie at your disposal.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 15, 2022 13:05:42 GMT -5
I can only guess what will happen if and when this makes money. Though...here's what I think. I actually LIKED the Corey angle...and it would have made sense...in its own story. Had H3:SOTW made money and they did do the anthology, I can see it being a Halloween IV. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Someone who accidentally killed people, gets harassed for doing so, then somehow becomes a real villain...it's a solid idea. But he got killed. Like I alluded to, if and when HE warrants making more movies...who gets to be the new killer?
As for that moment when Michael seems to mind meld with Corey...what was that about? One of the faults of keeping Myers around so long...like I said before, they tried to make him Jason-like with invincibility and super powers. Actually, the venom HE is getting reminds me that Halloween fans haven't changed in 40 years. "No Myers? No Halloween!" and all. Only thing is, like we saw with H3's failure and the clinging to the Myers story...how would you keep it fresh for the final confrontation? And even if I totally hated it, in a world where Resurrection and the Zombie films exist, I can't call it worst ever. Maybe 6 theatrical too. (4 and 5 I give a slight pass to because of Pleasance and Michael being back was still fresh) There's a little bit of a false comparison fallacy going on here, even if I understand why the comparison is being made. Season of the Witch's timing was an argument against it in 1982, but is an argument for it in 2022. Personally, I think Carpenter had the right idea in making Halloween an anthology series; the "sin" here was that it was one chapter too late while also being really close on the heels of Halloween II to be able to establish that in the minds of the audience. The mistake was made with Season of the Witch when they decided to make another Michael Myers story first. SOTW was behind the eight ball from the jump. At the same time, the story preceding it was only two chapters deep, with a conclusion that was clearly meant to be final. There wasn't all the history of the series, with all of its starts and stops and canon changes, yet. A change in focus that early on is really a positive for the movie in retrospect (or maybe for some forward thinkers at the time. I wouldn't know, I was born that November.) So not only did it not have all the decades of history before it that Halloween Ends had, it also never once touted itself as being a conclusion to anything. It certainly wasn't building on what came before it, either. The entire point of Halloween Ends, I thought, was to conclude a 40+ year rivalry between one of the biggest horror icons and one of the best final girls of all time. That was what they sold in big, bold letters to everyone. To then turn around and literally hide Michael for 90% of the movie, instead focusing on a character we just met for the first time and have no real reason to care about at the end of this epic story... yeah, you're going to get people annoyed that Michael Myers was basically non-existent in a Halloween movie. If they wanted to do a story like the one we got in Halloween Ends, it needed to not be the last movie in a trilogy, nor titled Halloween Ends. A lot of us were sitting there waiting for a conclusion to a story we've cared about, but got an introduction to and quick race through one we didn't ask for instead. Outside of the criminally short fight towards the very end, this movie had nothing to do with Michael vs. Laurie ending. In the case of SOTW, being let down by a lack of Michael Myers was kind of self-inflicted; in Halloween Ends, complaining about a complete lack of Michael Myers is more than justified. That one is all on the filmmakers. Fair enough. I know the selling point of this movie, when back then, the Halloween franchise was more of a blank slate as to what was coming up next.
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Post by tntchamp on Oct 15, 2022 14:53:12 GMT -5
Yeahhhh I don’t get the whole “oh it’s an homage to season of the witch that it barely has any Michael in it” If they were planning on that, they shouldn’t have announced the movie as the conclusion to a 40 year story and promoted it with Michael Myers front and center in everything. But maybe that was their goal? I don’t know. JLC and Green were promoting the movie bragging that it’s going to piss people off. Cool? Great? Which is something I don't get. I know fans can be frustrating at times but I don't get the appeal of trying to intentionally piss off the people that support your product. It's counterproductive and disrespectful to the people that are fans of what you do. I would ask them how pissing off the fans is actually working for them, but it seems like ends is making money, so I guess Green and Curtis are laughing to the bank while probably playing the whole "years from now people will love it card" that every filmaker uses to defend their film from backlash. For this matter after how Green handled Halloween, I dread how he will approach the exorcist which is my second or third favorite horror movie. Granted I guess it can't be any worse then some of the other sequels.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 15, 2022 15:05:39 GMT -5
This was kinda meh. It wasn’t really “so stupid it’s funny” the way Kills was, it felt like they were deliberately trying to tone it down and make it more subtly creepy, I guess?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 15, 2022 15:10:18 GMT -5
The entire point of Halloween Ends, I thought, was to conclude a 40+ year rivalry between one of the biggest horror icons and one of the best final girls of all time. That was what they sold in big, bold letters to everyone. To then turn around and literally hide Michael for 90% of the movie, instead focusing on a character we just met for the first time and have no real reason to care about at the end of this epic story... yeah, you're going to get people annoyed that Michael Myers was basically non-existent in a Halloween movie. Yeah the whole movie I’m mainly thinking “who’s this geek? Why are they doing a ‘new generation of the Shape’ angle if this is supposed to be the big finale of the franchise?”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 15:18:03 GMT -5
Did anyone else get Psycho II vibes from the story? Not overtly dealing with character specifics…more the central question of Psycho II. Will society ever allow you to be anything other than what it labels you? Felt it was leaning heavily into Carpenter's Christine in some ways
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 15, 2022 15:18:10 GMT -5
The entire point of Halloween Ends, I thought, was to conclude a 40+ year rivalry between one of the biggest horror icons and one of the best final girls of all time. That was what they sold in big, bold letters to everyone. To then turn around and literally hide Michael for 90% of the movie, instead focusing on a character we just met for the first time and have no real reason to care about at the end of this epic story... yeah, you're going to get people annoyed that Michael Myers was basically non-existent in a Halloween movie. Yeah the whole movie I’m mainly thinking “who’s this geek? Why are they doing a ‘new generation of the Shape’ angle if this is supposed to be the big finale of the franchise?” I mean, I can see "drop hints during the main Myers story, then pay it off after Myers' demise." A little reminiscent of the Man in Black in Part 5. Like I said, the Corey story would be a lot more interesting if people weren't waiting for something else. Maybe make HE the final Laurie/Michael thing, have bits and pieces of Corey's backstory start throughout, then after Laurie talks about there always being a Shape, pay it off with showing how Corey has finally lost it after the accident(s) and being harassed as such. Villain for the new series established. The problem is, they ARE going to try more Halloween movies after this. There was nothing to tease at the end.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2022 15:21:42 GMT -5
Yeah the whole movie I’m mainly thinking “who’s this geek? Why are they doing a ‘new generation of the Shape’ angle if this is supposed to be the big finale of the franchise?” I mean, I can see "drop hints during the main Myers story, then pay it off after Myers' demise." A little reminiscent of the Man in Black in Part 5. Like I said, the Corey story would be a lot more interesting if people weren't waiting for something else. Maybe make HE the final Laurie/Michael thing, have bits and pieces of Corey's backstory start throughout, then after Laure talks about there always being a Shape, pay it off with showing how Corey has finally lost it after the accident(s) and being harassed as such. The problem is, they ARE going to try more Halloween movies after this. There was nothing to tease at the end. Well, if they are going to continue with the granddaughter they already threw it out there the "evil lives in us" angle so in theory anyone can become the new Michael However, they built a weird contrast between grounded reality and supernatural. Someone else could become the new "Shape" like Corey was going to be which idk why if you built him up why you didn't just keep the door open for him to be the granddaughter nemesis
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Post by King Boo on Oct 15, 2022 15:28:07 GMT -5
The entire point of Halloween Ends, I thought, was to conclude a 40+ year rivalry between one of the biggest horror icons and one of the best final girls of all time. That was what they sold in big, bold letters to everyone. To then turn around and literally hide Michael for 90% of the movie, instead focusing on a character we just met for the first time and have no real reason to care about at the end of this epic story... yeah, you're going to get people annoyed that Michael Myers was basically non-existent in a Halloween movie. Yeah the whole movie I’m mainly thinking “who’s this geek? Why are they doing a ‘new generation of the Shape’ angle if this is supposed to be the big finale of the franchise?” At first I just assumed he was gonna bite it in the opening. Then I figured he'd be some kind of impetus for Allyson's journey, whatever it was going to be (silly me, I thought they'd work with the Strode women thing they built up the first two movies). Then I eventually realized that no, he's inexplicably the focus of the conclusion of this story. Any interest I had plummeted because trying that story at this point was more than a day late and a dollar short. It's a shame, because it could have been interesting if built and paced right throughout the movies. The actor did well with what he was given, he just shouldn't have been given it in the first place.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 15, 2022 15:53:00 GMT -5
Hated this movie
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 15, 2022 16:45:20 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it and thought they stuck the landing. I think if Corey was her boyfriend from the beginning and this happened in this movie, it would have had more impact - or if this was the first movie.
I think a lot of people have "expectations" of what a Halloween movie should be, and when they deviate from the formula they lose their minds. It was fine.
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Post by King Boo on Oct 15, 2022 17:12:09 GMT -5
I don't really think my expectations are set particularly high by thinking that a movie about the end of Michael Myers and Laurie Strode would actually be about Michael Myers and Laurie Strode.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 15, 2022 18:40:54 GMT -5
From the spoilers and such, it might have been an interesting idea to have Haddonfield being infected with evil as the through line if it wasn't supposed to be this big ending.
Then again, I'm if the mind that Tommy Jarvis should have taken over for Jason after Friday 13 IV, so what do I know haha
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 15, 2022 18:42:36 GMT -5
Also, you only really have one shot to have a finale w Jamie Lee. She's 63 years old
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 15, 2022 18:46:06 GMT -5
Evil is barely in the movie tonight?!
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 15, 2022 18:46:42 GMT -5
I do think that Jamie Lee is f***ing fantastic in this movie.
She's great in the whole trilogy honestly.
This movie is good but it's biggest flaw is advertising it as the big epic finale when... it starts a whole new story and tacks on the finale.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 15, 2022 19:31:24 GMT -5
Evil is barely in the movie tonight?! Evil took a vacation tonight
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2022 19:39:31 GMT -5
Evil is barely in the movie tonight?! Evil took a vacation tonight Evil hibernates tonight
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 15, 2022 19:55:33 GMT -5
Evil took a vacation tonight Evil hibernates tonight Evil stays in tonight, it’s raining badly.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 15, 2022 19:58:29 GMT -5
I'm that unpopular guy that thinks the series should have stuck with the different story format of 3 and left Michael dead, but if you're advertising this as the final showdown between the two big characters, don't flake out.
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