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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 1, 2024 10:10:50 GMT -5
She doesn’t, really. Like, I’m looking through and what Lynch mentions about Bliss is: *She thought it was hard to book a good match between the two because of the size difference and the alignments they were in at the time (babyface Lynch v heel Bliss) *She was upset about dropping the title to her at TLC 2016, but not at Bliss herself, more at the general booking of that title run *She thought she was a better option to win Money In The Bank in 2018 than Bliss was Literally none of this is inflammatory. I've come around on Bliss over the years, but her booking was frustrating at times. She was going over way too cleanly, especially once she won the title I don’t disagree with that, but the idea of Lynch having a personal issue with Bliss herself for it, or for anything, just isn’t there in the book. She may well do, but it’s not there in the text.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 1, 2024 10:13:42 GMT -5
Becky’s entire first title reign in 2016 was booked pretty terribly.
Alexa’s booking was the problem for years, not so much Alexa herself. The way her feuds were written made it VERY hard for the baby faces to come out looking good.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 1, 2024 10:15:52 GMT -5
Never thought I would ever get to a moment where I read anything where Becky cared about size difference between herself and an opponent. It reads like she just wasn’t sure how, as a babyface, she was going to lead a match with such a small opponent as the heel. And being hamstrung by WWE’s booking tendencies didn’t help matters.
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Post by Watch AEW Magnitude on Apr 1, 2024 10:17:10 GMT -5
She doesn’t, really. Like, I’m looking through and what Lynch mentions about Bliss is: *She thought it was hard to book a good match between the two because of the size difference and the alignments they were in at the time (babyface Lynch v heel Bliss) *She was upset about dropping the title to her at TLC 2016, but not at Bliss herself, more at the general booking of that title run *She thought she was a better option to win Money In The Bank in 2018 than Bliss was Literally none of this is inflammatory. I've come around on Bliss over the years, but her booking was frustrating at times. She was going over way too cleanly, especially once she won the title. She called Mickie old and over the hill, and then beat her clean. She called Bayley a wuss, was proven right, and beat her clean She got way too much offense against Nia at Mania.
I can see talent's frustrations with her, booking wiseAlso the fact that she started using a knockout punch as a finisher for no particular reason and it was silly every time.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 1, 2024 10:20:16 GMT -5
She called Sasha a choke artist who could never defend her title. And beat Sasha clean like 8 days later.
Then Mickie just decided to become Alexa’s lackey out of nowhere after their feud?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 1, 2024 10:24:13 GMT -5
She called Sasha a choke artist who could never defend her title. And beat Sasha clean like 8 days later. Then Mickie just decided to become Alexa’s lackey out of nowhere after their feud? Yeah, I forgot about that. Like, please don't get me wrong, Alexa is a great talent but she was booked straight up mean girl dominant instead of being a mean girl with a weasel streak in her to keep the title. Having a lackey was a good call. Having the lackey be a girl she made an ass out of made zero sense
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Post by eJm on Apr 1, 2024 10:38:30 GMT -5
I’ll share the same sentiment as others; for a company that used to care about believability and bodies being a factor in booking (rightfully or wrongfully, mostly wrongfully), Alexa’s booking was weird.
I don’t like her but her getting the heat on Nia Jax without many underhanded tactics was bizarre. She should have been pushing her into posts using her own momentum and cutting her off at the legs. Not even Hogan did that with some of the bigger guys he faced.
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Post by Renslayer on Apr 1, 2024 10:39:03 GMT -5
Having that maniacal pervert yelling at me while I'm on one hour's sleep would drove me bonkers
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 1, 2024 10:44:21 GMT -5
Having that maniacal pervert yelling at me while I'm on one hour's sleep would drove me bonkers More for the other point about her liking WM38 more than WM35…. I get it. Heels are generally more interesting characters because they get to do all the actual stuff that starts stories and moves stories along. Picking fights, talking shit, all that stuff. The babyface can only react to do it, because babyfaces generally have to be honourable and play by the rules, and not start fights for petty reasons.
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Post by eJm on Apr 1, 2024 11:17:25 GMT -5
Having that maniacal pervert yelling at me while I'm on one hour's sleep would drove me bonkers More for the other point about her liking WM38 more than WM35…. I get it. Heels are generally more interesting characters because they get to do all the actual stuff that starts stories and moves stories along. Picking fights, talking shit, all that stuff. The babyface can only react to do it, because babyfaces generally have to be honourable and play by the rules, and not start fights for petty reasons. It also helped it was a make good from the SummerSlam debacle to give Bianca a big win on the big stage.
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Post by mistery on Apr 1, 2024 11:48:24 GMT -5
She called Sasha a choke artist who could never defend her title. And beat Sasha clean like 8 days later. Then Mickie just decided to become Alexa’s lackey out of nowhere after their feud? Yeah, I forgot about that. Like, please don't get me wrong, Alexa is a great talent but she was booked straight up mean girl dominant instead of being a mean girl with a weasel streak in her to keep the title. Having a lackey was a good call. Having the lackey be a girl she made an ass out of made zero sense Alexa's booking has pretty much always been frustrating. Let's not forget when she was basically Lady Fiend, and completely and utterly squashed Asuka (who had to sell being terrified of her the entire match), pretty much killing any credibility Asuka had as champion, and basically being the nail in the coffin for her as champ. It doesn't help that the only reason Asuka remained champ was because Orton showed up and RKOed Alexa, but it was ruled a no-contest as well. But yeah, Becky largely seems very unselfish, and I feel like she's kinda in the same mentality Bayley is at this point. Where she wants to put over the newer stars more often than not. I mean the woman got Xia Li onto TV and a bit of heat, despite the fact that Xia Li was ice cold. And vanished from TV again as soon as she lost to Becky.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 1, 2024 13:07:38 GMT -5
I’ll share the same sentiment as others; for a company that used to care about believability and bodies being a factor in booking (rightfully or wrongfully, mostly wrongfully), Alexa’s booking was weird. I don’t like her but her getting the heat on Nia Jax without many underhanded tactics was bizarre. She should have been pushing her into posts using her own momentum and cutting her off at the legs. Not even Hogan did that with some of the bigger guys he faced. I usually don’t mind size that much. But watching Alexa dominant so much of a match against Charlotte as well was eye rolling even to me.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 1, 2024 13:54:35 GMT -5
I’ll share the same sentiment as others; for a company that used to care about believability and bodies being a factor in booking (rightfully or wrongfully, mostly wrongfully), Alexa’s booking was weird. I don’t like her but her getting the heat on Nia Jax without many underhanded tactics was bizarre. She should have been pushing her into posts using her own momentum and cutting her off at the legs. Not even Hogan did that with some of the bigger guys he faced. I usually don’t mind size that much. But watching Alexa dominant so much of a match against Charlotte as well was eye rolling even to me. Their match at Exreme Rules where Alexa was the face and Charlotte the heel was MUCH better.
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Post by HIM on Apr 1, 2024 14:24:57 GMT -5
God I still remember those Alexa threads where people were trying to defend her booking. Bruh, when Alexa Bliss is choking out Charlotte Flair in her prime, embarrassing Bayley in her "super babyface" role, when she is making Becky look bad, how can anyone defend it?
She really started this new era of stans.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 1, 2024 14:29:47 GMT -5
Alexa pretty much owned Becky in 2016/17. They weren't all clean victories, but I think the only time Becky got a (controversial) win over her in that period was on that SD in Scotland. It was pretty frustrating as a Becky fan, even though I also loved Alexa at the time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 1, 2024 19:59:10 GMT -5
She really started this new era of stans. She really didn't. Alexa threads were nothing compared to the Mickie and AJ stan threads. Bayley was not in her super babyface role at that point, she was already getting booed because they had wrecked her call up by that point already. the Alexa feud just put the cap on just how badly they handled her character, and I've never seen anyone defend the this is your life or Kendo stick match.
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Post by HIM on Apr 1, 2024 20:24:03 GMT -5
She really started this new era of stans. She really didn't. Alexa threads were nothing compared to the Mickie and AJ stan threads. Bayley was not in her super babyface role at that point, she was already getting booed because they had wrecked her call up by that point already. the Alexa feud just put the cap on just how badly they handled her character, and I've never seen anyone defend the this is your life or Kendo stick match. I didn't say the Alexa threads were comparable to those, I'm saying Alexa's the first of the current generation (starting with the Shield class) to get those type of stans for her. Those 2 were from previous generations.
And true, Bayley wasn't her "Super Babyface" self then due to the cheers but character-wise? She was her. She was just far far less over especially compared to where she was even just 6 months prior. I did see some Alexa stans trying to defend that booking but thankfully most fans consider it bad. It just made Bayley even worse.
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Post by schma on Apr 1, 2024 20:46:49 GMT -5
Alexa's reign of terror was nuts. She ran roughshod over Becky and Naomi before going to Raw and running over everyone there. I'm all for smaller people being able to hang with larger but it was nuts just how dominant she was in all her matches. I remember at one point she had Charlotte on her knees in some form of stretch and it just looked ridiculous. That and a punch being her finisher for a long time was bad. Then there were all the times she told people they sucked or ran them down, then beat them and thus was proven correct. Bayley and Mickie are the standout examples, but there were so many that came out of a feud with her looking much worse. It's why for so long people got apprehensive any time Alexa sniffed the title after that run. I wouldn't be surprised if it also contributed to Charlotte fatigue with Charlotte just spending years (literally) in the title scene. A bit of oh not this again, even though the two and their runs were quite different.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 1, 2024 22:05:47 GMT -5
the odd thing to me was there was an easy out for the punch thing.
She wore this weird gloves during her entrance... just have her put it on or wear it during the match... and imply she's cheating with them.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Apr 1, 2024 22:11:32 GMT -5
Oh duh. Nevermind.
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