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Post by extremek on Apr 22, 2007 11:22:26 GMT -5
"Well ya know something? The Rock says this...(monkey reference) (body part reference) (catchphrase) (catchphrase) (same monkey reference) (different body part reference) I'm going to win 1-2-3. If ya smellllllllllll what The Rock is cookin'!" The Rock cuts the same promo every time. He just moves around the same phrases (lay the smackdown, rudypoo candyass, jabroni, pie...and that is all) Hollywood Rock's promos were never like that. Rock's in the ring with Gillberg and has been making fun of Goldberg for the past ten minutes. Goldberg's music hits and Rock turns to Gillberg. Rock: Oh, now you've done it! YOU are in SO much trouble!! Gillberg looks surprised and confused. Rock: Yeah, you've been making fun of Goldberg for YEARS! That was hilarious. If I remember correctly, I think that was Rock Concert II night.
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 22, 2007 11:23:54 GMT -5
And Piper pwns them all... Agreed, on that note. But see, I voted for The Rock, and here's why.... I agree that Flair, in his prime, was probably the greatest. But Flair failed to do the one thing that The Rock always did for me, anyway: Hold your attention. Flair's promos tended to be rambling, drawn out affairs, that, while sometimes being electrically charged goodness, more often than not kind of meandered until Flair remembered that someone was challenging him, and that he should say something about them, too. Whereas The Rock wasted no time in calling out his opponents, and lacing into them with a nasty, quick and to the point promo, that was also inventive and funny as hell. Look no further than the WRESTLEMANIA promo Rock cut before the match he and Foley had with Evolution. THAT is electricity incarnate right there. Bottom line is, I've changed the channel in the middle of MANY of Flair's promos.....but I've always sat through The Rock's.
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Post by B.A. on Apr 22, 2007 11:51:28 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 22, 2007 12:11:45 GMT -5
"Well ya know something? The Rock says this...(monkey reference) (body part reference) (catchphrase) (catchphrase) (same monkey reference) (different body part reference) I'm going to win 1-2-3. If ya smellllllllllll what The Rock is cookin'!" The Rock cuts the same promo every time. He just moves around the same phrases (lay the smackdown, rudypoo candyass, jabroni, pie...and that is all) Ric Flair on the other hand actually makes you care when he talks, sure he can make you laugh. But when he's on the mic you listen because you know it'll be good. I couldnt agree more. The Rock did cut some great promos but then he became a one trick pony. Every promo involved him babbling about anus',strudel, pie, calling someone gay/hermaphrodite, money's ass etc. (It amuses me that a lot of the people who shit on Cena's promos loved everything the Rock ever said. Must be some nice rose colored glasses you're wearing) And then there's Flair. He could cut a promo that would make you hate his guts AND wish you were him at the same time. I could watch a DVD of just Flair promos. He put whoever he was feuding with over just by cutting promos on/about them. Bottom line:When it comes to promos, Rock was good ....but Flair was GREAT
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 22, 2007 12:13:26 GMT -5
"Well ya know something? The Rock says this...(monkey reference) (body part reference) (catchphrase) (catchphrase) (same monkey reference) (different body part reference) I'm going to win 1-2-3. If ya smellllllllllll what The Rock is cookin'!" The Rock cuts the same promo every time. He just moves around the same phrases (lay the smackdown, rudypoo candyass, jabroni, pie...and that is all) Ric Flair on the other hand actually makes you care when he talks, sure he can make you laugh. But when he's on the mic you listen because you know it'll be good. I couldnt agree more. The Rock did cut some great promos but then he became a one trick pony. Every promo involved him babbling about anus',strudel, pie, calling someone gay/hermaphrodite, money's ass etc. (People who crap on Cena's promos yet loved everything the I think your post got cut off, but I will say this: With The Rock, it just seemed more natural, like it just flowed out of him. With Cena, it seems like he's just trying too hard to BE The Rock.
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Post by rra on Apr 22, 2007 12:20:38 GMT -5
"Well ya know something? The Rock says this...(monkey reference) (body part reference) (catchphrase) (catchphrase) (same monkey reference) (different body part reference) I'm going to win 1-2-3. If ya smellllllllllll what The Rock is cookin'!" The Rock cuts the same promo every time. He just moves around the same phrases (lay the smackdown, rudypoo candyass, jabroni, pie...and that is all) Ric Flair on the other hand actually makes you care when he talks, sure he can make you laugh. But when he's on the mic you listen because you know it'll be good. I couldnt agree more. The Rock did cut some great promos but then he became a one trick pony. Every promo involved him babbling about anus',strudel, pie, calling someone gay/hermaphrodite, money's ass etc. (It amuses me that a lot of the people who crap on Cena's promos loved everything the Rock ever said. Must be some nice rose colored glasses you're wearing) And then there's Flair. He could cut a promo that would make you hate his guts AND wish you were him at the same time. I could watch a DVD of just Flair promos. He put whoever he was feuding with over just by cutting promos on/about them. Bottom line:When it comes to promos, Rock was good ....but Flair was GREAT Ok, enough of people saying that Rock is "Cena-done" right. Cena only has one tone of voice and worse, he doesn't carry the amazing charisma and tone of voice that The Rock had. Remember after King of the Ring when Billy Gunn won and Rock was pissed? "Oh God, its me "Bad Ass Billy Gunn. I won King of the Ring, but everyone still thinks that I ABSOLUTELY SUCK!"" He was speaking for us. Anyway, I considered putting in Piper and other guys, but I figured Flair/Rock would be two top promo-guys on two different eras. Sort of like that Angle/Hart match I posted.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 22, 2007 12:20:49 GMT -5
I couldnt agree more. The Rock did cut some great promos but then he became a one trick pony. Every promo involved him babbling about anus',strudel, pie, calling someone gay/hermaphrodite, money's ass etc. (People who crap on Cena's promos yet loved everything the I think your post got cut off, but I will say this: With The Rock, it just seemed more natural, like it just flowed out of him. With Cena, it seems like he's just trying too hard to BE The Rock. It did. I deleted the cut off one and reposted. And to a point, I know what you're saying. The thing is, the Rock's stuff did get old and was worse in terms of the "potty humor" that Cena gets accused of (even though it's been a while since Cena has made any of the often mentioned dick/poop jokes people always bring up)
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 22, 2007 12:24:17 GMT -5
I couldnt agree more. The Rock did cut some great promos but then he became a one trick pony. Every promo involved him babbling about anus',strudel, pie, calling someone gay/hermaphrodite, money's ass etc. (It amuses me that a lot of the people who crap on Cena's promos loved everything the Rock ever said. Must be some nice rose colored glasses you're wearing) And then there's Flair. He could cut a promo that would make you hate his guts AND wish you were him at the same time. I could watch a DVD of just Flair promos. He put whoever he was feuding with over just by cutting promos on/about them. Bottom line:When it comes to promos, Rock was good ....but Flair was GREAT Ok, enough of people saying that Rock is "Cena-done" right. Cena only has one tone of voice and worse, he doesn't carry the amazing charisma and tone of voice that The Rock had. Remember after King of the Ring when Billy Gunn won and Rock was pissed? "Oh God, its me "Bad Ass Billy Gunn. I won King of the Ring, but everyone still thinks that I ABSOLUTELY SUCK!"" He was speaking for us. Anyway, I considered putting in Piper and other guys, but I figured Flair/Rock would be two top promo-guys on two different eras. Sort of like that Angle/Hart match I posted. I actually dont think the Rock is "Cena done right". I think the Rock was very entertaining, but then he became a broken record. From about 2000 on (minus the Hollywood Rock period of a few months in 03) it was the same thing week after week.
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Post by Sim on Apr 22, 2007 13:05:24 GMT -5
Both were different, yet good.
I have to go with Rock though, him being on TV meant you were watching, period. Flair was good, but not "show this to a non wrestling fan and they'll be watching MNR" good.
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 22, 2007 13:11:38 GMT -5
I think your post got cut off, but I will say this: With The Rock, it just seemed more natural, like it just flowed out of him. With Cena, it seems like he's just trying too hard to BE The Rock. It did. I deleted the cut off one and reposted. And to a point, I know what you're saying. The thing is, the Rock's stuff did get old and was worse in terms of the "potty humor" that Cena gets accused of (even though it's been a while since Cena has made any of the often mentioned dick/poop jokes people always bring up) I still say that Rocky runs circles around Cena in the charisma department. Like I said, with the Rock it just flowed....with Cena it's soooo forced. I will agree with you on the cookie cutter thing, though. Rocky's heel promos were always better and had more zing than his babyface ones.
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Post by salTy on Apr 22, 2007 13:12:52 GMT -5
Ok, enough of people saying that Rock is "Cena-done" right. Cena only has one tone of voice and worse, he doesn't carry the amazing charisma and tone of voice that The Rock had. Remember after King of the Ring when Billy Gunn won and Rock was pissed? "Oh God, its me "Bad Ass Billy Gunn. I won King of the Ring, but everyone still thinks that I ABSOLUTELY SUCK!"" He was speaking for us. Anyway, I considered putting in Piper and other guys, but I figured Flair/Rock would be two top promo-guys on two different eras. Sort of like that Angle/Hart match I posted. I actually dont think the Rock is "Cena done right". I think the Rock was very entertaining, but then he became a broken record. From about 2000 on (minus the Hollywood Rock period of a few months in 03) it was the same thing week after week. QFT. I got sick of Babyface Rock simply for his formulaic promos. Heel Rock was fantabulous on the mic, but a heel always almost is. Heel Austin was better on the stick, as was Heel Flair, Heel Hart, Heel Hogan, Heel Jericho, etc, etc.
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Post by salTy on Apr 22, 2007 13:14:18 GMT -5
Flair wins this contest, but Austin beats both of them. I...uh...see the thing is.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Prove me wrong. Austin has always been gold on the mic.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 22, 2007 13:23:24 GMT -5
It did. I deleted the cut off one and reposted. And to a point, I know what you're saying. The thing is, the Rock's stuff did get old and was worse in terms of the "potty humor" that Cena gets accused of (even though it's been a while since Cena has made any of the often mentioned dick/poop jokes people always bring up) I still say that Rocky runs circles around Cena in the charisma department. Like I said, with the Rock it just flowed....with Cena it's soooo forced. I will agree with you on the cookie cutter thing, though. Rocky's heel promos were always better and had more zing than his babyface ones. Oh, I wont argue on the charisma argument. Rock certianly beats Cena there. (Though Cena does have it when he isnt on a leash) His heel promos are light years better than his face promos. His Hollywood Rock stuff was amazing. I dont know who said it earlier, but Piper might have won this thing had he been included.
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 22, 2007 13:28:48 GMT -5
I still say that Rocky runs circles around Cena in the charisma department. Like I said, with the Rock it just flowed....with Cena it's soooo forced. I will agree with you on the cookie cutter thing, though. Rocky's heel promos were always better and had more zing than his babyface ones. Oh, I wont argue on the charisma argument. Rock certianly beats Cena there. (Though Cena does have it when he isnt on a leash) His heel promos are light years better than his face promos. His Hollywood Rock stuff was amazing. I dont know who said it earlier, but Piper might have won this thing had he been included. Yes....Piper, I do believe, would have. The man was, and to a certain extent, is still, dynamite on the mic.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 22, 2007 13:39:43 GMT -5
Oh, I wont argue on the charisma argument. Rock certianly beats Cena there. (Though Cena does have it when he isnt on a leash) His heel promos are light years better than his face promos. His Hollywood Rock stuff was amazing. I dont know who said it earlier, but Piper might have won this thing had he been included. Yes....Piper, I do believe, would have. The man was, and to a certain extent, is still, dynamite on the mic. Piper's DVD had quite a few of his promos on it. **Mini-rant time** With so many current guys seemingly having no idea how to cut anything resemling a good promo, why doesnt the WWE use some of the road agents/legends to help stop this problem? You're telling me that Piper, Arn (BTW: a guy who somehow never gets the right credit for his years of terrific promos), Dusty, Hayes etc couldnt help some of the promo challenged guys out? I think they should have something like a required class in OVW. Call it "promo cutting 101". **End mini rant**
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Post by sebulba on Apr 22, 2007 14:14:09 GMT -5
Rock's promos put the Rock over. Huge. But Flair's promos put himself, the angle, the match and the company over. Rock had more charisma, but Flair the better hustler. The Rock owned Flair as far as promos went. He could be angry, funny, intense - the works! And as far as getting his opponent over - what about his promo before his Wrestlemania match with Hogan? It was awesome! Or his stuff with Hurricane? - You do have a point regarding Triple H, however. It seemed Rock did his best to bury 'The Game'.....
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Post by rra on Apr 22, 2007 14:24:57 GMT -5
Yes....Piper, I do believe, would have. The man was, and to a certain extent, is still, dynamite on the mic. Piper's DVD had quite a few of his promos on it. **Mini-rant time** With so many current guys seemingly having no idea how to cut anything resemling a good promo, why doesnt the WWE use some of the road agents/legends to help stop this problem? You're telling me that Piper, Arn (BTW: a guy who somehow never gets the right credit for his years of terrific promos), Dusty, Hayes etc couldnt help some of the promo challenged guys out? I think they should have something like a required class in OVW. Call it "promo cutting 101". **End mini rant** The problem perhaps is that guys don't have the years and years of practicing, refining their natural schtick on the indy/low-level circuits. Instead, they have some time at OVW then upgraded immediately. But yeah, I do agree that "Double A" was underrated with promos, Thing is, Hayes is running the booking for SMACKDOWN! and Dusty Rhodes on ECW(or is it the other way around?) but one would think that heavy-favored prospects would get lots of heavy prep for promos....at least one would think.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 22, 2007 14:34:19 GMT -5
Piper's DVD had quite a few of his promos on it. **Mini-rant time** With so many current guys seemingly having no idea how to cut anything resemling a good promo, why doesnt the WWE use some of the road agents/legends to help stop this problem? You're telling me that Piper, Arn (BTW: a guy who somehow never gets the right credit for his years of terrific promos), Dusty, Hayes etc couldnt help some of the promo challenged guys out? I think they should have something like a required class in OVW. Call it "promo cutting 101". **End mini rant** The problem perhaps is that guys don't have the years and years of practicing, refining their natural schtick on the indy/low-level circuits. Instead, they have some time at OVW then upgraded immediately. But yeah, I do agree that "Double A" was underrated with promos, Thing is, Hayes is running the booking for SMACKDOWN! and Dusty Rhodes on ECW(or is it the other way around?) but one would think that heavy-favored prospects would get lots of heavy prep for promos....at least one would think. I do see the problem with guys like Hayes and Dusty, as they already have high profile jobs, but I still think some of the more promo challenged guys (Shelton for example) would benifit from having someone work with them. Im not saying a long process, maybe just on the road or something.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Apr 22, 2007 14:41:02 GMT -5
The problem perhaps is that guys don't have the years and years of practicing, refining their natural schtick on the indy/low-level circuits. Instead, they have some time at OVW then upgraded immediately. But yeah, I do agree that "Double A" was underrated with promos, Thing is, Hayes is running the booking for SMACKDOWN! and Dusty Rhodes on ECW(or is it the other way around?) but one would think that heavy-favored prospects would get lots of heavy prep for promos....at least one would think. I do see the problem with guys like Hayes and Dusty, as they already have high profile jobs, but I still think some of the more promo challenged guys (Shelton for example) would benifit from having someone work with them. Im not saying a long process, maybe just on the road or something. The other problem is that the wrestlers don't do their own promos anymore either. On Raw I think this is a huge problem when you have somebody like Gerwitz going "let's see how many times i can bring up Edge being with Lita in one show"
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Post by Asics Johnson on Apr 22, 2007 14:44:02 GMT -5
"It's the bright lights! It's the big cities! It's long limousines! It's ladies lined up for a city block trying to get their hands on Ric Flair and Mr. Perfect!"
That's all I have to say.
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