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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2024 12:31:12 GMT -5
What I learned most in this thread is Ronda Rousey's mom is kind of a psycho lol Most people forgot how abusive Rondas mom was. She's was on some Stu Hart stuff trying to turn Rinda into an Olympian. She'd wake her up early in the morning to start rolling with her. She's also all Ronda has left especially when her father committed suicide.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 29, 2024 12:33:29 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to tap and everyone thought Ronda getting tapped out was unrealistic, then they should have ended the match with Ronda being knocked out cold with a boot to the head. We all saw that's very believable I hate the idea that MMA people are somehow way more credible than WWE people. It's WWE. It's fictitious; and in this fictitious world, WWE wrestlers should be the best at WWE wrestling.
I can even buy "instantly credible and performing at a relatively high level", on the idea that pro wrestling too is a combat sport with transferrable skill sets, and a grappler with a really dominant submission win career can come into pro wrestling, do a good grapple, and not have to Young Lion their way up the card. But that's rarely how it actually goes, and it's absolutely stupid how something like "Ronda tapping is unrealistic" can get thrown around that takes it from "MMA people can wrestle" do "wrestlers are worse than MMA people". At its most charitable, making Ronda tap should be an impressive feat done by a very credible submission hold, the same way that getting a super technical wrestler to tap is an impressive feat only someone with a good hold of their own can do. Maybe Becky shouldn't be able to chain wrestle Ronda and do judo on her better, but come the f*** on.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Mar 29, 2024 12:36:33 GMT -5
There is a ton of stuff out there on AnnMaria De Mars (Ronda's mom) being kind of psycho, but even past that just a complete jerk. She wanted Ronda to be 'so good at countering armbars she could do it in her sleep' and during Ronda's childhood would repeatedly armbar her, including waking her up with armbars. Ronda even spent some time living out of her car to avoid living with AnnMaria.
AnnMaria was also every bit the nasty trashtalker and bad winner Ronda was. She just characterized it as 'the psychological part of the fight.'
And there are apocryphal stories about AnnMaria encouraging a preteen Ronda to yell insults from the judo mats at her (AnnMaria's) opponents.
AnnMaria also refused to attend the Holm fight because during the leadup she told Ronda that she wasn't taking the fight seriously enough and was going to lose for that reason.
AnnMaria has also been heavily involved in standard and vocational education for Native Americans.
So if you're wondering where Ronda got her ability to participate in amazing acts of philanthropy while being, using as polite a term as possible, a total pricklepuss, it was inherited and in some cases literally taught to her by her mother.
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Post by krozor on Mar 29, 2024 12:51:43 GMT -5
The reasoning is dumb, but I actually agree that Ronda tapping there wasn't the right finish, Becky beating her with pro wrestling moves is the right finish, since it gives Ronda something she has to get better at and sets up rematch stakes of "Yeah, you pinned me with pro wrestling move, but I'm getting better at pro wrestling every day and I bet you'd never be able to tap me out!"
Also, we should never forget the power ratings of people in wrestling, from least to most powerful: 5. An active pro wrestler 4. A retired, old pro wrestling legend 3. A promoter's kid 2. Someone with legit MMA/wrestling skill, regardless if they have ever done pro wrestling 1. A celebrity, any celebrity
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Post by ghost on Mar 29, 2024 13:03:29 GMT -5
Remember how annoying it was whenever someone would say "you know wrestling is fake, right?"
Someone needed to say that to Ronda's mom.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 29, 2024 13:42:56 GMT -5
Yeesh, Ronda's mom sounds like a nutjob.
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Post by Renslayer on Mar 29, 2024 13:43:33 GMT -5
She's right to regret crossing the line with the Charlotte stuff, honestly. Like, that's an issue people run into with social media. You can use it as a promotion tool, but if you're going further on there than you would on TV, don't kid yourself into thinking you aren't playing with fire, and don't piss and moan if the people you burned take issue with it. This right here is too real. You get to performing for the online audience while forgetting that you have to talk to the actual person you're dissing every day at work. I see it happen so much on Twitter and I'm glad big time made amends to charlotte
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Post by clc on Mar 29, 2024 13:52:17 GMT -5
The reasoning is dumb, but I actually agree that Ronda tapping there wasn't the right finish, Becky beating her with pro wrestling moves is the right finish, since it gives Ronda something she has to get better at and sets up rematch stakes of "Yeah, you pinned me with pro wrestling move, but I'm getting better at pro wrestling every day and I bet you'd never be able to tap me out!" Also, we should never forget the power ratings of people in wrestling, from least to most powerful: 5. An active pro wrestler 4. A retired, old pro wrestling legend 3. A promoter's kid 2. Someone with legit MMA/wrestling skill, regardless if they have ever done pro wrestling 1. A celebrity, any celebrity I hate how correct you are about the power rating thing!
If the finish was for Becky to win in a surprise roll up, then that should not have been the main event match of Wrestlemania. Fans have been conditioned to expect an exciting big match with an exciting ending. I'll forever die on the hill that Kofi should have main evented Wrestlemania 35. I know we all wanted the girls to get a main event, but by the time Mania came around, The Kofimania story was way better then the mess of a story that Becky vs Ronda vs Charlotte turned into. Add to that the planned finish being a stinkin' surprise roll up!
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 29, 2024 14:06:03 GMT -5
Between the Sandy Hook stuff and now this, goddamn. The inside of Ronda's head must sound like some marbles rolling around, huh? makes me feel way worse for wanting her to leave wrestling so badly the whole time. she has some real piece of shit opinions but having a parent like that explains a whooooooole lot
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Mar 29, 2024 15:32:04 GMT -5
I said this at the time, but the way to handle Ronda/Becky at Wrestlemania was to lean on real life, only instead of stupid worked shoots on twitter, build the match around "Ronda's psycho mother spent so much time drilling Ronda on escaping armbars that Ronda got so good at it that Becky attempting the DisarmHer is more dangerous for Becky than for Ronda, and Becky's going to have to go up against one of the best fighters in the world today without access to her primary finishing move."
Another way to handle things would've been to have Becky and Charlotte both apply the DisarmHer to Ronda, one on each arm. That would give Becky/Charlotte the "clean with a huge asterisk" tapout win while saving Ronda's dignity and giving her a great reentry point if she decided to come back, and then let Becky/Charlotte go to the decisive Wrestlemania Feel Good Moment ending.
There's even the fact that since leglocks are banned in Judo, Ronda wouldn't be as good at defending against them as she would most other submissions, and Becky used to use a modified cloverleaf finisher (I forget the gimmick name) in her NXT days when she had the metalhead gimmick, and if they really wanted the clean finish they could've had Becky get that leglock and Ronda pass out in it rather than tap. And of course going for a Sharpshooter would've gotten a great reaction.
SO many different ways they could've come up with something awesome.
I've always thought the real problem with Ronda's time in WWE was that they were banking so hard on getting Invincible MMA Queen Ronda and after Holly Holm kicked her head off they didn't know what else to do with Ronda so they just tried to ignore it. "Third baddest woman in the world who used to be the first baddest and has a huge complex over having been on top of the mountain and lost it" is a gimmick that writes itself, but they never tried.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 29, 2024 18:15:28 GMT -5
If Ronda didn't want to tap and everyone thought Ronda getting tapped out was unrealistic, then they should have ended the match with Ronda being knocked out cold with a boot to the head. We all saw that's very believable I hate the idea that MMA people are somehow way more credible than WWE people. It's WWE. It's fictitious; and in this fictitious world, WWE wrestlers should be the best at WWE wrestling.
I can even buy "instantly credible and performing at a relatively high level", on the idea that pro wrestling too is a combat sport with transferrable skill sets, and a grappler with a really dominant submission win career can come into pro wrestling, do a good grapple, and not have to Young Lion their way up the card. But that's rarely how it actually goes, and it's absolutely stupid how something like "Ronda tapping is unrealistic" can get thrown around that takes it from "MMA people can wrestle" do "wrestlers are worse than MMA people". At its most charitable, making Ronda tap should be an impressive feat done by a very credible submission hold, the same way that getting a super technical wrestler to tap is an impressive feat only someone with a good hold of their own can do. Maybe Becky shouldn't be able to chain wrestle Ronda and do judo on her better, but come the f*** on. and like... Becky's submission finisher is an Armbar...the same type of move that Ronda used
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Post by HIM on Mar 29, 2024 18:19:59 GMT -5
This whole thing just goes to show that us saying Charlotte needed to be involved in this was the right move. There were things behind the scenes that make it look far more clear. I mean sure, from a story perspective Becky/Ronda could have been fine but from a professional, workrate, "Becky being at the top of the world" perspective they did the right thing. She beat the 2 best kayfabe in the business and Ronda just wasn't going to do what's right. Ronda is a big baby.
Man this finish looks even worse knowing this. Ronda really thought this ending was good lol.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Mar 29, 2024 18:31:29 GMT -5
This whole thing just goes to show that us saying Charlotte needed to be involved in this was the right move. There were things behind the scenes that make it look far more clear. I mean sure, from a story perspective Becky/Ronda could have been fine but from a professional, workrate, "Becky being at the top of the world" perspective they did the right thing. She beat the 2 best kayfabe in the business and Ronda just wasn't going to do what's right. Ronda is a big baby.
Man this finish looks even worse knowing this. Ronda really thought this was good lol.
The reality is, despite being over, Ronda was not good enough to help carry a WM main event.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 29, 2024 18:32:32 GMT -5
Between the Sandy Hook stuff and now this, goddamn. The inside of Ronda's head must sound like some marbles rolling around, huh? Parental abuse can f*** you up pretty bad for life. (Don't ask me how I know)
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 30, 2024 7:56:02 GMT -5
This whole thing just goes to show that us saying Charlotte needed to be involved in this was the right move. There were things behind the scenes that make it look far more clear. I mean sure, from a story perspective Becky/Ronda could have been fine but from a professional, workrate, "Becky being at the top of the world" perspective they did the right thing. She beat the 2 best kayfabe in the business and Ronda just wasn't going to do what's right. Ronda is a big baby.
Man this finish looks even worse knowing this. Ronda really thought this ending was good lol.
In its defense, I maintain the finish could have worked if the Ronda/Becky sequence leading up to it was more interesting (in actuality it's really rushed), and if the pin had actually been executed properly. The idea of non-wrestler Ronda finally losing to a flash pin could have showed Becky's smarts, but it was slow and awkward and Ronda's shoulder was up early.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 30, 2024 11:25:46 GMT -5
Also, I really had no idea all that worked shoot nonsense Becky was doing with Charlotte wasn't actually the two of them laughing about it behind the keyboards and caused legit harm to their friendship. Glad they seemed to get past that, and it just shows how stupid that whole trend was at the time.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Apr 1, 2024 9:49:30 GMT -5
Apparently more of the book’s contents have hit the ol’ Twitter and it seems Becky besmirches Alexa Bliss quite a bit.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 1, 2024 10:04:31 GMT -5
Apparently more of the book’s contents have hit the ol’ Twitter and it seems Becky besmirches Alexa Bliss quite a bit. She doesn’t, really. Like, I’m looking through and what Lynch mentions about Bliss is: *She thought it was hard to book a good match between the two because of the size difference and the alignments they were in at the time (babyface Lynch v heel Bliss) *She was upset about dropping the title to her at TLC 2016, but not at Bliss herself, more at the general booking of that title run *She thought she was a better option to win Money In The Bank in 2018 than Bliss was Literally none of this is inflammatory. I bet a bunch of stans have had their f***in’ way with it and tried to spin it like was, though.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 1, 2024 10:08:57 GMT -5
Apparently more of the book’s contents have hit the ol’ Twitter and it seems Becky besmirches Alexa Bliss quite a bit. She doesn’t, really. Like, I’m looking through and what Lynch mentions about Bliss is: *She thought it was hard to book a good match between the two because of the size difference and the alignments they were in at the time (babyface Lynch v heel Bliss) *She was upset about dropping the title to her at TLC 2016, but not at Bliss herself, more at the general booking of that title run *She thought she was a better option to win Money In The Bank in 2018 than Bliss was Literally none of this is inflammatory. I've come around on Bliss over the years, but her booking was frustrating at times. She was going over way too cleanly, especially once she won the title. She called Mickie old and over the hill, and then beat her clean. She called Bayley a wuss, was proven right, and beat her clean She got way too much offense against Nia at Mania.
I can see talent's frustrations with her, booking wise
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2024 10:10:08 GMT -5
Never thought I would ever get to a moment where I read anything where Becky cared about size difference between herself and an opponent.
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