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Post by jabroni on Mar 16, 2024 17:05:59 GMT -5
I just learned that Endeavor's big plan for WrestleMania was to have Cody Rhodes win the Royal Rumble and then fake an injury to put Rock in the Main Event against Roman Reigns.
That's almost as bad as Vince wanting to book Orton vs Batista as the WrestleMania Main Event instead of embracing the YES movement. Actually it's worse because Vince had no hindsight to work off of, Endeavor had the hindsight of the YES movement to know the fans would throw it back in their faces and did it anyways.
At best, this seems like a lateral move. If these Endeavor guys were REALLY going to have their #1 Babyface fake an injury to prolong a story with an obvious climax that all their fans wanted to see, then I am convinced that we are not in good hands. It's the devil you know vs the devil you don't situation, at least the old devil had the benefit of the doubt of building the entire company from a regional territory to international status. These new guys just want to come in and fantasy book crap through a UFC 'moneymaking' lens. This and the big Prime logo are HUGE red flags.
Endeavor are just going to do whatever makes them the most money is what I am seeing. They inherited a 2-year story arc and wanted to throw it in the garbage, because the Rock is a bigger star. As if they are booking a UFC card.
Unless you wanted to see Cody fake an injury to not finish his story and unless you like that big Prime logo, you have to admit those are two pretty big f*** ups and things fans don't want to see, but instead are things Endeavor is doing for the money. In less than a year, we have a big advertisement for the scummiest product possible in the center of the ring at every show.
They almost immediately ruined their first WrestleMania main event storyline that the previous regime gift wrapped them and everyone in here is trying to tell me how awesome the storytelling is...
Not to mention, you guys think Vince is a rapist, right? And Endeavor had the same information and they put him on their board and gave him a fat salary. How many red flags do you guys need to see?
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Post by sasqwatchers on Mar 16, 2024 17:07:44 GMT -5
I’m 36 the Wwe I grew up with died a long time ago op.
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Post by DMO- on Mar 16, 2024 17:21:57 GMT -5
Tbh I’m enjoying it now more than I’d ever have, minus the attitude era stuff. But I only really pay attention to the stuff that interests me, maybe that’s how I’m able to enjoy it. If I were to watch everything in its entirety I can see why people would be burnt out from it.
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Post by jabroni on Mar 16, 2024 17:29:50 GMT -5
I’m 36 the Wwe I grew up with died a long time ago op. Who was your favorite wrestler when you were a kid? |
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 16, 2024 17:55:26 GMT -5
My nostalgia ends in 2017.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 16, 2024 18:07:54 GMT -5
 Good f***ing riddance. This was supposed to generate heat. If this upset you, then that was just good old Vince having his finger on the pulse. He's a natural heel, he knows how to get people to boo. No he doesn't. People don't hate this segment because vince was being so good at being an evil character. They hate because it was bad storytelling. It's like having the Joker taking a dump for half an hour in a Batman movie, hearing people complain, and responding "he's a bad guy, he's supposed to make you mad." |
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Post by Hurbster on Mar 16, 2024 19:46:51 GMT -5
"The WWE you grew up with is gone."
Good.
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Post by sasqwatchers on Mar 16, 2024 19:53:50 GMT -5
I’m 36 the Wwe I grew up with died a long time ago op. Who was your favorite wrestler when you were a kid? I’d have to go by eras. First Warrior or Savage, HBK, then Austin and Undertaker, then Lesnar, then Edge in the Rated R era. I’ve watched my whole life til about 8 or 9 years ago when it got so bad I bailed until Cody came back. NXT what a good run but I quit that art the Ciampa Johnny feud. I was not into post shield Wwe at all and it became the Roman Show. I stopped completely when he returned from illness. But it wasn’t great without him either. |
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Post by Legion on Mar 16, 2024 20:01:46 GMT -5
Yeah, it is.
And that means some good changes like the consistent pushes for some talent, the title runs that mean something and the new presentation of people with the Dunn-less TV stuff.
It also means somr bad things, like ring mat sponsorship, random MMA celebs in the crowd every show and over pandering to The Rock.
We'll see how it works out long term, but yes, as a premise, the WWF/E we all knew is now gone.
It was epitomised by Vince. He was all over everything.
No Vince means things are different. Different isnt always bad. But the judgement on this change cant be made just yet.
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Post by cosmo on Mar 16, 2024 20:11:35 GMT -5
I grew up with Shawn Michaels shaking his ass and taking off his pants and Goldust gyrating all over dudes. Whether you think that’s better or worse than today I’ll leave entirely up to you.
I won't lie, I'd rather see Bad Bunny hitting Canadian Destroyers on people at SummerSlam than listen to Jerry Lawler's commentary where it sounds like he's furiously masturbating every time a big-breasted woman walks to the ring.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 16, 2024 20:53:40 GMT -5
Not to mention, you guys think Vince is a rapist, right? And Endeavor had the same information and they put him on their board and gave him a fat salary. How many red flags do you guys need to see? Wait hold hold hold up are you putting "put a rapist on their board" as a problem higher than "being a rapist"? How is the rape not a redder flag? |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 16, 2024 21:05:20 GMT -5
Not to mention, you guys think Vince is a rapist, right? And Endeavor had the same information and they put him on their board and gave him a fat salary. How many red flags do you guys need to see? Wait hold hold hold up are you putting "put a rapist on their board" as a problem higher than "being a rapist"? How is the rape not a redder flag? This is literally a Norm MacDonald bit… “Someone told me the worst part of this was the actions of the board, and I disagree. I think the worst part was the raping”. |
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Post by jabroni on Mar 16, 2024 21:29:59 GMT -5
Who was your favorite wrestler when you were a kid? I’d have to go by eras. First Warrior or Savage, HBK, then Austin and Undertaker, then Lesnar, then Edge in the Rated R era. I’ve watched my whole life til about 8 or 9 years ago when it got so bad I bailed until Cody came back. NXT what a good run but I quit that art the Ciampa Johnny feud. I was not into post shield Wwe at all and it became the Roman Show. I stopped completely when he returned from illness. But it wasn’t great without him either. Nice. My brother and I grew up loving Stone Cold Steve Austin. He was my first favorite wrestler. Then I became an RVD mark and then an Edge mark. Once Edge retired I latched onto Seth Rollins and AJ Styles. Nowadays? AJ Styles and the Miz are my favorites nowadays. CM Punk too but he hasn't been able to do much for me to check that box. But I have no doubt he'll deliver. Thank you for sharing. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 16, 2024 21:31:18 GMT -5
Good f***ing riddance. This was supposed to generate heat. If this upset you, then that was just good old Vince having his finger on the pulse. He's a natural heel, he knows how to get people to boo. This is a great example of the good old days. It's part of a show. He didn't "really" make Trish act like a dog, hell these wrestlers can make in excess of five-figures per taping. Back in the day, Trish probably bought herself a brand new car or put the down payment on her house for such an exquisite performance like this. Look at the look on her face, it's almost as if she is actually crying. I've never been more convinced with her acting skills than I was in this segment. You can't take it too seriously, they're just having fun to entertain the fans! Remember the Edge, Lita live sex celebration? They weren't really have sex, they were having fun! Then the Nature Boy comes out in one of the HIGHEST RATED SEGMENTS in Monday Night Raw history. Society was different back then. This type of stuff isn't as sensitive as it was back then. You can't use a current lens to analyze previous content. If you did that, then we'd never have the Attitude Era or Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah you're one of those guys. Considering what Vince has been accused of this is a pretty disgusting thing to post. |
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Post by jabroni on Mar 16, 2024 21:34:40 GMT -5
This was supposed to generate heat. If this upset you, then that was just good old Vince having his finger on the pulse. He's a natural heel, he knows how to get people to boo. This is a great example of the good old days. It's part of a show. He didn't "really" make Trish act like a dog, hell these wrestlers can make in excess of five-figures per taping. Back in the day, Trish probably bought herself a brand new car or put the down payment on her house for such an exquisite performance like this. Look at the look on her face, it's almost as if she is actually crying. I've never been more convinced with her acting skills than I was in this segment. You can't take it too seriously, they're just having fun to entertain the fans! Remember the Edge, Lita live sex celebration? They weren't really have sex, they were having fun! Then the Nature Boy comes out in one of the HIGHEST RATED SEGMENTS in Monday Night Raw history. Society was different back then. This type of stuff isn't as sensitive as it was back then. You can't use a current lens to analyze previous content. If you did that, then we'd never have the Attitude Era or Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah you're one of those guys. Considering what Vince has been accused of this is a pretty disgusting thing to post. I didn't post the picture. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 16, 2024 21:36:20 GMT -5
Yeah you're one of those guys. Considering what Vince has been accused of this is a pretty disgusting thing to post. I didn't post the picture. Your response is the thing that's disgusting. I'm not impressed by your gimmick. |
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Post by jabroni on Mar 16, 2024 21:37:57 GMT -5
I didn't post the picture. Your response is the thing that's disgusting. I'm not impressed by your gimmick. Everything is subjective. We all have different backgrounds and perspectives. It was different times and it got insane heat. What Vince was alleged of doing happened decades after this, so even conflating that isn't fair. Those habits could be something he established decades after the Trish thing. What you're alluding contains a lot of assumptions. I can't comment on something that happened in 1995 through 2005 because of something he did in 2023/2024? I don't think that's the right way of thinking but I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 16, 2024 21:59:52 GMT -5
Your response is the thing that's disgusting. I'm not impressed by your gimmick. Everything is subjective. We all have different backgrounds and perspectives. It was different times and it got insane heat. What Vince was alleged of doing happened decades after this, so even conflating that isn't fair. Those habits could be something he established decades after the Trish thing. What you're alluding contains a lot of assumptions. I can't comment on something that happened in 1995 through 2005 because of something he did in 2023/2024? I don't think that's the right way of thinking but I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. If you think Vince wasn't raping women when there's other allegations from the past and him forcing himself on divas wasn't an issue. I have a land in the Bermuda Triangle to sell you. He was always a massive POS. Your topic I thought was gonna be different in terms of content but I'm not buying what you're selling bud. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 16, 2024 22:04:46 GMT -5
Rita Chatterton accused Vince McMahon of raping her in 1986. "Something he did in 2023" is so far from even kind of the truth.
God I was ready for like a "WWE was better under Vince, ignore what he did and focus on the good times" thread but I was not expecting this to go into just actually blasting on by the shit.
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Post by jabroni on Mar 16, 2024 22:05:39 GMT -5
Everything is subjective. We all have different backgrounds and perspectives. It was different times and it got insane heat. What Vince was alleged of doing happened decades after this, so even conflating that isn't fair. Those habits could be something he established decades after the Trish thing. What you're alluding contains a lot of assumptions. I can't comment on something that happened in 1995 through 2005 because of something he did in 2023/2024? I don't think that's the right way of thinking but I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. If you think Vince wasn't raping women when there's other allegations from the past and him forcing himself on divas wasn't an issue. I have a land in the Bermuda Triangle to sell you. He was always a massive POS. Your topic I thought was gonna be different in terms of content but I'm not buying what you're selling bud. My topic is a compare and contrast of the WWE pre and post Endeavor. Others have brought the topic in other directions, I am enjoying the discussion and want to know who's people's favorite wrestlers were growing up when they mention their WWE was gone long ago. There's a genuine and fun discussion to be had here. If it's up to me, I prefer not to talk about the Vince thing again. We all have our thoughts and the legal system will do its thing. Pee Wee Herman went to jail for bad things and was forgiven. Am I wrong for loving his show the same show I enjoyed as a child for things he did later in his life? We don't know if these people were always f***ed mentally or if they became twisted later in life and at the least to me, life is more fun when you can separate the human from the character. Michael Jackson total weirdo, right? His songs are revered. Kevin Spacey has some great movies. Are they not great movies because he ended up being a weirdo? From an entertainment perspective, I'd like to be able to talk about the past without having to talk about the present. Nothing he did in that Trish segment is against the law and if you watched any TV from 1995 to 2005 you'd find he wasn't the only person acting like this in American society. Agree to disagree. |
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