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Post by callmekc on Mar 29, 2024 5:50:48 GMT -5
I remember at the time thinking that the Charlotte stuff and the dumb photoshops were things between friends goofing off and laughing about it in the back seat. Finding otu that the whole thing cost her that friendship and broke trust between them is kind of crazy, but it does go a long way in underscoring the main issue with people are so deep in needing to "work" everyone on twitter. These two were good friends in a feud and it still ended up being a problem, so now think about how many people get bruised from some shithead deciding he's gonna "start working" someone they aren't involved with.
That portion of the book is interesting, because you can tell she's trying to be fair to Charlotte's perspective (while explaining that at the time she thought Charlotte was 'being a baby'), and expresses regret for some of her social media, but she also doesn't really explain why it was hurtful. She brings up commenting on WWE's preference for blondes, but leaves out the digs she was taking at Charlotte's appearance and plastic surgery (like that 'everything about you is fake!' promo), which were probably the parts that hurt her most. She also doesn't talk about her shift to doing most of her 2018/19 interviews in-character, which included lines like how if not for her, the other women in the division would just be 'brushing each other's hair', which probably didn't help matters.
Also, on the Ronda/tapping story, it's actually even worse than that tweet makes out. It came up when they were proposing a sequence where Ronda would nearly tap out before Charlotte broke it up, and even that was too much.
I would be a bit shocked if Charlotte didn't have a history of body image issues. Having your friend who you probably confided in turn around and weaponise that in a way that would get other fans to echo the message and be assholes? Yeah I can see how that would damage trust.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 29, 2024 6:10:30 GMT -5
What I learned most in this thread is Ronda Rousey's mom is kind of a psycho lol
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 29, 2024 6:22:23 GMT -5
That portion of the book is interesting, because you can tell she's trying to be fair to Charlotte's perspective (while explaining that at the time she thought Charlotte was 'being a baby'), and expresses regret for some of her social media, but she also doesn't really explain why it was hurtful. She brings up commenting on WWE's preference for blondes, but leaves out the digs she was taking at Charlotte's appearance and plastic surgery (like that 'everything about you is fake!' promo), which were probably the parts that hurt her most. She also doesn't talk about her shift to doing most of her 2018/19 interviews in-character, which included lines like how if not for her, the other women in the division would just be 'brushing each other's hair', which probably didn't help matters.
Also, on the Ronda/tapping story, it's actually even worse than that tweet makes out. It came up when they were proposing a sequence where Ronda would nearly tap out before Charlotte broke it up, and even that was too much.
I would be a bit shocked if Charlotte didn't have a history of body image issues. Having your friend who you probably confided in turn around and weaponise that in a way that would get other fans to echo the message and be assholes? Yeah I can see how that would damage trust.
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Post by callmekc on Mar 29, 2024 6:59:46 GMT -5
I would be a bit shocked if Charlotte didn't have a history of body image issues. Having your friend who you probably confided in turn around and weaponise that in a way that would get other fans to echo the message and be assholes? Yeah I can see how that would damage trust.
Unfortunately, that kinda tracks from both ends. Becky's tweets and promos were likely things that she wouldn't have an issue with if they were said to her. However she didn't understand (and seemingly still doesn't) why they affect Charlotte more than she expected. Charlotte saw it as someone she trusted exploiting her vulnerabilities to advance her career. Which kinda explains why the belt handover thing went the way it did. She didn't trust Becky not to f*** her over in the segment so she didn't give her the chance. Poorly handled but understandable with context. I should really read both books really.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 29, 2024 7:18:23 GMT -5
She's right to regret crossing the line with the Charlotte stuff, honestly. Like, that's an issue people run into with social media. You can use it as a promotion tool, but if you're going further on there than you would on TV, don't kid yourself into thinking you aren't playing with fire, and don't piss and moan if the people you burned take issue with it. Didn’t help that so much of the fanbase were egging her on, because to them Charlotte isn’t a real person with feelings, she’s just that annoying c*** that wins all the time. Yeah even here it’s crazy how many posters would rip on Charlotte and paint her out to be a selfish person that no one likes backstage, when I’ve only really heard the opposite.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Mar 29, 2024 7:38:29 GMT -5
so what you are saying is Ronda Rousey does give a damn about her reputation?
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 29, 2024 7:46:00 GMT -5
What I learned most in this thread is Ronda Rousey's mom is kind of a psycho lol A lil' weirdo.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 29, 2024 7:49:02 GMT -5
Between the Sandy Hook stuff and now this, goddamn.
The inside of Ronda's head must sound like some marbles rolling around, huh?
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Post by schma on Mar 29, 2024 9:08:58 GMT -5
She's right to regret crossing the line with the Charlotte stuff, honestly. Like, that's an issue people run into with social media. You can use it as a promotion tool, but if you're going further on there than you would on TV, don't kid yourself into thinking you aren't playing with fire, and don't piss and moan if the people you burned take issue with it. Didn’t help that so much of the fanbase were egging her on, because to them Charlotte isn’t a real person with feelings, she’s just that annoying c*** that wins all the time. While I was absolutely tired of Charlotte's presence in the title picture, I always kinda pictured them beside each other laughing about the tweets they were putting out. It was known that they were friends and I had thought Charlotte was in on it. Knowing now what we know about her body image issues, Becky definitely should have been more aware of that or checked in with Charlotte at some point. I can understand how as another said that Becky might not have got it because she wouldn't have been bothered by what she was saying, but Charlotte was a friend she was seeing almost every day. Didn’t help that so much of the fanbase were egging her on, because to them Charlotte isn’t a real person with feelings, she’s just that annoying c*** that wins all the time. Yeah even here it’s crazy how many posters would rip on Charlotte and paint her out to be a selfish person that no one likes backstage, when I’ve only really heard the opposite. Charlotte herself in interviews has pretty much laid out that she very much had an attitude of needing to be in the title picture, needing to be in that main event. It strikes me that she got some bad advice from someone along the way, but it was definitely intimated that she used her pull to stay as prominent as she was (she went something like 2 or 3 straight years of either holding the title or challenging for it). There are also the instances we've seen in her more recent runs where she only seems to put her work boots on for some people. Others she gives nothing to.
To be clear, I don't think she's a bad person. She's probably seen how cutthroat this business can be and thinks she needs to protect her spot at all costs.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 29, 2024 9:31:48 GMT -5
Unfortunately, that kinda tracks from both ends. Becky's tweets and promos were likely things that she wouldn't have an issue with if they were said to her. However she didn't understand (and seemingly still doesn't) why they affect Charlotte more than she expected. Charlotte saw it as someone she trusted exploiting her vulnerabilities to advance her career. Which kinda explains why the belt handover thing went the way it did. She didn't trust Becky not to f*** her over in the segment so she didn't give her the chance. Poorly handled but understandable with context. I should really read both books really.
The problem with Second Nature is that it was published in 2017 and doesn't cover anything after Wrestlemania 32. So needless to say, much has happened since. Interestingly, Becky does say in her book that even with their tensions, the two might have potentially rekindled things if not for the Nia punch. She talks about how they worked together well at Evolution, they hugged backstage after the match (when they thought their on-air feud was over), and mentions that on the European tour afterwards that even if it wasn't exactly how it used to be, the two could talk to each other non-awkwardly. But after that point, we hear very little about Charlotte in general. Becky relates Road Dogg telling her that Charlotte had been put in a really hard spot by the Nia punch, mentions her crying after losing the Rumble (Becky didn't talk to her because they weren't close like that by then), and has an anecdote about her being told during WM 35 rehearsals that she was the third wheel in the triple-threat, along with (in a rushed epilogue) Becky quoting what she yelled at Charlotte after the belt swap.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 29, 2024 9:33:28 GMT -5
I'm really glad that Becky and Charlotte are friends again. It bummed me out that they had a real life falling out over all of that. And I thought Ronda was pretty good during her first run, but she definitely regressed during her second for whatever reasons. She was mostly awful, and no one ever looked good in a program with her. This is how Bret and Shawn should've patched things up in 1997 and we never get Montreal. On the other hand, imagine if Shawn had Twitter in his soma induced 1997 phase? He would probably tell Bret to suck daily on twitter.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 29, 2024 9:37:56 GMT -5
Yeah even here it’s crazy how many posters would rip on Charlotte and paint her out to be a selfish person that no one likes backstage, when I’ve only really heard the opposite. Charlotte herself in interviews has pretty much laid out that she very much had an attitude of needing to be in the title picture, needing to be in that main event. It strikes me that she got some bad advice from someone along the way, but it was definitely intimated that she used her pull to stay as prominent as she was (she went something like 2 or 3 straight years of either holding the title or challenging for it). There are also the instances we've seen in her more recent runs where she only seems to put her work boots on for some people. Others she gives nothing to.
To be clear, I don't think she's a bad person. She's probably seen how cutthroat this business can be and thinks she needs to protect her spot at all costs.
This is also something that Becky leaves frustratingly implicit in her book. She doesn't cover 2019 after WM 35 in much detail, but there's an interesting passage where she talks about how she feels that she was becoming insecure and almost paranoid in that time, often clashing with creative (the only specific examples she brings up are being turned down to lose at WM 36 and her 'you be a warrior, I'll be a mother' segment with Asuka) and worrying excessively about how she came off in segments. What she doesn't say however, is whether that gave her a different perspective on how Charlotte had acted, and whether it was just something inherent to being on top in the pressure-cooker environment that was WWE back then.
Speaking of this, something else I wish Becky elaborated on. She says that in the lead-up to Survivor Series 2018 that Ronda was genuinely cool to work with. Ronda was relaxed about how the WWE locker room was compared to what she experienced in UFC, and only had 'light guidelines' on what was off-limits for Becky to use in social media or promos. She says nothing however about the way their social media went during to the WM 35 build (which famously went pretty off the rails, including Ronda's quasi-shoot stuff and Becky photoshopping Ronda's husband onto a d**k), whether there were still those light guidelines or whether things had changed.
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Post by clc on Mar 29, 2024 9:41:05 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to tap and everyone thought Ronda getting tapped out was unrealistic, then they should have ended the match with Ronda being knocked out cold with a boot to the head. We all saw that's very believable I hate the idea that MMA people are somehow way more credible than WWE people. It's WWE. It's fictitious; and in this fictitious world, WWE wrestlers should be the best at WWE wrestling.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 29, 2024 9:44:52 GMT -5
Ronda wasnt a star either
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 29, 2024 10:44:35 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to tap and everyone thought Ronda getting tapped out was unrealistic, then they should have ended the match with Ronda being knocked out cold with a boot to the head. We all saw that's very believable I hate the idea that MMA people are somehow way more credible than WWE people. It's WWE. It's fictitious; and in this fictitious world, WWE wrestlers should be the best at WWE wrestling.
It's f***ing amazing how many stories about those with legitimate skills have this "tough guy" act even if they could stretch half the roster. Akira Maeda, Low-Ki, Tiger Mask I, Ronda, etc. Folks, this game is bullshit.
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Post by Watch AEW Magnitude on Mar 29, 2024 11:14:40 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to tap and everyone thought Ronda getting tapped out was unrealistic, then they should have ended the match with Ronda being knocked out cold with a boot to the head. We all saw that's very believable I hate the idea that MMA people are somehow way more credible than WWE people. It's WWE. It's fictitious; and in this fictitious world, WWE wrestlers should be the best at WWE wrestling.
It’s so stupid. If you use real life logic in wrestling, pretty much every Kurt Angle match should have ended in less than a minute with him just grappling Stone Cold to hell.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 29, 2024 11:26:08 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to tap and everyone thought Ronda getting tapped out was unrealistic, then they should have ended the match with Ronda being knocked out cold with a boot to the head. We all saw that's very believable I hate the idea that MMA people are somehow way more credible than WWE people. It's WWE. It's fictitious; and in this fictitious world, WWE wrestlers should be the best at WWE wrestling.
This sort of stuff "exposes the business" more than any insider references, cringy worked shoots, or high speed matches that don't have any sort of writhing around in agony for selling. It's pretty much admitting that "our fake fighting wrestlers don't stand a chance against this real fighter!" Unless you're bringing back Brawl for All (note: don't bring back Brawl for All), the top wrestlers should be presented as having a clear experience advantage over a great MMA fighter or boxer who is a wrestling neophyte.
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Post by msc on Mar 29, 2024 11:56:35 GMT -5
Man, your parents really do f*** you up as Larkin said, looking at rouseys mum.
Dan Severn and Steve Blackman could have legit killed the entire roster yet happily jobbed to all and sundry.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Mar 29, 2024 12:12:39 GMT -5
What I learned most in this thread is Ronda Rousey's mom is kind of a psycho lol I coach kids in a few sports in my spare time. While 90% of parents are great, there are parents like Ronda's mom in every sport.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 29, 2024 12:20:27 GMT -5
I don’t like saying somebody is a “f***ing mark” but goddamn Ronda Rousey and her mom ate “f***ing marks” lmao
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