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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jun 22, 2023 23:25:12 GMT -5
None. Even the wacky shit in CHIKARA worked for me, because in that universe, invisible grenades and sleep potions was a thing. It's wrestling. Well, I mean in a fed like CHIKARA, you know that’s part of it But I’m your typical fed, that stuff would look like ass. Well yes. But my point is, wrestling requires suspension of disbelief. In WWE I believe in the Undertaker. In AEW I believe that noone knows the Bucks are gonna do a super kick. And in all of wrestling I believe that an Irish whip is a real thing.
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Post by hairycarlweathers on Jun 22, 2023 23:38:04 GMT -5
The finger-breaking spot, the one person Spanish Fly from the mat instead of the turnbuckle, and two guys fighting on the ring apron like it's a tightrope are three things that come to mind immediately.
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Post by mikeymike on Jun 23, 2023 2:27:39 GMT -5
Being a fan since the AWA days as a kid, I've believed a lot. Along with some already mentioned things is this; Wrestler 1 superkicks(or hits some other move) Wrestler 2 goes down from the hit, immediately pops back up to hit their own move, then collapses from the previous move. I'm pretty sure I've seen this a lot with the Lucha Bros to name just one group
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Post by sungod2020 on Jun 23, 2023 7:14:24 GMT -5
Well like any finisher you could say it's most effective when you wear them down before you hit it. TBF though, just being put in a match against the Big Show can be seen as hokey given his size advantage, but as wrestling fans we tend to buy into it. At SSeries 2014, Big Show Korda Marc Henry and pinned him in the first 30 seconds of the match. Why couldn’t he do that to the rest of Henry’s team? Now that you mention it, at the 1999 Survivor Series, Big Show took out Big Bossman's entire team with a chokeslam...all within a minute. Did he not learn anything from that for future Survivor Series matches he was in?
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Post by nickcave on Jun 23, 2023 10:40:12 GMT -5
The 619 Irish whip
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 23, 2023 12:01:26 GMT -5
The one thing that always really bothered me was the various "High-Speed Takedowns" spots where opponents would rush through an (obviously heavily-rehearsed) series of takedowns and dodges and then both pop up and stare each other down, waiting for applause.
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Post by chrom on Jun 23, 2023 13:01:10 GMT -5
I'm going to be a minority on this one, but Samoa Joe's "nope" walk-out-of-the-way-of-a-high-flying-move. See, I know pro wrestling's stupid. MMA fighters can duck haymakers and high kicks that take a fraction of a second to throw. If you count that time Anthony Pettis hit a flying rebound kick off the cage, a high flying move has worked precisely once in the history of MMA. If you don't count it, never. I know just walking out of the way is how someone would respond to a missile dropkick if one were thrown in a real fight. Professional wrestling may involve the voluntary suspension of disbelief, but it still needs to make some kind of internal sense. If Samoa Joe can just walk out of the way of a flying opponent sometimes, everyone ought to be able to all the time. Plus, I'm waiting for Samoa Joe to walk out of the way of a flying attack only for it to turn out that the opponent was throwing a Flying Nothing, lands on their feet and kicks him in the back of his overconfident head. Sonjay Dutt did that at Genesis 2005.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 23, 2023 14:20:46 GMT -5
I'm going to be a minority on this one, but Samoa Joe's "nope" walk-out-of-the-way-of-a-high-flying-move. See, I know pro wrestling's stupid. MMA fighters can duck haymakers and high kicks that take a fraction of a second to throw. If you count that time Anthony Pettis hit a flying rebound kick off the cage, a high flying move has worked precisely once in the history of MMA. If you don't count it, never. I know just walking out of the way is how someone would respond to a missile dropkick if one were thrown in a real fight. Professional wrestling may involve the voluntary suspension of disbelief, but it still needs to make some kind of internal sense. If Samoa Joe can just walk out of the way of a flying opponent sometimes, everyone ought to be able to all the time. Plus, I'm waiting for Samoa Joe to walk out of the way of a flying attack only for it to turn out that the opponent was throwing a Flying Nothing, lands on their feet and kicks him in the back of his overconfident head. I don't agree, but I agree with the sentiment and it's why I like the spot solely for Joe. His whole thing is that he's the student of the game and genre-smart, so much so that he flopped in Japan because they saw him as just ripping off the AJPW uppercard.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jun 23, 2023 14:58:06 GMT -5
The one thing that always really bothered me was the various "High-Speed Takedowns" spots where opponents would rush through an (obviously heavily-rehearsed) series of takedowns and dodges and then both pop up and stare each other down, waiting for applause. Once it got spammed, yea, it definately was like "OK, we know this shit is staged, but can you at least pretend like some of this is at least organic?"
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jun 23, 2023 14:58:37 GMT -5
I'm going to be a minority on this one, but Samoa Joe's "nope" walk-out-of-the-way-of-a-high-flying-move. See, I know pro wrestling's stupid. MMA fighters can duck haymakers and high kicks that take a fraction of a second to throw. If you count that time Anthony Pettis hit a flying rebound kick off the cage, a high flying move has worked precisely once in the history of MMA. If you don't count it, never. I know just walking out of the way is how someone would respond to a missile dropkick if one were thrown in a real fight. Professional wrestling may involve the voluntary suspension of disbelief, but it still needs to make some kind of internal sense. If Samoa Joe can just walk out of the way of a flying opponent sometimes, everyone ought to be able to all the time. Plus, I'm waiting for Samoa Joe to walk out of the way of a flying attack only for it to turn out that the opponent was throwing a Flying Nothing, lands on their feet and kicks him in the back of his overconfident head. Sonjay Dutt did that at Genesis 2005. I figured someone had to do it.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 23, 2023 15:10:24 GMT -5
How about that bit where people dawdle outside the ring for almost the entire count then rushing into the ring to keep from being counted out? I know they think it builds drama, but it's incredibly overused and needs to stop happening for a good long while. I call it the Hogwarts Express. Entering the ring at 9¾ every single time.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 23, 2023 18:21:35 GMT -5
Well, I mean in a fed like CHIKARA, you know that’s part of it But I’m your typical fed, that stuff would look like ass. Well yes. But my point is, wrestling requires suspension of disbelief. In WWE I believe in the Undertaker. In AEW I believe that noone knows the Bucks are gonna do a super kick. And in all of wrestling I believe that an Irish whip is a real thing. I’ve never seen it, but have heard Hall got Irish Whipped in a backstage brawl and took off jogging, finally got to a wall and came running back.
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 23, 2023 22:12:13 GMT -5
Buff Bagwell's Blockbuster. Takes way too long to set up.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 23, 2023 22:27:36 GMT -5
The one thing that always really bothered me was the various "High-Speed Takedowns" spots where opponents would rush through an (obviously heavily-rehearsed) series of takedowns and dodges and then both pop up and stare each other down, waiting for applause. Once it got spammed, yea, it definately was like "OK, we know this shit is staged, but can you at least pretend like some of this is at least organic?" Similarly, pinning attempt trades that take waaaaay too long to execute. I know not every pin is necessarily meant to end a match, that you're also trying to fatigue your opponent, but while Malenko and Benoit could do those trades really quickly, it got frustrating seeing green wrestlers trying and failing to do it without it being slow as molasses when WWE got it into their head to have one of those exchanges virtually weekly.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 23, 2023 22:46:40 GMT -5
Odd example, but Big Show's punch always bothered me as a move. If such a basic thing can win the match for you, then your match either looks fake or you look like an idiot for not using it within the first 30 seconds. I still find the worse example is when he has to make a comeback or do some sort of offense he just hits body blow punches unlike everyone else throwing punches.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jun 24, 2023 0:00:59 GMT -5
Once it got spammed, yea, it definately was like "OK, we know this shit is staged, but can you at least pretend like some of this is at least organic?" Similarly, pinning attempt trades that take waaaaay too long to execute. I know not every pin is necessarily meant to end a match, that you're also trying to fatigue your opponent, but while Malenko and Benoit could do those trades really quickly, it got frustrating seeing green wrestlers trying and failing to do it without it being slow as molasses when WWE got it into their head to have one of those exchanges virtually weekly. And because of that slowness, how many times should there have been a 3 count that didn't happen only because the ref knew it wasn't the finish. Like, sometimes they were reversing at like 3.5, but they pretended it was only 2.
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Post by KingPooper on Jun 24, 2023 0:52:32 GMT -5
Bucks, Young.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 24, 2023 1:17:01 GMT -5
I will say that the people who say that people should see the "Superkick Party" coming... they do? Like, wrestlers reverse superkicks from the Young Bucks, or try to avoid it by dipping out of the ring, it's just the Bucks keep at it until they get it.
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Post by Marvelous1LUFC on Jun 24, 2023 11:52:03 GMT -5
I'm going to be a minority on this one, but Samoa Joe's "nope" walk-out-of-the-way-of-a-high-flying-move. See, I know pro wrestling's stupid. MMA fighters can duck haymakers and high kicks that take a fraction of a second to throw. If you count that time Anthony Pettis hit a flying rebound kick off the cage, a high flying move has worked precisely once in the history of MMA. If you don't count it, never. I know just walking out of the way is how someone would respond to a missile dropkick if one were thrown in a real fight. Professional wrestling may involve the voluntary suspension of disbelief, but it still needs to make some kind of internal sense. If Samoa Joe can just walk out of the way of a flying opponent sometimes, everyone ought to be able to all the time. Plus, I'm waiting for Samoa Joe to walk out of the way of a flying attack only for it to turn out that the opponent was throwing a Flying Nothing, lands on their feet and kicks him in the back of his overconfident head. That cage kick, was a worked spot. Watch Bensons foot kick the cage, setting pettis up
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 24, 2023 18:13:10 GMT -5
Hurricanranas pretty much always look terrible.
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