The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 4, 2023 16:24:22 GMT -5
Sting has his first match in WWE after being the biggest name to not sign with them for 3 decades.
Loses to HHH.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 4, 2023 17:05:33 GMT -5
Let's see where this is going' is easier to defend than 'That went somewhere crap.'
With stuff like Aces and Eights, it's easier to dismiss them when your view of the angle is coloured by the benefit of hindsight. People defended it, but did any of those defending it keep doing it after it became clear the entire point was to try and get over a disinterested Brooke Hogan and build to a match that couldn't ever happen? Well, aside from that one guy who thought Hogan pooped gold because he appeared on Howard Stern to promote TNA, without, you know, promoting TNA.
Joey Ryan was always garbage though, his sleaze act made me deeply uncomfortable during his TNA run and it got worse afterwards with the d*ck stuff. I was astounded when people defended it then.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 4, 2023 17:27:53 GMT -5
I'm not Cornette type or anything but, I NEVER saw the appeal of Joey Ryan. At all.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 4, 2023 17:31:05 GMT -5
Anna's at least a wrestler and it was more that the powerbomb wasn't lined up ideally. Dixie's spot happened as planned and she got seriously injured because it was a stupid idea in the first place. And they never even practiced or tried it out beforehand. That woman's delusional ego is on another level.
and the tv network told them multiple times no Man on women violence... and they had the faces cheering around ringside making it look that much worse...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 4, 2023 17:32:30 GMT -5
Sting has his first match in WWE after being the biggest name to not sign with them for 3 decades. Loses to HHH. the fans always seemed to care about this way more than Sting does honestly...
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 4, 2023 17:48:25 GMT -5
Sting has his first match in WWE after being the biggest name to not sign with them for 3 decades. Loses to HHH. the fans always seemed to care about this way more than Sting does honestly... True, I just don't see how it made sense.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 4, 2023 18:02:45 GMT -5
the fans always seemed to care about this way more than Sting does honestly... True, I just don't see how it made sense. Also true.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 4, 2023 18:23:17 GMT -5
Curtis Axel, defended by me. These days I'm a little older, a little wiser, and 100% still defending Curtis Axel. I'll still defend Curtis Axel as people had unreasonable expectations of him, expecting him to be as good as his dad in his prime, when his dad in his prime had years of experience to get to that point and worked all over the place, learning different styles while Curtis was trained by the WWE system, same as nearly every other guy there. Ted Jr and Cody Rhodes were also victims of the same expectations, with only Cody ever able to live up to it after leaving the WWE and getting the experience and polish he lacked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 0:25:50 GMT -5
somber one: it boggles me how many people out there still talk up what a great wrestler Chris Benoit is and try to get people to ignore what he did. This is the big one for me. I can be a huge fan of Hogan and Warrior’s characters and enjoy their place in wrestling while simultaneously thinking Terry Bollea and Jim Hellwig were total scumbags. With Benoit, there’s no separation of art and artist for me. The guy wasn’t just your typical dumbass carnie asshole that’s a dime a dozen in wrestling, he murdered his own child, so f*** him.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Mar 5, 2023 0:37:57 GMT -5
A popular Twitter account (On This Day in WWE) put up a vid of the infamous Booker T/HHH promo the other day and a lot of WWE bros (who are the Twitter tribe most likely to have paid the Musk tax for a checkmark in my experience) were adamant that "You people..." meant ex WCW wrestlers, ex-cons, people whose name begins with B etc...
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Mar 5, 2023 0:48:50 GMT -5
I unfortunately felt his sleaze bag gimmick was fun at the time because I assumed the greatest level of care and consent went into it behind the scenes, rather than it being an actual sex pest using a wrestling character to force people into uncomfortable situations so he could get his jollies. Needless to say, I won’t be feeling comfortable with anything remotely resembling that act ever again.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 5, 2023 8:39:02 GMT -5
A popular Twitter account (On This Day in WWE) put up a vid of the infamous Booker T/HHH promo the other day and a lot of WWE bros (who are the Twitter tribe most likely to have paid the Musk tax for a checkmark in my experience) were adamant that "You people..." meant ex WCW wrestlers, ex-cons, people whose name begins with B etc... The insane excuses and reasonings and bizarro shit that gets put in to trying to defend that promo/storyline and act like it wasn't racially coded is so unbelievable. This is definitely the biggest case of this for me because it's just so ugly and nakedly awful.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Mar 5, 2023 9:10:06 GMT -5
the fans always seemed to care about this way more than Sting does honestly... True, I just don't see how it made sense. in vince's mind (and his version of history.) wwf/wwe = force of good, wcw = force of evil, it made sense to him for the wwe guys to prevail against the evil wcw guys despite booking sting as the face of the feud the entire time. vince's last words will either be "f*** WCW" or "Sell my company to anyone but my kids"
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 5, 2023 12:11:33 GMT -5
the fans always seemed to care about this way more than Sting does honestly... True, I just don't see how it made sense. If you watch the Sting doc WWE put out it shows you footage of him going to WWE headquarters for the first time in 2014 to sign his contract and he tells the interviewer that he wants to do one final match and then stresses that he really means just one more. Obviously he changed his mind but if he's telling everyone at the time that he's only doing one match then I understand why he lost. It makes perfect sense to me that a near 60 year guy who was saying he wouldn't do any more matches wouldn't be put over a guy 10 years younger who's scheduled for big matches at the next few Wrestlemanias. My issue was never with him losing it was the nonsensical DX/NWO stuff and the handshake after the match. All they had to do was have HHH get a screwy win then Sting beats him and DX up after the match with the baseball bat and stands tall. The handshake made absolutely no sense.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 5, 2023 12:20:38 GMT -5
To add to the Booker/HHH one, more recent racist promos this time involving Japanese guys with Nakamura/Jinder and Takeshita/MJF. Neither got as much blowback as you'd think they would.
I know neither were at Wrestlemania or as high profile but on paper they're essentially the same thing as Booker/HHH. In both cases the heel was racist towards the face, mocking their English and stuff, then both times the heel won the match afterwards too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 13:06:01 GMT -5
To add to the Booker/HHH one, more recent racist promos this time involving Japanese guys with Nakamura/Jinder and Takeshita/MJF. Neither got as much blowback as you'd think they would. I know neither were at Wrestlemania or as high profile but on paper they're essentially the same thing as Booker/HHH. In both cases the heel was racist towards the face, mocking their English and stuff, then both times the heel won the match afterwards too. That’s the real issue with the Booker T feud, IMO. They set it up perfectly for the crowd to boo HHH and for Booker to prove him wrong, then botched the landing to the worst possible extent by just having HHH be right.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 5, 2023 22:21:25 GMT -5
Sting has his first match in WWE after being the biggest name to not sign with them for 3 decades. Loses to HHH. the fans always seemed to care about this way more than Sting does honestly... Yeah, like I still sort of defend that The L really didn't matter when it was a fun brawling match. Sure he lost but ehh. Only thing I wanted was Sting/Taker and Taker didn't seem to want that due to their ages and the slight chance Sting had at possibly winning a WWE title went out with the injury His run wasn't great but it wasn't dirt poor as it has been made. Glad he is going out own on his own terms in AEW tho
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 6, 2023 7:27:21 GMT -5
"Let's just see wait and see where this goes..." This was a popular meme during the early 2010's. I mean, I get the intention. Don't jump the gun before the story is told. But given WWE's track record in particular, they usually are terrible at sticking the landing when it comes to launching a good storyline, but starting off with a bad moment or following up something good by dropping the ball in the next segment? They don't get a pass. Watching with pessimism isn't exactly good, but for me it was preferable to being disappointed yet again by the conclusion of a storyline. The issue for me isn’t that those people were being pessimistic, it was that they were weaponising our optimism against us, like to say “Look at you f***ing idiots giving this a chance to play out”. Like, let us be optimistic, what does it hurt you (not you) that we give something a chance to be good or recover from being bad? If it ends up being bad, I’ll be sad about it at the end, not at Chapter 2.
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Post by salz4life on Mar 6, 2023 9:27:25 GMT -5
I remember some people (mostly not here, granted) trying their damnedest to convince themselves Voodoo Kin Mafia was any good. Also, Aces and Eights. Was Hogan around for Aces & Eights? I was hoping we'd get some Aces & Eights on TLF. LOL
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Post by salz4life on Mar 6, 2023 9:33:05 GMT -5
To add to the Booker/HHH one, more recent racist promos this time involving Japanese guys with Nakamura/Jinder and Takeshita/MJF. Neither got as much blowback as you'd think they would. I know neither were at Wrestlemania or as high profile but on paper they're essentially the same thing as Booker/HHH. In both cases the heel was racist towards the face, mocking their English and stuff, then both times the heel won the match afterwards too. That’s the real issue with the Booker T feud, IMO. They set it up perfectly for the crowd to boo HHH and for Booker to prove him wrong, then botched the landing to the worst possible extent by just having HHH be right. That's my issue as well. It made zero sense for HHH to win at Mania the way that program went. Even if it was for a month, Booker T needed to win the title for that story to work and they didn't do it. Just stupid...
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