Moves that burst your suspension of disbelief

[Aceorton]

You know what I'm talking about. You see a move that's so questionably useful, so contrived, so not worth the risk for a weak payoff or requires so much cooperation from the opponent that it takes you out of the match for a second. Your mind goes to how it would never, ever happen that way in real life.

Example 1: Undertaker's rope walk. He would be yanked into the ring, crotched on the rope or knocked to the floor 100% of the time, by even the most dazed or exhausted opponent.

Example 2: Shattered Dreams. There's a lot that bugs me about this. The setup is long. The opponent just allows himself to be hooked all up in the buckles like that and somehow loses any ability to free himself. Goldust obviously is kicking the turnbuckle when he runs in. And most of the time he gets DQ'd because of it.

Example 3: The Vertebreaker. Opponent visibly has to cooperate perfectly and drop in such a specific, unnatural way.

The Worm and The People's Elbow never took me out of it, but I imagine they did for others.

Whatcha got?

[Rave]

The Overdrive. Good lord that's an overly complicated thing to set up, let alone hit.

And where's that gif of the superplex spot from ROH?

[Marvelous1LUFC]

Old school is the correct answer, but only Vladimir Kozlov was smart enough to defend and then beat him, defending the old school.

Unprettier is another move

[IgnahtaSempria]

I don't know if he still does it, because I don't watch WWE anymore, but I've always hated that standing shooting star scoop slam thing Trevor Lee/Cameron Grimes does. Most of the energy in the move is used on Grimes completing the flip, and there's barely any impact on the opponent.

Also, this one's probably gonna be a bit controversial: the spinning toe hold. Now, I am fully aware that Frank Gotch legitimately made people tap out to it, so it must actually hurt if done correctly. But the idea of a submission hold where you have to let go and reapply it every 2-3 seconds just doesn't make sense to me.

[El Pollo Guerrera]

It's not a particular move, it's just how well it's executed.

If a wrestler has to do one or more of the following:

1) stand in one spot and wait to be 'hit'
2) hold themselves in a position to be 'hit'
3) help the opponent into a position where they can be 'hit'

If I can see the 'positioning', the illusion is gone.

A good example: Jerry Lynn (great wrestler, BTW) does this thing where someone on the ring apron tries to shoulder block through the ropes, and Lynn jumps up and catches them with a leg drop as they go through.

With perfect timing it looks amazing.

It rarely has perfect timing.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

The spot where 65 guys act as human shield for the wacky flip a guy is gonna do off the top rope to the outside. They’re all terrified to catch him. He hits, two of them, all 65 fall down and sell. Guys won’t sell shit anymore, but everyone sells that shit.

[David-Arquette was in WCW 2000]

Jun 22, 2023 0:57:22 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

The spot where 65 guys act as human shield for the wacky flip a guy is gonna do off the top rope to the outside. They’re all terrified to catch him. He hits, two of them, all 65 fall down and sell. Guys won’t sell shit anymore, but everyone sells that shit.

Yeah, every time, and again, they will wait and watch the guy set up. Also, these spots are done so frequently, across major and indy promotions that they have lost all impact. At least for me.

I don't mind seeing moves where the opponent has to help. Like if he is obviously posting on a slam, suplex, etc. It could be argued that the opponent is trying to reverse the move. However, any spot where the wrestler waits and watches his opponent set up, get psyched up, hit the ropes, and springboard towards them, and hits the move.. it just stupid.

Who was that flippy guy from, I want to say AAA that Omega faced a couple of months ago? Most highlights I've seen of him, he takes ages to do the spot, making his opponent look like a chump.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jun 22, 2023 1:22:19 GMT -5 David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 said:

Jun 22, 2023 0:57:22 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

The spot where 65 guys act as human shield for the wacky flip a guy is gonna do off the top rope to the outside. They’re all terrified to catch him. He hits, two of them, all 65 fall down and sell. Guys won’t sell shit anymore, but everyone sells that shit.

Yeah, every time, and again, they will wait and watch the guy set up. Also, these spots are done so frequently, across major and indy promotions that they have lost all impact. At least for me.

I don't mind seeing moves where the opponent has to help. Like if he is obviously posting on a slam, suplex, etc. It could be argued that the opponent is trying to reverse the move. However, any spot where the wrestler waits and watches his opponent set up, get psyched up, hit the ropes, and springboard towards them, and hits the move.. it just stupid.

Who was that flippy guy from, I want to say AAA that Omega faced a couple of months ago? Most highlights I've seen of him, he takes ages to do the spot, making his opponent look like a chump.

When it works, like Cactus losing Sabu in the lights, and Sabu overshooting the jump and breaking all his ribs on the barricade.....

[ARI WOW WOW]

Its called the canadian DESTROYER cuz.. itll destroy your.. y'know.

[nobody]

Jun 21, 2023 23:00:13 GMT -5 Marvelous1LUFC said:

Old school is the correct answer, but only Vladimir Kozlov was smart enough to defend and then beat him, defending the old school.

Unprettier is another move

While I personally don’t have an issue with Old School I can see why others might. It does however make me think of Jay White’s debut match on Dynamite where he held Kommander’s hand while Kommander was simply jumping on the ropes like a trampoline.

That spot annoyed me more than it should have. I love Kommander, I think he a great wrestler, but that spot in particular drove me nuts.

[ppl591]

The double stomp del Rio and I wanna say Andrade do

[crashmatsbazz]

the Panama Sunrise. not for me that one.

[Mozenrath]

Jun 22, 2023 2:45:31 GMT -5 ppl591 said:

The double stomp del Rio and I wanna say Andrade do

It looks good one in like, thirty times. The rest of the time, guys have to wait a goddamn century holding themselves in the tree of woe. Both guys have better finishers, so I don't know why they even bothered.

[Bo Rida]

Jun 22, 2023 3:30:36 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Jun 22, 2023 2:45:31 GMT -5 ppl591 said:

The double stomp del Rio and I wanna say Andrade do

It looks good one in like, thirty times. The rest of the time, guys have to wait a goddamn century holding themselves in the tree of woe. Both guys have better finishers, so I don't know why they even bothered.

Yeah very occasionally Andrade and a few others can set it up and execute in a quick and relatively natural way. Mostly when their opponent is tied up in the middle rope rather than a tree of woe. The rest of the time it's slow and convuluted and isn't cool enough to be worth the effort.

Talking of Del Rio the flying nothing.

Not a move per se but I'm never quite sure why many wrestlers spend so long stacking tables outside without a plan to use them.

[4real]

Jun 22, 2023 3:14:54 GMT -5 crashmatsbazz said:

the Panama Sunrise. not for me that one.

This was going to be my answer.

Yet I’m fine with a Canadian destroyer as long as it is not overdone.

[poodoojenkins]

With all the absolute absurdities that you have to accept on a very base level to be a wrestling fan, I can't even imagine a move being able to take me out of it lol.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Irish whips exist. With that, there's no move in wrestling that can break my suspension of disbelief.

[thecrusherwi]

Jun 21, 2023 23:41:29 GMT -5 El Pollo Guerrera said:

It's not a particular move, it's just how well it's executed.

If a wrestler has to do one or more of the following:

1) stand in one spot and wait to be 'hit'
2) hold themselves in a position to be 'hit'
3) help the opponent into a position where they can be 'hit'

If I can see the 'positioning', the illusion is gone.

A good example: Jerry Lynn (great wrestler, BTW) does this thing where someone on the ring apron tries to shoulder block through the ropes, and Lynn jumps up and catches them with a leg drop as they go through.

With perfect timing it looks amazing.

It rarely has perfect timing.

To extend on this idea, any signature move that starts as a counter. Why would anyone try to punch/clothesline John Cena after two shoulderblocks? Have they never watched a Cena match? Do your film study!

[Vice honcho room temperature]

The flying nothing also when watching enough the flying change the momentum aka when say a Bubba Ray Dudley does a off the rope senton splash that always misses so the face can gain the momentum. Kurt Angle's shoulder in the post is the same way.

[EP 54 is banned from Collision]

Kenny Omega has two for me. The OWA: Takes too long to set up. I know that it's impossible to have an unconscious person sat on your shoulders like that for any length of time without them falling off, but if they're concious in anyway they can counter the move easily.

That thing he does when he's a heel at the end of the match and he does like 4 or 5 running V-triggers, taking an approximate ice age in between, pointing and gesturing. It makes the other guy wait to get hit and I hates it.