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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 10, 2023 9:05:01 GMT -5
The cap on the HHH/Booker T feud is that, at Mania, HHH hit the Pedigree, and then, 24 seconds later (count them on the Network) got a finger over Booker T for a three count. It came across as a total burial. Especially as all the other top matches that year needed 3 finishers to get a win.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 10, 2023 10:20:14 GMT -5
Why is it that hating on Joey Ryan's offensive gimmick is link to Jim Cornette? Cornette can have his opinions, but a lot of people, including myself, were turned off by Joey Ryan and we didn't need a 60+ mad man on his podcast telling us why he sucked. I don't think "Cornette type" was about Joey in particular, so much as his very set in his ways attitude towards professional wrestling and how it informs his opinion on the sillier stuff. In hip-hop, we use the term "oldhead" for those types, the ones that refuse to believe the genre should have evolved beyond about '98. And like the poster here, I have found myself reflexively distancing myself from the oldheads when I'm talking about my problems with mumble rap and whatever the hell Lil Pump is. Just want to relate this back to Joey Ryan: I never liked his gimmick, but it always felt like the terms of the conversation were set up along the oldhead "killing the business" line. I remember dreading the idea of talking about Ryan because I felt like I'd end up defending a gimmick I hated because of the terms of the argument.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Mar 10, 2023 11:24:35 GMT -5
The internet wrestling culture war now means there’s someone ready to defend pretty much everything now no matter how bad it is, just to one up another fan in some stupid online slap fight.
As for specific examples, I remember being raked over the coals on Reddit a couple of years ago for saying I thought the Eye For An Eye match was a shit idea, because apparently I just wasn’t giving it a chance and it was actually going to be really good. Then it wasn’t.
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Post by XIII on Mar 10, 2023 12:02:09 GMT -5
Has anyone (other than Vince McMahon) ever tried to defend the Katie Vick fiasco? When even HHH and Kevin Dunn are telling you that this is a bad idea, that's how you know this shit sucks.
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Post by Renslayer on Mar 10, 2023 12:20:23 GMT -5
That’s the real issue with the Booker T feud, IMO. They set it up perfectly for the crowd to boo HHH and for Booker to prove him wrong, then botched the landing to the worst possible extent by just having HHH be right. That's my issue as well. It made zero sense for HHH to win at Mania the way that program went. Even if it was for a month, Booker T needed to win the title for that story to work and they didn't do it. Just stupid... I remember the logic used to defend H winning was "he's gonna keep the belt strong for when goldberg wins it." And then they had goldberg look like an absolute MONSTER at summerslam in the chamber, only to lose with one sledgehammer shot! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 10, 2023 12:20:46 GMT -5
I think the thing with Corny is he is incredibly quotable, and his soundbite style opinions on topics tend to pollute the wider conversation online so people offhandedly quote lines that started with him often without knowing it. Look how his opinions coloured all discussions of Vince Russo for a decades.
With the benefit of hindsight, his crap against Russo should have been a huge red flag that he is not a stable man, but Russo was public enemy #1 after WCW so it slid under the radar, and it wasn't until his insane attacks on Kenny Omega that people really began to look close at the things he said and how he said them.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 10, 2023 13:10:26 GMT -5
I don't think "Cornette type" was about Joey in particular, so much as his very set in his ways attitude towards professional wrestling and how it informs his opinion on the sillier stuff. In hip-hop, we use the term "oldhead" for those types, the ones that refuse to believe the genre should have evolved beyond about '98. And like the poster here, I have found myself reflexively distancing myself from the oldheads when I'm talking about my problems with mumble rap and whatever the hell Lil Pump is. Just want to relate this back to Joey Ryan: I never liked his gimmick, but it always felt like the terms of the conversation were set up along the oldhead "killing the business" line. I remember dreading the idea of talking about Ryan because I felt like I'd end up defending a gimmick I hated because of the terms of the argument. I absolutely only ever defended Ryan's gimmick on principle too I hated basically everything he did but if we start drawing a 'moral' line in art it leads only to bad places Plus the 'killing the business' people were acting like I didn't learn about kayfabe from a book published in 1999, published with endorsement from the biggest wrestling promotion in the West
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