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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 4, 2023 8:04:20 GMT -5
People actually thought David Starr before he got me-too’ed wasn’t just a generic but passable worker with a bland look and a cornball “I’m-so-smarter-than-you” Redditer gimmick.
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Post by chrom on Mar 4, 2023 8:04:42 GMT -5
Aren't there people still defending that spot? Weren't people bringing it up again with the Anna Jay powrbomb table spot and using it as some weird defence for both or something? (is that right? Don't watch a lot of AEW) Anna's at least a wrestler and it was more that the powerbomb wasn't lined up ideally. Dixie's spot happened as planned and she got seriously injured because it was a stupid idea in the first place. And they never even practiced or tried it out beforehand.
That woman's delusional ego is on another level.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Mar 4, 2023 8:05:59 GMT -5
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Mar 4, 2023 8:30:23 GMT -5
People actually thought David Starr before he got me-too’ed wasn’t just a generic but passable worker with a bland look and a cornball “I’m-so-smarter-than-you” Redditer gimmick. 2020 might as well have been a 10 year timelapse of nature changing in wrestling because it is hilarious to remember the mini wave of wrestlers who were trying to be Twitter personalities as much as they were wrestlers. Hell.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 4, 2023 8:46:16 GMT -5
somber one: it boggles me how many people out there still talk up what a great wrestler Chris Benoit is and try to get people to ignore what he did.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 4, 2023 9:23:48 GMT -5
somber one: it boggles me how many people out there still talk up what a great wrestler Chris Benoit is and try to get people to ignore what he did. Yes. This is all over YouTube and Instagram, the latter being full of fan/tribute pages. Just recently I have been able to watch clips from some of his older matches in Japan, and I can enjoy the work for what it is, but I can't look at Benoit and think "what an amazing talent" because of the horrible acts he committed. The murder/suicide completely overrides any accomplishments he achieved in the wrestling industry, yet there are so many out there who think he should in the Hall of Fame, or otherwise celebrated, because he wrestled really well. Madness.
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Post by malloc on Mar 4, 2023 9:46:47 GMT -5
Anna's at least a wrestler and it was more that the powerbomb wasn't lined up ideally. Dixie's spot happened as planned and she got seriously injured because it was a stupid idea in the first place. And they never even practiced or tried it out beforehand. That woman's delusional ego is on another level.
So was Bubba being an arsehole by going "well ok boss if you don't want to practice that's on you"? Should Bubba have refused to do the sport or did he think he was going to be able to protect her? What are peoples opinions on this?
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 4, 2023 9:55:27 GMT -5
And they never even practiced or tried it out beforehand. That woman's delusional ego is on another level.
So was Bubba being an arsehole by going "well ok boss if you don't want to practice that's on you"? Should Bubba have refused to do the sport or did he think he was going to be able to protect her? What are peoples opinions on this? I think he overestimated his ability to protect her, probably since he'd done it to Mae Young. Thing is, though, Mae was still at least a wrestler, even if she was much older than Dixie, and Bubba was, well, also a lot fatter when he did it to her, so he was able to absorb the impact more with her than he could with Dixie.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Mar 4, 2023 9:59:16 GMT -5
Vince Russo.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Mar 4, 2023 10:16:33 GMT -5
Triple H’s reign of terror
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 4, 2023 13:20:23 GMT -5
somber one: it boggles me how many people out there still talk up what a great wrestler Chris Benoit is and try to get people to ignore what he did. Yes. This is all over YouTube and Instagram, the latter being full of fan/tribute pages. Just recently I have been able to watch clips from some of his older matches in Japan, and I can enjoy the work for what it is, but I can't look at Benoit and think "what an amazing talent" because of the horrible acts he committed. The murder/suicide completely overrides any accomplishments he achieved in the wrestling industry, yet there are so many out there who think he should in the Hall of Fame, or otherwise celebrated, because he wrestled really well. Madness. Agreed. Like, it's one thing to be like Brian Zane where he can watch old matches on his retro reviews and be objective about them without making a bunch of asides praising Benoit. It's an entire different matter to either downplay or even deny the central, defining final act of his life like it was just some kind of mild aberration and we should just keep heaping praise on him after the fact.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 4, 2023 13:35:07 GMT -5
somber one: it boggles me how many people out there still talk up what a great wrestler Chris Benoit is and try to get people to ignore what he did. My rebuttal to that is that John Wilkes Booth deserves a lifetime achievement Tony Award too.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 4, 2023 13:40:04 GMT -5
It's weird that despite Lita being so beloved many fans will still defend Snitsky at any opportunity. I don't know! I mean, It was a weird angle. I mean she was "pregnant" by a heel Kane who forced her to do it. But somehow Kane turns face because of a miscarriage for a baby she really didn't want to have in the first place. So I guess it kind of makes sense why people would "defend" it. because the whole thing is kind of screwed up as it was.
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Mar 4, 2023 13:49:37 GMT -5
somber one: it boggles me how many people out there still talk up what a great wrestler Chris Benoit is and try to get people to ignore what he did. I take the Heyman approach and say, "Three people died in that house. Only one had the choice behind it. So, if that's your boy, f*** you!"
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 4, 2023 14:09:16 GMT -5
I remember some people (mostly not here, granted) trying their damnedest to convince themselves Voodoo Kin Mafia was any good. Also, Aces and Eights. I'd recommend watching Brian Zane's video on Aces and Eights. There actually was some really good moments in that angle it just went on way too long and it seemed like they were going way out of their way to avoid revealing people. the other issue is Spike flat out told them don't do the spot and they did it anyways.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 4, 2023 14:43:41 GMT -5
Goldust.
Like, don't get me wrong, Dustin Rhodes as a wrestler is great, but it always baffled me around the time of Orlando Jordan's TNA run that he was universally decried while Goldust was held up as one of the highlights of New Gen/Attitude Era when that run contained gay/trans panic tropes way worse than any of the admittedly awful squirty cream stuff, and y'know, Jordan was actually bi rather than a straight guy who could do a face turn by denying being queer.
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Post by tirtefaa on Mar 4, 2023 15:06:16 GMT -5
"Let's just see wait and see where this goes..."
This was a popular meme during the early 2010's. I mean, I get the intention. Don't jump the gun before the story is told. But given WWE's track record in particular, they usually are terrible at sticking the landing when it comes to launching a good storyline, but starting off with a bad moment or following up something good by dropping the ball in the next segment? They don't get a pass. Watching with pessimism isn't exactly good, but for me it was preferable to being disappointed yet again by the conclusion of a storyline.
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Post by malloc on Mar 4, 2023 15:20:00 GMT -5
Triple H’s reign of terror Who has defended this? What was their position/opinion?
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Post by Cyno on Mar 4, 2023 15:34:56 GMT -5
The Willow/Anna Jay table spot was at least two trained wrestlers who didn't accurately judge distance needed to do that spot as safe as possible. Probably could've used another table just in case, but botches happen.
Dixie going through a table despite a complete lack of training, preparation, and Spike telling her flat out "Don't do this" is just one of the stupidest things to ever happen in pro wrestling. Insisting on doing it just goes to show how complete a mark she was for herself and, combined with other decisions, how much lasting damage it did to TNA's reputation and business. Something they still haven't recovered from yet although the company is at least in a decent place now. But imagine where they could be if it wasn't for Dixie Carter's combination of incompetence, arrogance, and scumminess. I think they could've been near where AEW is now or ROH was in 2018, at the very least.
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Post by tirtefaa on Mar 4, 2023 16:21:26 GMT -5
Triple H’s reign of terror He has defended this? What was their position/opinion? I'll defend it. If you were going to give the title to someone to help establish the value from scratch, Triple H was the best option. Seriously, by WrestleMania 20, it felt like the equal of the WWE title. Most of the guys who got a run with it other than Trips prior to Batista weren't up to snuff, and most of the guys that Triple H feuded with over the title weren't good options either. The payoff of Batista being the guy to finally end the reign really helped solidify him, even if that wasn't initially the intent of the reign. Reflecting on the importance of having a strong champion, let me remind you that the moment that Jack Swagger became WHC, the title never ever recovered and felt like the IC title from that moment forward. Now...does that mean that guys like Booker T or RVD shouldn't have gotten a run with the belt in 2002/03? Well, no. The case could be made for both, especially with the WrestleMania 19 finish, that even I won't defend, but I will say that neither guy was hurt by not getting the title, and eventually (if even too late) both of them got title reigns. So, in the grand scheme of things, I think it worked. However Triple H's 2008 WWE title run? I cannot defend that at all. There were plenty of other established options they could have gone with, but he somehow ended up with the title for almost a year, making Orton yet again look like a chump and refusing to put Jeff Hardy over, all the while winking at the camera in a way to make his opponents looks less important.
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