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Post by eJm on May 8, 2023 5:52:55 GMT -5
Honestly, Rock ain't coming for a long time. There was a point where I thought that, a big "advocate" only in the sense of it being logical and box office, but between the stories involving him, Black Adam and Warner Bros and basically diving headfirst into other projects, going back to wrestling now will be perceived as a PR defeat for him. Going for the easy payday against a logical opponent after some mediocre box offices and perceptions of being a diva in Hollywood (and not the VH1 special kind).
Like, if Black Adam was a rousing success, Rock would have faced Roman at WrestleMania this year. I have no proof but I also can't see it as a coincidence that interviews where he was talking about the Tribal Chief and potential references to a Rock/Roman match died right after the PR for Black Adam ended.
EDIT: And it makes the whole thing more surreal because, yeah, they're going to try. It's an easy story with big money attached but doing it in Philadelphia next year would be like if Austin rejected WWE's offer for the KO match last year in Texas and did it this year in California. There's no connection there.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 8, 2023 6:03:39 GMT -5
Yeah, if there was a year to do it at Mania it was this year.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rock's attempts to basically hijack the DC universe failing miserably didn't have something to do with it especially as he quickly then jumped to Disney to get the Live Action Moana going...
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Post by mrtuesday on May 8, 2023 6:07:21 GMT -5
They know where it's going. The same place it's always been going since day 1. The one true endgame of the Tribal Chief title run. The Rock. Roman will remain champion until Dwayne decides to show up. And not one day sooner. I knew it the moment Roman started the Tribal Chief stuff. It's time everyone here accepts that. It should have been Drew. It should have been Sami. It should have been Cody. But none of them are The Rock. And considering business is at an all-time high, they have no reason to deviate from the plan. And as I've stated... Rock vs. Roman doesn't need the titles and honestly being for the titles doesn't even really help teh match at all. Hell have Roman lose the titles to Cody (or the one... whatever) and Roman start claiming he's still the Tribal Chief and something about being the greatest leader the family has ever had... and boom Rock. I know that. Hell, Rock/Cena 2 didn't need the title. But WWE did it anyway. I have no doubt that Vince and HHH think Rock/Roman should have the titles, even though the match doesn't need them. Doesn't mean they're not gonna do it.
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Post by eJm on May 8, 2023 6:07:29 GMT -5
Yeah, if there was a year to do it at Mania it was this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Rock's attempts to basically hijack the DC universe failing miserably didn't have something to do with it especially as he quickly then jumped to Disney to get the Live Action Moana going... I just double checked, that thing got announced two days after WrestleMania Night 2, which is very funny considering. EDIT: Like, I'm almost convinced that if Rock was doing the match, they'd have announced that during the show.
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Post by government mule on May 8, 2023 7:19:56 GMT -5
I hope Rock doesn't get in the ring again. I kinda like the idea that his last ever match was against Erick Rowan.
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Post by eJm on May 8, 2023 7:40:57 GMT -5
I hope Rock doesn't get in the ring again. I kinda like the idea that his last ever match was against Erick Rowan. I watched 32 in a bar in London, extremely packed, I was the only one who laughed at Rock pinning Rowan in seconds. Nobody else was amused.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 8, 2023 10:20:27 GMT -5
They know where it's going. The same place it's always been going since day 1. The one true endgame of the Tribal Chief title run. The Rock. Roman will remain champion until Dwayne decides to show up. And not one day sooner. I knew it the moment Roman started the Tribal Chief stuff. It's time everyone here accepts that. It should have been Drew. It should have been Sami. It should have been Cody. But none of them are The Rock. And considering business is at an all-time high, they have no reason to deviate from the plan. And as I've stated... Rock vs. Roman doesn't need the titles and honestly being for the titles doesn't even really help teh match at all. Hell have Roman lose the titles to Cody (or the one... whatever) and Roman start claiming he's still the Tribal Chief and something about being the greatest leader the family has ever had... and boom Rock. Easiest setup ever. Roman drops the titles, starts becoming super gaslighty and abusive to the Usos and Solo, which leads to the Bloodline breaking up and the Rock returning to confront Roman for his bullying.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 8, 2023 12:02:12 GMT -5
If the plan is to have Cody get screwed by Brock tonight, have a rematch with a more decisive finish at NOC then have Cody win MITB and beat Roman (without any back-up if Jey/Jimmy/Solo have left the group by then) at Summerslam when he'll have passed the 1000 day mark then great. Cody has shown he's still super popular and that could help Summerslam feel closer to a Mania-level event which should help it's standing going forward. If that's not the plan though then how the hell do they plan on keeping Cody busy and hot enough for the next year? Brock and MITB keeps him busy for the next month or two but if he's not winning at Summerslam then I don't see how he doesn't lose steam in the autumn/fall months. Even winning the new title would make no sense when his whole story has specifically been about the WWE title and now getting revenge on Roman. And as I've stated... Rock vs. Roman doesn't need the titles and honestly being for the titles doesn't even really help teh match at all. Hell have Roman lose the titles to Cody (or the one... whatever) and Roman start claiming he's still the Tribal Chief and something about being the greatest leader the family has ever had... and boom Rock. I know that. Hell, Rock/Cena 2 didn't need the title. But WWE did it anyway. I have no doubt that Vince and HHH think Rock/Roman should have the titles, even though the match doesn't need them. Doesn't mean they're not gonna do it. Rock/Cena at least made sense being a title match to raise the stakes and differentiate it from the previous year which was non-title. And to get around the "once in a lifetime" thing. In kayfabe it would be weird to have a tagline like that then just book the match again. It had to happen though because Rock won the title and Cena won the Rumble. We've already seen Rock get his big return and title win and he'd obviously be over a decade older now if Rock/Roman happens. That match really shouldn't be for a title. Fighting to determine who's the real Tribal Chief/head of the table is a good enough story and will make it a massive event without a title. And with Mania being two nights now Rock/Roman is an easy main event for one night then a world title match main events the other.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 13:19:38 GMT -5
Honestly, Rock ain't coming for a long time. There was a point where I thought that, a big "advocate" only in the sense of it being logical and box office, but between the stories involving him, Black Adam and Warner Bros and basically diving headfirst into other projects, going back to wrestling now will be perceived as a PR defeat for him. Going for the easy payday against a logical opponent after some mediocre box offices and perceptions of being a diva in Hollywood (and not the VH1 special kind). Like, if Black Adam was a rousing success, Rock would have faced Roman at WrestleMania this year. I have no proof but I also can't see it as a coincidence that interviews where he was talking about the Tribal Chief and potential references to a Rock/Roman match died right after the PR for Black Adam ended. EDIT: And it makes the whole thing more surreal because, yeah, they're going to try. It's an easy story with big money attached but doing it in Philadelphia next year would be like if Austin rejected WWE's offer for the KO match last year in Texas and did it this year in California. There's no connection there.
I don't think you're wrong, but my brain is trying to comprehend that completely mid-tier Black Adam movie being the reason this Bloodline bullshit is continuing
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 8, 2023 13:51:58 GMT -5
There’s no way in hell Rock vs Roman is happening. Dude is in his early 50s and hasn’t had a match in a decade. I think Cody is gonna get the John Cena 2012 treatment, which already started with the W over Brock. I can see him winning the consolation world title this year and then winning the Rumble and taking on Roman at Mania 40. With the pattern of the last mania’s that ended in 0, they all have had a happy ending. 10 with Bret standing tall, 20 with Eddie and Benoit, 30 with Bryan, and I feel like next year Cody winning would be the move. Although at the same time they will be 6 months from breaking Hogan’s record so it could be Mania 41 -_-
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Post by Kalmia on May 8, 2023 14:10:07 GMT -5
I can see them trying to get Rock vs Roman but it seems like an awful idea. Between the Rock's age, ring rust, the extra weight he's caring (compared to his leaner wrestling days) and the probably restrictive movie contracts he's under, I doubt he could do anything more than a brief squash match. If the end goal for the Roman reign (pun not intended) is a Rock squash match, then what the hell have we been doing for the last three years, lmao.
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Post by eJm on May 8, 2023 14:12:36 GMT -5
I don't think you're wrong, but my brain is trying to comprehend that completely mid-tier Black Adam movie being the reason this Bloodline bullshit is continuing
And I get it but it’s more that Rock was specifically asked about Roman during press interviews, he referenced Roman in Young Rock, the hype train for Black Adam was on overdrive, it just felt like that they were going to do something at Survivor Series if BA broke every record known to man or whatever and it didn’t happen so he backed out. I obviously have no proof but it all adds together too much to be a coincidence.
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Post by mc74 on May 8, 2023 14:53:32 GMT -5
If Rock vs Roman was in the cards, you'd think the match would have happened this year with Mania being in LA. Can't say for sure if that's why WWE are still holding out after all this time, but if they are, it's a foolish endeavor. There are just too many factors that make the match unlikely. Rock's schedule, his age, Hollywood not keen on the idea of him taking bumps.
And even if by chance the match was possible, why the f*** does it have to be for the title? If you do that, there's only one outcome that you can run with, and that's Roman winning, otherwise you just shat on the entire roster by having a part-timer win the title.
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Post by mc74 on May 8, 2023 14:59:06 GMT -5
....although to be fair, WWE already took a dump on the roster with the way they brought back the WHC.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 8, 2023 15:09:44 GMT -5
Like, if Black Adam was a rousing success, Rock would have faced Roman at WrestleMania this year. I have no proof but I also can't see it as a coincidence that interviews where he was talking about the Tribal Chief and potential references to a Rock/Roman match died right after the PR for Black Adam ended. I doubt that's the case. If anything doing Wrestlemania and breaking all revenue records would have been a welcome distraction from the Black Adam stuff, not something to hide away from. Like Bad Bunny is even bigger in music than Rock is in movies and no one who matters looks down on him for wrestling. His original 2011 return was a big boost to his movie career too. It was part of his agent/ex-wifes masterplan to transform his image from Disney kid movie guy to re-embracing badass action star Rock. And he literally created his Twitter account the day of his return in 2011 because his team knew the buzz he would get that day and he quickly became one of the top social media guys in the world. I'm going with Occam's razor here and assuming the reason that the match hasn't happened is simply that Rock's schedule has just never allowed for it. WWE would kill to do it. Roman would obviously be down. And I think Rock would be happy to do it if he could find the time but that just might never be possible. Also, he definitely didn't stop teasing a Roman match after Black Adam. As recently as last month he made a video hyping Wrestlemania and ended with: I don't think it'll end up happening because he's just too busy but if by some miracle he ever has a Jan-Apr period mostly commitment-free in the next 2-3 years (beyond that surely he'd be too old even if he wanted to) I do think he'd do the match.
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Post by eJm on May 8, 2023 15:33:05 GMT -5
Like, if Black Adam was a rousing success, Rock would have faced Roman at WrestleMania this year. I have no proof but I also can't see it as a coincidence that interviews where he was talking about the Tribal Chief and potential references to a Rock/Roman match died right after the PR for Black Adam ended. I doubt that's the case. If anything doing Wrestlemania and breaking all revenue records would have been a welcome distraction from the Black Adam stuff, not something to hide away from. Like Bad Bunny is even bigger in music than Rock is in movies and no one who matters looks down on him for wrestling. His original 2011 return was a big boost to his movie career too. It was part of his agent/ex-wifes masterplan to transform his image from Disney kid movie guy to re-embracing badass action star Rock. And he literally created his Twitter account the day of his return in 2011 because his team knew the buzz he would get that day and he quickly became one of the top social media guys in the world. I'm going with Occam's razor here and assuming the reason that the match hasn't happened is simply that Rock's schedule has just never allowed for it. WWE would kill to do it. Roman would obviously be down. And I think Rock would be happy to do it if he could find the time but that just might never be possible. Also, he definitely didn't stop teasing a Roman match after Black Adam. As recently as last month he made a video hyping Wrestlemania and ended with: I don't think it'll end up happening because he's just too busy but if by some miracle he ever has a Jan-Apr period mostly commitment-free in the next 2-3 years (beyond that surely he'd be too old even if he wanted to) I do think he'd do the match. You might be right but there’s a small part of me that thinks Variety, the publication that revealed the story of Dwayne’s politicking with DC, wouldn’t exactly not add two and two together with editorials about him suddenly headlining WrestleMania in Hollywood. That’s just me, they could easily be paid to do an editorial to just ignore the whole thing, not the first time.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 8, 2023 15:53:10 GMT -5
I doubt that's the case. If anything doing Wrestlemania and breaking all revenue records would have been a welcome distraction from the Black Adam stuff, not something to hide away from. Like Bad Bunny is even bigger in music than Rock is in movies and no one who matters looks down on him for wrestling. His original 2011 return was a big boost to his movie career too. It was part of his agent/ex-wifes masterplan to transform his image from Disney kid movie guy to re-embracing badass action star Rock. And he literally created his Twitter account the day of his return in 2011 because his team knew the buzz he would get that day and he quickly became one of the top social media guys in the world. I'm going with Occam's razor here and assuming the reason that the match hasn't happened is simply that Rock's schedule has just never allowed for it. WWE would kill to do it. Roman would obviously be down. And I think Rock would be happy to do it if he could find the time but that just might never be possible. Also, he definitely didn't stop teasing a Roman match after Black Adam. As recently as last month he made a video hyping Wrestlemania and ended with: I don't think it'll end up happening because he's just too busy but if by some miracle he ever has a Jan-Apr period mostly commitment-free in the next 2-3 years (beyond that surely he'd be too old even if he wanted to) I do think he'd do the match. You might be right but there’s a small part of me that thinks Variety, the publication that revealed the story of Dwayne’s politicking with DC, wouldn’t exactly not add two and two together with editorials about him suddenly headlining WrestleMania in Hollywood. That’s just me, they could easily be paid to do an editorial to just ignore the whole thing, not the first time. What would be the negative of headlining Wrestlemania? What’s the connection between that and the DC story?
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 8, 2023 18:01:31 GMT -5
Also, do the general public really know or care about any of the Black Adam/DC stuff? Whole thing is a bit of a non-story.
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Post by Dukect on May 11, 2023 19:02:13 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/1311565-wrestlemania-28-the-rock-was-injured-during-match-vIn terms of rock versus Roman this man tore his hamstring during a match against John Cena back at WM 29 delayed filming of his latest movie. If black Adam wasn't a success there is absolutely no chance of hell rock would even go anywhere near wrestling ring unless it was him getting his hall of fame because the power to be Warner brothers would have said OK you run the the DC universe sign here and never wrestle ever again. But back to the main point of this post cody should've won but I think the plan is next year WM so he can finish the story
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 12, 2023 1:44:07 GMT -5
I’ll just say the same thing that I said before the match. If someone could tell me legitimately what it is that Rhodes gains from delaying this big win for another four months to a year that offsets what he’s lost from not winning at the WrestleMania we just had (which thankfully seems to be relatively little, definitely not as much as it could’ve been. Still, early days, though), I’ll hear you out.
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