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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2022 11:01:24 GMT -5
I don’t see Yankees letting Judge walk away They will pay the premium knowing the last 2 seasons are most likely trash That one will depend on what Judge decides, but as for the Yankees, you're right. They're not letting him walk without offering up the premium. Even if the back end of the contract is questionable, there's the optics of Judge being the guy who developed within the system, rose through the ranks, made a name for himself after being called up, and over the years, come to establish himself as a team leader. Letting him walk would be bad publicity for the team. They'd be ripped to shreds for it. Not a Yankees fan, but what irks me most is how management publicized the negotiations. I don't agree with how they handled it. They are most likely going to overpay to keep him and give him all the honors you can as a Yankee as far as being the leader and captain. They were comfortable letting Cano walk because they had Gary, Judge etc there and didn’t see Cano as a leader. The Yankees respond to Judge and it would be a massive gut punch for him to walk Jeter is already on record saying he hates how Cashman has done that as he did it to him. Judge was not happy with how things went in the offseason and Cashman is going to have to pay double than what he offered originally to keep him. I still say if they gave him over $200M that would got it done but Cashman tried to lowball with around $150-$170 and now he’s probably going have to pay $350+ for over 7 years.
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Post by mc74 on Nov 15, 2022 11:28:45 GMT -5
That one will depend on what Judge decides, but as for the Yankees, you're right. They're not letting him walk without offering up the premium. Even if the back end of the contract is questionable, there's the optics of Judge being the guy who developed within the system, rose through the ranks, made a name for himself after being called up, and over the years, come to establish himself as a team leader. Letting him walk would be bad publicity for the team. They'd be ripped to shreds for it. Not a Yankees fan, but what irks me most is how management publicized the negotiations. I don't agree with how they handled it. They are most likely going to overpay to keep him and give him all the honors you can as a Yankee as far as being the leader and captain. They were comfortable letting Cano walk because they had Gary, Judge etc there and didn’t see Cano as a leader. The Yankees respond to Judge and it would be a massive gut punch for him to walk Jeter is already on record saying he hates how Cashman has done that as he did it to him. Judge was not happy with how things went in the offseason and Cashman is going to have to pay double than what he offered originally to keep him. I still say if they gave him over $200M that would got it done but Cashman tried to lowball with around $150-$170 and now he’s probably going have to pay $350+ for over 7 years. Needless to say, it was a dick move of management trying to save face and shift the blame on Judge in the event that he did walk. Not only that, but it's a move that pulls any leverage the player has because everyone now knows exactly what the starting number is, which usually anchors the price in at a certain point. Unfortunately for Yanks management, that tactic backfired in their faces and now they're the ones left with egg on their face. Judge called their bluff, bet on himself, and had a record-setting season. These negotiation by rights should've been discussed in private, but instead, Cashman went public with it and broke that trust.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2022 11:36:50 GMT -5
They are most likely going to overpay to keep him and give him all the honors you can as a Yankee as far as being the leader and captain. They were comfortable letting Cano walk because they had Gary, Judge etc there and didn’t see Cano as a leader. The Yankees respond to Judge and it would be a massive gut punch for him to walk Jeter is already on record saying he hates how Cashman has done that as he did it to him. Judge was not happy with how things went in the offseason and Cashman is going to have to pay double than what he offered originally to keep him. I still say if they gave him over $200M that would got it done but Cashman tried to lowball with around $150-$170 and now he’s probably going have to pay $350+ for over 7 years. Needless to say, it was a dick move of management trying to save face and shift the blame on Judge in the event that he did walk. Not only that, but it's a move that pulls any leverage the player has because everyone now knows exactly what the starting number is, which usually anchors the price in at a certain point. Unfortunately for Yanks management, that tactic backfired in their faces and now they're the ones left with egg on their face. Judge called their bluff, bet on himself, and had a record-setting season. These negotiation by rights should've been discussed in private, but instead, Cashman went public with it and broke that trust. Cashman thinks he is the team and majority of Yankee fans have been tired of it for a long time. When Boone goes, he needs to go as well. Yankees need a new vision. Also get rid of the stupid no beard and long hair rule. That’s not on him but the owners but yeah been time to get rid of that
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Post by mc74 on Nov 15, 2022 12:14:15 GMT -5
Needless to say, it was a dick move of management trying to save face and shift the blame on Judge in the event that he did walk. Not only that, but it's a move that pulls any leverage the player has because everyone now knows exactly what the starting number is, which usually anchors the price in at a certain point. Unfortunately for Yanks management, that tactic backfired in their faces and now they're the ones left with egg on their face. Judge called their bluff, bet on himself, and had a record-setting season. These negotiation by rights should've been discussed in private, but instead, Cashman went public with it and broke that trust. Cashman thinks he is the team and majority of Yankee fans have been tired of it for a long time. When Boone goes, he needs to go as well. Yankees need a new vision. Also get rid of the stupid no beard and long hair rule. That’s not on him but the owners but yeah been time to get rid of that Mattingly, I thought I told you to trim those sideburns! But yeah, the clean cut policy that was enforced under George's ownership needs to go. There are players that look absolutely God awful when they abide by the policy (Brian McCann, Lance Lynn, Cutch).
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Nov 15, 2022 16:18:39 GMT -5
Giants gave a $20 million qualifying offer to Joc Pederson of all people. Either they're going to just laugh off the Steve Cohen Tax or they're going to overspend to the point where all they can really afford is a few nice players and have to settle for AAAA players everywhere else. Basically the Angels of the NL. Joc might as well take it He will sit on the sidelines a lot longer until that draft pick compensation runs out and it isn't worth it. I can't see him having some type of deal in place already Immediately took it. Can’t wait until he’s the splashy signing of this offseason!
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Post by ghost on Nov 15, 2022 16:21:33 GMT -5
Rizzo back with the Yankees on a multi year deal according to Ken Rosenthal.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2022 16:34:04 GMT -5
Rizzo back with the Yankees on a multi year deal according to Ken Rosenthal. Edit: Not a bad deal
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2022 18:45:23 GMT -5
Joc might as well take it He will sit on the sidelines a lot longer until that draft pick compensation runs out and it isn't worth it. I can't see him having some type of deal in place already Immediately took it. Can’t wait until he’s the splashy signing of this offseason! Him and Perez were the only ones to take it out of the 14 free agents
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2022 18:47:35 GMT -5
Tyler Anderson signs 3 year deal for $39M with Angels
He was issued a QO so Angels will lose a 2nd round pick
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2022 18:53:32 GMT -5
Hal basically told the owners f*** around and find out in regards to him not getting priced out for Judge
Yankees have checked In on Nimmo, Bogearts, Correa and Turner
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Post by horsemen4ever on Nov 15, 2022 19:50:08 GMT -5
The Rizzo signing could be a hint at Aaron Judge is coming back, it has been speculated that if Judge left, Rizzo would leave too. We will see.
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Post by mc74 on Nov 16, 2022 8:53:23 GMT -5
Rizzo back with the Yankees on a multi year deal according to Ken Rosenthal. Edit: Not too shabby.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 16, 2022 10:12:25 GMT -5
Yanks missed out on Verlander last offseason so I can see them giving him a Scherzer deal for 2 years if they really want him
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Post by ghost on Nov 16, 2022 10:48:07 GMT -5
Blue Jays have traded Teoscar Hernandez to Seattle.
That's a huge bat for the Mariners who need offense badly. Not sure why the Jays are trading him, but no word on the return yet.
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Post by mc74 on Nov 16, 2022 11:05:48 GMT -5
To SEA: Teoscar Hernandez To TOR: Erik Swanson + Adam Macko
Doubt the Jays would've kept Hernandez at $20M, but Jesus f***, what an awful return. Well, I wouldn't call it a return as this is basically a salary dump. A Silver slugger no less. -___-
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Post by sfvega on Nov 16, 2022 11:10:57 GMT -5
This deal is exactly what the Mariners needed. They badly needed another big bat, now they just need a balanced left-handed bat and their line-up will look very competitive.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 16, 2022 12:25:05 GMT -5
To SEA: Teoscar Hernandez To TOR: Erik Swanson + Adam Macko Doubt the Jays would've kept Hernandez at $20M, but Jesus f***, what an awful return. Well, I wouldn't call it a return as this is basically a salary dump. A Silver slugger no less. -___- Swanson was an elite reliever but relievers are so volatile from year to year that is a fleece move....that speaks to Toronto just deciding they didn't wanna pay the guy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 16, 2022 13:39:18 GMT -5
Astros owner basically confirms Verlander is seeking a Max Scherzer type deal
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 16, 2022 13:49:17 GMT -5
To SEA: Teoscar Hernandez To TOR: Erik Swanson + Adam Macko Doubt the Jays would've kept Hernandez at $20M, but Jesus f***, what an awful return. Well, I wouldn't call it a return as this is basically a salary dump. A Silver slugger no less. -___- Pissed off at this move because it's stupid to get rid of Teoscar for that little of a return
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 16, 2022 13:58:15 GMT -5
To SEA: Teoscar Hernandez To TOR: Erik Swanson + Adam Macko Doubt the Jays would've kept Hernandez at $20M, but Jesus f***, what an awful return. Well, I wouldn't call it a return as this is basically a salary dump. A Silver slugger no less. -___- Swanson was an elite reliever but relievers are so volatile from year to year that is a fleece move....that speaks to Toronto just deciding they didn't wanna pay the guy. I *think* the Blue Jays were a bit eaten on the Swanson part of the deal. Yes, he's a good reliever... but not a guy you would put out there in high leverage situations (Mariners had Muñoz, Sewald, Castillo and Brash handling most of those). Also he's mostly a flyball pitcher and going to Toronto might hurt his numbers as well. Dunno if I'd make him a setup/closer type. Macko... he was the #8 prospect for the Mariners, but the farm system got drained hard the last couple of years (J-Rod/Kirby/Gilbert/Kelenic/Raleigh/Trammell all making to the bigs, trading Marte and others) with injuries and spotty command but is a 21 yo lefty with a great curveball so... long term project maybe? And Hernandez is absolutely a potential boon for the Mariners offense, especially if he can limit his strikeout rate. He's like a more durable and more strikeout prone version of Mitch Haniger (with some speed), so he might help stabilize the offense. It will all still depend if we can get a good/great middle infielder and a lefty outfielder to compliment.
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