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Post by SneakMan on Oct 16, 2022 16:26:44 GMT -5
Just got back from the theater...hoo boy. Was not a fan at all. Felt like two scripts awkwardly fused together. Either do your barely-disguised Christine remake starring Corey the fanfic lead (original character, do not steal) or do an actual fleshed out ending to what you set up in H18 and Kills. Trying to do both stories at once lead to neither being satisfying or enjoyable.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 16, 2022 16:38:39 GMT -5
See I keep seeing it said there were two plots in this film and honestly I see it as like 3-4-ish plots. Two of them are the overall ones, but one of these two plots has branching plots in and of itself.
You have the Corey plot and the Laurie plot. The Corey plot then splits into 1) a very bad romance plot, 2) the town’s desire(?)…need(?)…requirement(?) for a new boogeyman in Michael’s absence slowly morphing Corey into a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, and finally 2a(or 3)) the Corey and Michael Senpai Notice Me Batman & Robin Power Hour(I list it as 2a because it is an off branch of the Corey being corrupted into evil plot but it is such a jarring side step to that whole bit that it could be seen as its own thing as well).
This is a busy god damn film that knows not what it wants to actually be.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 17, 2022 0:09:02 GMT -5
On a scale of 1 to 10? It sucked.
It was better than Resurrection, and Zombie's movies, but it was not good. I liked Halloween (2018) and Kills, did not like this one.
All that build in Kills (and in Halloween with both movies being one night) that Michael may have actually became the boogeyman? All that shit Michael survived and brushed off that a normal person couldn't? Laurie saying that Michael transcended? That's all thrown away, and Michael's just a regular dude who was able to take all that punishment in one night. Shit, he's the secondary villain. The main villain is some cat we didn't meet till this movie, Corey even kicks Michael's ass. That kind of takes away from the Strodes kicking the shit out of Michael.
Allyson becomes an idiot. She falls in love with Corey at first sight, ignores all the warning signs that Corey is like Michael, and trusts him over Laurie. They regressed Allyson in this movie.
I don't have a problem with Michael having an apprentice, but Corey needed to be introduced in the 2018 one. A proper storyline of somebody developing into the new Michael would be good. Meet him in 2018 and over the course of the movies we see him develop, Allyson meets him sooner so their relationship is developed, and you start to see Corey's dark side come out at times. You build to the moment Corey puts on the mask.
Why the f*** is Haddonfield blaming Laurie for Michael's rampage? In the last one they wanted to kill Michael, and now everything Michael did was because Laurie provoked him.
Now let's go with some good stuff. The opening was good, Laurie vs Michael was good, and I liked them throwing Michael into the shredder.
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Post by Display Name on Oct 17, 2022 2:20:19 GMT -5
What did I just watch? I couldn’t get over that 15 year old puppy love shit, out of nowhere! What a weird movie.
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Post by King Devitt on Oct 17, 2022 2:40:09 GMT -5
God this movie had so much potential.
In there are some very interesting subjects....the nature of evil...Laurie being a curse on the town and never realizing because she was so focused on survival and killing Michael...Allyson wanting to reach out to someone who might understand what it's like to go through trauma....the idea and impact of survivor guilt...
and.....
They made THIS with it.
Very, very disappointing.
2018 was pretty good. Kills, while garbage, at least had some amazing..well...kills.
And this one... An hour and a half mcguffin just to bide time til the final act. It meant nothing in the end. It served no purpose. And only raised more questions because it was written so poorly.
MASSIVE dropped ball.
Props to the actors, and cinematographer though.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 17, 2022 9:39:51 GMT -5
How does Laurie defeat him so easily when before she had to have an entire house booby trapped to even stand a chance?
It felt like going the Childs Play route of having Myers’ guide our next generation boogeyman.
Disappointing movie.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 17, 2022 9:41:43 GMT -5
How does Laurie defeat him so easily when before she had to have an entire house booby trapped to even stand a chance? It felt like going the Childs Play route of having Myers’ guide our next generation boogeyman. Disappointing movie. Something something Michael was homeless and weakened.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 17, 2022 9:43:36 GMT -5
The HE Liked vs HE Hated camps are starting to rank up there in intensity with the Ghostbusters 2016 War. Maybe other things we cannot talk about. I do however agree that there needed to be more balance between Michael and setting up Corey {Spoiler}{Spoiler}(you know, if they didn't kill him off in the same movie) . I do see some Spider-Man 3 vibes now that I look back on it. Good ideas, but everything had to be stuffed in there. Things taking away attention from what previous movies set up. Things that could have built another movie being wasted. If there is a Taking Shape III...I'd love to see how the author defends HE. He even argued to find merit in Zombie H2.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 17, 2022 9:47:45 GMT -5
The HE Liked vs HE Hated camps are starting to rank up there in intensity with the Ghostbusters 2016 War. Maybe other things we cannot talk about. I do however agree that there needed to be more balance between Michael and setting up Corey {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}(you know, if they didn't kill him off in the same movie) . I do see some Spider-Man 3 vibes now that I look back on it. Good ideas, but everything had to be stuffed in there. Things taking away attention from what previous movies set up. Things that could have built another movie being wasted. If there is a Taking Shape III...I'd love to see how the author defends HE. He even argued to find merit in Zombie H2. I think there's an argument to be made that Corey should have been introduced in H18 and given a slower burn arc. I'm in agreement. I enjoyed it for what it was, though I think there could have been some trimming on the content.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 17, 2022 9:50:23 GMT -5
I am now trying to think of "epic confrontation" movies teased in trailers, only to amount to very little.
The aforementioned Spider-Man vs. Venom, I guess. And Spidey and "New Goblin"/Harry really didn't have one either, for that matter. And that was the one the previous two movies were building up.
How about Batman vs. Phantasm. I get that that's not how the movie was meant to go, but the trailers made her look like the next Big Bad. But B:MOTP just ended up being Bats vs. Joker again.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 17, 2022 9:52:30 GMT -5
The HE Liked vs HE Hated camps are starting to rank up there in intensity with the Ghostbusters 2016 War. Maybe other things we cannot talk about. I do however agree that there needed to be more balance between Michael and setting up Corey {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}(you know, if they didn't kill him off in the same movie) . I do see some Spider-Man 3 vibes now that I look back on it. Good ideas, but everything had to be stuffed in there. Things taking away attention from what previous movies set up. Things that could have built another movie being wasted. If there is a Taking Shape III...I'd love to see how the author defends HE. He even argued to find merit in Zombie H2. I think there's an argument to be made that Corey should have been introduced in H18 and given a slower burn arc. I'm in agreement. I enjoyed it for what it was, though I think there could have been some trimming on the content. Well...Halloween is known for that, isn't it? The Man in Black just showed up in Part 5, then boom, next movie goes all in about the Thorn Cult. I forget if there was any foreshadowing in Part 4, I doubt it. If anything, it was establishing Jamie as Michael's new target, leading to explaining Thorn and all.
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Post by pinja on Oct 17, 2022 10:19:45 GMT -5
How does Laurie defeat him so easily when before she had to have an entire house booby trapped to even stand a chance? It felt like going the Childs Play route of having Myers’ guide our next generation boogeyman. Disappointing movie. Something something Michael was homeless and weakened. I'd like to know if Maggle was supposed to be a stabby stab vampire that gets stronger by stabby stabbing people. Because he sure got drained fast in the end.
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Post by pinja on Oct 17, 2022 10:29:19 GMT -5
The combined efforts of four writers: "That's pretty badly inflamed." "Hopefully it won't get inflamed." One minute between those lines. “I hope you find love” That was such a Ronald thing to say. I guess.
Also: Blowtorch to the face of your friend. Unpleasant scene to watch and you're trapped under a fence. What do you say as a teenage girl? "Oh shit."
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Post by ace on Oct 17, 2022 10:47:41 GMT -5
Michael being weaker and Laurie being strong enough to beat him was the one thing I thought they got right, thematically. The longevity and strength of evil couldn’t outlast the strength of a survivor. It’s literally the only kind of beautiful message the new trilogy had to give. And it is the only thing that really pays off as a bookend for the original movie.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 17, 2022 14:19:51 GMT -5
Michael being weaker and Laurie being strong enough to beat him was the one thing I thought they got right, thematically. The longevity and strength of evil couldn’t outlast the strength of a survivor. It’s literally the only kind of beautiful message the new trilogy had to give. And it is the only thing that really pays off as a bookend for the original movie. I wonder if his powers transferring to C-man was what weakened him? Also, would that explain why C-man could see even though he didn’t have his glasses?* *insert witty my girl 2 reference here
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Post by pinja on Oct 17, 2022 14:28:30 GMT -5
Michael being weaker and Laurie being strong enough to beat him was the one thing I thought they got right, thematically. The longevity and strength of evil couldn’t outlast the strength of a survivor. It’s literally the only kind of beautiful message the new trilogy had to give. And it is the only thing that really pays off as a bookend for the original movie. I wonder if his powers transferring to C-man was what weakened him? Also, would that explain why C-man could see even though he didn’t have his glasses?* *insert witty my girl 2 reference here Imagine Corey being killed by bees with Nic Cage sneaking into frame, screaming "Not the bees!" while Maggle is on his knees crying.
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 17, 2022 14:31:48 GMT -5
I think there's an argument to be made that Corey should have been introduced in H18 and given a slower burn arc. I'm in agreement. I enjoyed it for what it was, though I think there could have been some trimming on the content. Well...Halloween is known for that, isn't it? The Man in Black just showed up in Part 5, then boom, next movie goes all in about the Thorn Cult. I forget if there was any foreshadowing in Part 4, I doubt it. If anything, it was establishing Jamie as Michael's new target, leading to explaining Thorn and all. There wasn't any Thorn or even Man in Black stuff in Part 4, no. It just gets retrospectively scooped together as the 'Thorn Trilogy'. I guess 'Jamie Trilogy' would be more accurate, but then Jamie gets sidelined and disposed of so poorly in 6 and 'Thorn Trilogy' sounds cooler, maybe. Still, makes it easier for me to treat Halloween 4 as its own thing without 5 & 6, which is a-okay by me.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 17, 2022 14:37:08 GMT -5
Well...Halloween is known for that, isn't it? The Man in Black just showed up in Part 5, then boom, next movie goes all in about the Thorn Cult. I forget if there was any foreshadowing in Part 4, I doubt it. If anything, it was establishing Jamie as Michael's new target, leading to explaining Thorn and all. There wasn't any Thorn or even Man in Black stuff in Part 4, no. It just gets retrospectively scooped together as the 'Thorn Trilogy'. I guess 'Jamie Trilogy' would be more accurate, but then Jamie gets sidelined and disposed of so poorly in 6 and 'Thorn Trilogy' sounds cooler, maybe. Still, makes it easier for me to treat Halloween 4 as its own thing without 5 & 6, which is a-okay by me. Didn't think so. Like you said, it all fits because Jamie was a part of all three movies. They mix in the Thorn stuff later.
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Post by bog on Oct 17, 2022 16:55:11 GMT -5
I would say I hated it but honestly I don't think it was interesting enough to hate. It just...exist
The last one wasn't a masterpiece but I still found it entertaining. I can't say the same for this. Had the same themes/ideas of the last (which they remind you of quite a few times) but without any of the horror/slashing I was looking for.
The intro was hilarious, though, in a dark way. And the end was cool.
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Post by ace on Oct 18, 2022 11:51:09 GMT -5
I saw someone on twitter bring it up and now I can’t stop thinking about it. This is the plot everyone wanted for Halloween 5. It also would have made a lot more sense in Halloween 5 and not in a movie presented as the 44 year payoff to Laurie Strode….but hey…you know what? This is the movie I wanted from Halloween 5 lol.
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