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Post by Cyno on Dec 2, 2022 11:33:15 GMT -5
BTW, has anyone done the math on how the Big Bang Theory lead-in bolsters the overall rating? I'd imagine it helps to an extent. In terms of total viewership this week, the Q1 number was over a million before dropping to the 800k range. It's not quite as dramatic a dip with the demo, but it's still the highest recorded quarter hour there, too. It definitely skews things in AEW's favor. And looking at Showbuzz's charts, it was indeed a weird night for Cable TV. 0.26 usually isn't good enough to be #3 for the night. Though their data set is also missing World Cup numbers apparently. Maybe something was weird with Nielsen or Showbuzz's data collection on Wednesday because they still don't have the broadcast ratings numbers and those usually get released well ahead of cable numbers.
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Post by clifford on Dec 2, 2022 11:43:12 GMT -5
It’s more like 3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible. Hell yeah a Chernobyl reference.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 2, 2022 12:11:32 GMT -5
Dynamite was third place, College Basketball took the first 2 spots.
They might not be 3rd. That chart is missing a bunch of channels. The World Cup on FS1, MTV with the Challenge, FOX news, MSNBC, etc.
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Post by ElmerFudd on Dec 2, 2022 12:25:00 GMT -5
BTW, has anyone done the math on how the Big Bang Theory lead-in bolsters the overall rating? I'd imagine it helps to an extent. In terms of total viewership this week, the Q1 number was over a million before dropping to the 800k range. It's not quite as dramatic a dip with the demo, but it's still the highest recorded quarter hour there, too. It definitely skews things in AEW's favor. And looking at Showbuzz's charts, it was indeed a weird night for Cable TV. 0.26 usually isn't good enough to be #3 for the night. Though their data set is also missing World Cup numbers apparently. Maybe something was weird with Nielsen or Showbuzz's data collection on Wednesday because they still don't have the broadcast ratings numbers and those usually get released well ahead of cable numbers. They should open Dynamite one week with a tag match of Sheldon Cooper and Leonard Hofstadter vs Howard Wolowitz and Raj Koothrappali with Penny as the Referee and The Big Bang Theory Audience would be so mindblown they would never turn the channel again.
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Post by r. on Dec 2, 2022 12:59:01 GMT -5
Seems strange to me; last week made sense with Thanksgiving Eve, even outperformed many predictions, but why the low number this week? Hate to say it, but it's possible that Punk being out might've taken a portion of the audience away. Doesn't mean he should be brought back, mind you, but him leaving and the "soft reset" of the show's direction since All Out seems like it'll take some time to take with the viewing audience. Because everything is fine.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 2, 2022 13:10:55 GMT -5
Yeah that’s not great. The demo number which they always hang their hat on is what’s really telling. I really just feel like the show doesn’t have the kind of electricity it had. There’s a lot of reasons for that but the stories right now for people up and down the card are just kinda whatever. I know we all love good matches but I wish The Elite were in, like, an actual angle with things to do. They could have got a lot more out of their return. Obviously you don't want brawl out to happen but once it does and everyone has been suspended the one positive is that you've then got a big return to look forward to which is always exciting. With all the hype they had I really think The Elite should have started some major angle upon returning to shake things up. Instead they're just having a bunch of matches with guys we've seen them wrestle consistently for years now. I'm not sure they've even spoken yet. There seems to be a disconnect between "but it'll be a banger!" fans and fans who don't automatically care about every good match. Like I saw someone days ago who said Danielson v Dax does nothing for them and was met with "if you're not excited for that match then just stop watching because you're not a wrestling fan." The best of 7 is in a similar lane. Give me a 3 star match with a story I'm invested in over a 4 star match I don't care about any day. I remember a Roman Reigns/Sheamus PPV main event years ago were they were working their asses off to put on a hard hitting war. It was objectively a well worked match. I just didn't care about either of them or their storyline at the time though so I couldn't get into the match. Now obviously not every match needs some monumental story but with The Elite specifically right now I think it would have been way better for ratings if they returned to a hot story instead of this best of 7 taking up 2 months. I just don't really care either way whether they or Death Triangle win in the end. They're just random good matches but good matches on TV aren't even special in this day and age like they would've been 20 years ago.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 2, 2022 13:24:51 GMT -5
Yeah that’s not great. The demo number which they always hang their hat on is what’s really telling. I really just feel like the show doesn’t have the kind of electricity it had. There’s a lot of reasons for that but the stories right now for people up and down the card are just kinda whatever. I know we all love good matches but I wish The Elite were in, like, an actual angle with things to do. They could have got a lot more out of their return. Obviously you don't want brawl out to happen but once it does and everyone has been suspended the one positive is that you've then got a big return to look forward to which is always exciting. With all the hype they had I really think The Elite should have started some major angle upon returning to shake things up. Instead they're just having a bunch of matches with guys we've seen them wrestle consistently for years now. I'm not sure they've even spoken yet. There seems to be a disconnect between "but it'll be a banger!" fans and fans who don't automatically care about every good match. Like I saw someone days ago who said Danielson v Dax does nothing for them and was met with "if you're not excited for that match then just stop watching because you're not a wrestling fan." The best of 7 is in a similar lane. Give me a 3 star match with a story I'm invested in over a 4 star match I don't care about any day. I remember a Roman Reigns/Sheamus PPV main event years ago were they were working their asses off to put on a hard hitting war. It was objectively a well worked match. I just didn't care about either of them or their storyline at the time though so I couldn't get into the match. Now obviously not every match needs some monumental story but with The Elite specifically right now I think it would have been way better for ratings if they returned to a hot story instead of this best of 7 taking up 2 months. I just don't really care either way whether they or Death Triangle win in the end. They're just random good matches but good matches on TV aren't even special in this day and age like they would've been 20 years ago. that HAS been the case forever witb every division which is why I say TK does safe booking. He never has a big reveal that upsets things ,a story that shirts everything upside down or changes the status quo The closest was Jade but she is basically isolated into her own world Remember when Mr Brodie Lee debuted and destroyed Cody and the title? The dark order actually felt like a big change in the company ,we need that. And " is he champion gonna leave the company?" Is not a compelling story
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 2, 2022 14:13:15 GMT -5
They could have got a lot more out of their return. Obviously you don't want brawl out to happen but once it does and everyone has been suspended the one positive is that you've then got a big return to look forward to which is always exciting. With all the hype they had I really think The Elite should have started some major angle upon returning to shake things up. Instead they're just having a bunch of matches with guys we've seen them wrestle consistently for years now. I'm not sure they've even spoken yet. There seems to be a disconnect between "but it'll be a banger!" fans and fans who don't automatically care about every good match. Like I saw someone days ago who said Danielson v Dax does nothing for them and was met with "if you're not excited for that match then just stop watching because you're not a wrestling fan." The best of 7 is in a similar lane. Give me a 3 star match with a story I'm invested in over a 4 star match I don't care about any day. I remember a Roman Reigns/Sheamus PPV main event years ago were they were working their asses off to put on a hard hitting war. It was objectively a well worked match. I just didn't care about either of them or their storyline at the time though so I couldn't get into the match. Now obviously not every match needs some monumental story but with The Elite specifically right now I think it would have been way better for ratings if they returned to a hot story instead of this best of 7 taking up 2 months. I just don't really care either way whether they or Death Triangle win in the end. They're just random good matches but good matches on TV aren't even special in this day and age like they would've been 20 years ago. that HAS been the case forever witb every division which is why I say TK does safe booking. He never has a big reveal that upsets things ,a story that shirts everything upside down or changes the status quo The closest was Jade but she is basically isolated into her own world Remember when Mr Brodie Lee debuted and destroyed Cody and the title? The dark order actually felt like a big change in the company ,we need that. And " is he champion gonna leave the company?" Is not a compelling story With the mysterious video packages it kinda seemed like The Elite were pissed off at being "deleted" by AEW and would raise hell on the company when they returned. Something major. Then PAC offhandedly announces they'll have a match at the PPV and they return smiling like nothing happened so I'm not even sure what the vibe of those vignettes was about. 2 weeks in and their return doesn't exactly feel as huge as it could have been if they shot some big angle rather than just have them wrestle matches. Punk's first few months were another example. With the hype and excitement they had at the time they were doing their best numbers ever. I think they should have capitalized more and put him in some major company shaking story to hopefully hook the new fans into sticking around permanently. Instead it was months of "we'll hear from CM Punk" or 10-15 minute matches with QT Marshall or Bobby Fish on TV. When you're at a peak level of hype whether it's for on or off screen reasons you hopefully put your best foot forward to get any new eyeballs to keep watching. I remember WWE getting massive ratings and buyrates for the Invasion because people were so excited then what actually happened was nowhere near as exciting as what people were expecting and a bunch of those fans tuned out within a month or two.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 2, 2022 14:36:06 GMT -5
There seems to be a disconnect between "but it'll be a banger!" fans and fans who don't automatically care about every good match. Like I saw someone days ago who said Danielson v Dax does nothing for them and was met with "if you're not excited for that match then just stop watching because you're not a wrestling fan." The best of 7 is in a similar lane. Give me a 3 star match with a story I'm invested in over a 4 star match I don't care about any day. I remember a Roman Reigns/Sheamus PPV main event years ago were they were working their asses off to put on a hard hitting war. It was objectively a well worked match. I just didn't care about either of them or their storyline at the time though so I couldn't get into the match. Yeah, this does a lot to explain my mindset on it. Way I look at it is why would I care about Bryan vs. Dax? One of them absolutely never wins singles matches and the other only gets puffed up so he can endlessly put over the next project of the month before Tony squanders it afterward. There's no doubt about the finish and it means nothing, why care?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 2, 2022 14:36:06 GMT -5
With the mysterious video packages it kinda seemed like The Elite were pissed off at being "deleted" by AEW and would raise hell on the company when they returned. Something major. Then PAC offhandedly announces they'll have a match at the PPV and they return smiling like nothing happened so I'm not even sure what the vibe of those vignettes was about. 2 weeks in and their return doesn't exactly feel as huge as it could have been if they shot some big angle rather than just have them wrestle matches. The only new thing about the Elite is their obscenely long entrance with licensed song. Like. Ok. Cool. I guess. There’s nothing to grab onto or hook you into the next week or god forbid Rampage. Your biggest stars are just having matches with the same guys every week for some reason and the world title’s story at the moment is that the guy might leave and punched an old guy he won’t be wrestling
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 15:33:12 GMT -5
There seems to be a disconnect between "but it'll be a banger!" fans and fans who don't automatically care about every good match. Like I saw someone days ago who said Danielson v Dax does nothing for them and was met with "if you're not excited for that match then just stop watching because you're not a wrestling fan." The best of 7 is in a similar lane. Give me a 3 star match with a story I'm invested in over a 4 star match I don't care about any day. I remember a Roman Reigns/Sheamus PPV main event years ago were they were working their asses off to put on a hard hitting war. It was objectively a well worked match. I just didn't care about either of them or their storyline at the time though so I couldn't get into the match. Yeah, this does a lot to explain my mindset on it. Way I look at it is why would I care about Bryan vs. Dax? One of them absolutely never wins singles matches and the other only gets puffed up so he can endlessly put over the next project of the month before Tony squanders it afterward. There's no doubt about the finish and it means nothing, why care? Absolutely the same mindset I have as well. I can't believe I have had hardly no interest in some matches that are legit dream matches on paper due to it just being a "look what I can do" situation. Definitely true that fandom can exist without the in ring work being the prime factor.
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Post by raymondo316 on Dec 2, 2022 16:06:11 GMT -5
that HAS been the case forever witb every division which is why I say TK does safe booking. He never has a big reveal that upsets things ,a story that shirts everything upside down or changes the status quo The closest was Jade but she is basically isolated into her own world Remember when Mr Brodie Lee debuted and destroyed Cody and the title? The dark order actually felt like a big change in the company ,we need that. And " is he champion gonna leave the company?" Is not a compelling story With the mysterious video packages it kinda seemed like The Elite were pissed off at being "deleted" by AEW and would raise hell on the company when they returned. Something major. Then PAC offhandedly announces they'll have a match at the PPV and they return smiling like nothing happened so I'm not even sure what the vibe of those vignettes was about. 2 weeks in and their return doesn't exactly feel as huge as it could have been if they shot some big angle rather than just have them wrestle matches. Punk's first few months were another example. With the hype and excitement they had at the time they were doing their best numbers ever. I think they should have capitalized more and put him in some major company shaking story to hopefully hook the new fans into sticking around permanently. Instead it was months of "we'll hear from CM Punk" or 10-15 minute matches with QT Marshall or Bobby Fish on TV.When you're at a peak level of hype whether it's for on or off screen reasons you hopefully put your best foot forward to get any new eyeballs to keep watching. I remember WWE getting massive ratings and buyrates for the Invasion because people were so excited then what actually happened was nowhere near as exciting as what people were expecting and a bunch of those fans tuned out within a month or two. One of Tony's most bizarre decisions was the card he decided to put on for Punk's Dynamite debut.
You have all these extra eyes on the product watching because Punk has returned, so surely you would put on a top card and best show possible to get these "new fans" hooked.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 2, 2022 17:04:44 GMT -5
With the mysterious video packages it kinda seemed like The Elite were pissed off at being "deleted" by AEW and would raise hell on the company when they returned. Something major. Then PAC offhandedly announces they'll have a match at the PPV and they return smiling like nothing happened so I'm not even sure what the vibe of those vignettes was about. 2 weeks in and their return doesn't exactly feel as huge as it could have been if they shot some big angle rather than just have them wrestle matches. Punk's first few months were another example. With the hype and excitement they had at the time they were doing their best numbers ever. I think they should have capitalized more and put him in some major company shaking story to hopefully hook the new fans into sticking around permanently. Instead it was months of "we'll hear from CM Punk" or 10-15 minute matches with QT Marshall or Bobby Fish on TV.When you're at a peak level of hype whether it's for on or off screen reasons you hopefully put your best foot forward to get any new eyeballs to keep watching. I remember WWE getting massive ratings and buyrates for the Invasion because people were so excited then what actually happened was nowhere near as exciting as what people were expecting and a bunch of those fans tuned out within a month or two. One of Tony's most bizarre decisions was the card he decided to put on for Punk's Dynamite debut. You have all these extra eyes on the product watching because Punk has returned, so surely you would put on a top card and best show possible to get these "new fans" hooked.
That legit looks like a bunch of Dark matches. I guess the thinking was people are going to tune in anyway for Punk's Dynamite debut so there's no point wasting anything else too big. I don't agree with that though. I think if you know you've got a bigger audience than normal you should go all out to try and keep them the next week. It's not quite Raw 25 bad though. They knew they were going to have one of their biggest ratings in years so with all those casual fans tuning in to see the old stars you'd think they'd want to put on some exciting stuff to keep people interested in the following weeks but instead they put on one of their worst episodes ever.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 2, 2022 17:05:51 GMT -5
With the mysterious video packages it kinda seemed like The Elite were pissed off at being "deleted" by AEW and would raise hell on the company when they returned. Something major. Then PAC offhandedly announces they'll have a match at the PPV and they return smiling like nothing happened so I'm not even sure what the vibe of those vignettes was about. 2 weeks in and their return doesn't exactly feel as huge as it could have been if they shot some big angle rather than just have them wrestle matches. The only new thing about the Elite is their obscenely long entrance with licensed song. Like. Ok. Cool. I guess. There’s nothing to grab onto or hook you into the next week or god forbid Rampage. Your biggest stars are just having matches with the same guys every week for some reason and the world title’s story at the moment is that the guy might leave and punched an old guy he won’t be wrestling Elite/Death Triangle do have a storyline, and it's been revolving around Death Triangles willingness or not to cheat to win, which has won them and cost them matches in the Best of Seven. It's also escalated how the matches have gone as match 3 just broke down into an immediate brawl. The main title picture is clearly going to be MJF vs Bryan Danielson very soon off of the whole "Punched an old guy" thing, and even before that, MJF pumped up Starks, Kingston, and Danielson in the promo this week, wasn't like he wasn't planting seeds for multiple feuds this week.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 2, 2022 17:09:41 GMT -5
Seems strange to me; last week made sense with Thanksgiving Eve, even outperformed many predictions, but why the low number this week? Hate to say it, but it's possible that Punk being out might've taken a portion of the audience away. Doesn't mean he should be brought back, mind you, but him leaving and the "soft reset" of the show's direction since All Out seems like it'll take some time to take with the viewing audience. Because everything is fine. I mean in general it is. We put way too much stock in a companies future off of isolated ratings if they're not what is expected at all times. Was a bad Wednesday in cable almost all around too, the updated chart showed that, and some things are weirdly still missing.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 2, 2022 17:10:01 GMT -5
Looking at the quarter hours, other than the huge drop following the lead in, the decrease was rather slow and steady. I don't think blaming any single wrestler or angle is supported by the ratings. If there's a problem with the ratings, it's a company problem. Not a MJF/Elite/whoever else we're trying to scapegoat.
I haven't been as hot on AEW recently because it's been feeling less and less like the AEW I fell in love with. I think the last couple of weeks have largely been more on track though. I don't know if others have felt the same as me and they tuned out.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 2, 2022 17:16:50 GMT -5
Not so much talking about FAN but I'm baffled by the people who seem to absolutely thrive on AEW getting a low TV rating. It's not for everyone and you don't have to like AEW but actively rooting for its failure is just so strange to me.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 2, 2022 17:21:29 GMT -5
Not so much talking about FAN but I'm baffled by the people who seem to absolutely thrive on AEW getting a low TV rating. It's not for everyone and you don't have to like AEW but actively rooting for its failure is just so strange to me. Right? I feel like the ratings are interesting for spitballing about what works, what doesn't, whether what I'm seeing (including the parts I don't like) makes sense in regards to the business side of things - just, y'know, there's a lot there that's kind of fascinating. And some people just see it as the points scored in a ratings competition that benefits nobody.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 2, 2022 17:31:04 GMT -5
Not so much talking about FAN but I'm baffled by the people who seem to absolutely thrive on AEW getting a low TV rating. It's not for everyone and you don't have to like AEW but actively rooting for its failure is just so strange to me. Right? I feel like the ratings are interesting for spitballing about what works, what doesn't, whether what I'm seeing (including the parts I don't like) makes sense in regards to the business side of things - just, y'know, there's a lot there that's kind of fascinating. And some people just see it as the points scored in a ratings competition that benefits nobody. I also hate the notion of "I hate this, this isn't working for me, therefore that is the reason the ratings are low and they need to stop doing that/fix it" Ratings are such a f***ing fickle mistress that it's impossible to blame ratings drops on acts, angles, or anything at that given time. Most times, people just switch over when commercial breaks happen, no matter WHAT is airing, which is why the dropoff usually happens after quarter 1 or 2. And it should be noted, while Nielson is a metric, it's not the only metric, and does not factor in all viewers at all times. I don't have a Nielson box, my viewership doesn't show up on these charts, it's something advertisers look at, it's something that's viewed as important for certain metrics, but it's not the end all be all, and they should not be treated as such for if a show is going to live or die let alone doing that by the week
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 2, 2022 18:00:01 GMT -5
Show ended up being #5 for the night so guess it was just a down night for cable in general, though on the whole AEW ratings do definitely seem to be going through a bit of a rough patch.
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