Libertine
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Post by Libertine on Jul 4, 2007 14:41:45 GMT -5
I haven't read any of these threads, but has what Hogan said about Nancy come up yet?
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Post by repomanfan on Jul 4, 2007 15:26:38 GMT -5
warrior actually made some sense and didnt blame steroids. fox didnt wanna hear it.
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Post by popples on Jul 4, 2007 16:07:01 GMT -5
What 'drugs' are we talking about, other than the 'roids? GHB and some powerful painkillers I think
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Post by ravishingbobcaudle on Jul 4, 2007 16:27:47 GMT -5
If anyone remembers the whacked-out Nick Nolte mugshot that got so much attention several years ago, I do believe it was GHB that he was taking when that picture was snapped. I'm not familiar with the drug but I believe it is abusable and not just a "date rape drug" as everyone likes to refer to it. If anyone could shed some light on what it is and why Benoit would be taking it, that might help us understand. I read that he was given xanax the day he saw his doctor, and this alone (or with the GHB?) could be the reason for the "tired and groggy" sound of Benoit's voice when the WWE spoke with him on the phone that day.
Its starting to sound like Benoit was indeed plotting this whole thing out and the media's "he snapped in a fit of roid rage" B.S. is getting unbearable as its obvious that is NOT what happened here, yet they REFUSE to even consider it. It looks to me like Benoit was grasping at anything he could find to numb himself up beyond any feeling to commit these acts, as if he felt he had to do it and knew he would but couldn't bear to do it without being completely numb. Perhaps he planned to overdose but feared going into a coma or being brought back? It looks like he was stocking up on every downer he could find.
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Post by Aceorton on Jul 4, 2007 16:31:56 GMT -5
Here's something to shake your head over.
I talked to my dad today for the first time in a few weeks. He is not a wrestling fan but of course knows that I am. Benoit comes up. He says, "So the wife killed the kid, and then the wrestler killed the wife, right?"
Um, no, Dad. I explain.
"Oh." He pauses.
"She was into devil worship, huh? That's what what's-his-name said. Hogan."
These were the two things my dad "knew" about the case.
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Post by repomanfan on Jul 4, 2007 16:36:57 GMT -5
Here's something to shake your head over. I talked to my dad today for the first time in a few weeks. He is not a wrestling fan but of course knows that I am. Benoit comes up. He says, "So the wife killed the kid, and then the wrestler killed the wife, right?" Um, no, Dad. I explain. "Oh." He pauses. "She was into devil worship, huh? That's what what's-his-name said. Hogan." These were the two things my dad "knew" about the case. thats why the MEDIA is dangerous.
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Phosphor Glow
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Jul 4, 2007 16:39:58 GMT -5
Here's something to shake your head over. I talked to my dad today for the first time in a few weeks. He is not a wrestling fan but of course knows that I am. Benoit comes up. He says, "So the wife killed the kid, and then the wrestler killed the wife, right?" Um, no, Dad. I explain. "Oh." He pauses. "She was into devil worship, huh? That's what what's-his-name said. Hogan." These were the two things my dad "knew" about the case. thats why the MEDIA is dangerous. And why Hogan should never be allowed to talk about wrestling/wrestlers ever.
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Post by gronkboy on Jul 4, 2007 17:11:11 GMT -5
GHB is used as a party drug, as well as the "date rape" end of it. It also can be used to treat depression and anxiety. Body builder have been known to use it to try to increase the secretion of GH in the body. Yes, I Wiki'd it.
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Post by The Nature Girl on Jul 4, 2007 17:22:33 GMT -5
BTW, the WWE *really* shouldn't let that McDevitt guy represent them on TV. Last night on MSNBC, he said that he and the WWE weren't aware of any other wrestlers other than Chris Benoit that was a patient of Dr. Astin, when in fact it was announced that the prosecutors (or the DEA guys or whatever) actually did find records of other wrestlers that were under the care of this particular doctor. I'm pretty sure his comment will come back to bit the WWE in the butt if/when other names are revealed.
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amaron
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Post by amaron on Jul 4, 2007 17:31:28 GMT -5
BTW, the WWE *really* shouldn't let that McDevitt guy represent them on TV. Last night on MSNBC, he said that he and the WWE weren't aware of any other wrestlers other than Chris Benoit that was a patient of Dr. Astin, when in fact it was announced that the prosecutors (or the DEA guys or whatever) actually did find records of other wrestlers that were under the care of this particular doctor. I'm pretty sure his comment will come back to bit the WWE in the butt if/when other names are revealed. Why does his comments surprise you? Wrestlers are independant contractors and responsible for their own health insurance. I'm sure my bosses don't know who my PCP is.
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Post by The Nature Girl on Jul 4, 2007 17:50:58 GMT -5
BTW, the WWE *really* shouldn't let that McDevitt guy represent them on TV. Last night on MSNBC, he said that he and the WWE weren't aware of any other wrestlers other than Chris Benoit that was a patient of Dr. Astin, when in fact it was announced that the prosecutors (or the DEA guys or whatever) actually did find records of other wrestlers that were under the care of this particular doctor. I'm pretty sure his comment will come back to bit the WWE in the butt if/when other names are revealed. Why does his comments surprise you? Wrestlers are independant contractors and responsible for their own health insurance. I'm sure my bosses don't know who my PCP is. Well, I do see your point and didn't really think of it like that. I guess you're right and the WWE maybe doesn't know who their employees do see as doctors and what kind of medication they're being prescribed and only learn from those from the drugs tests they administer.
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rra
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Post by rra on Jul 4, 2007 20:21:15 GMT -5
New question.
What if the tox-test comes back positive that Benoit was on the roids?
What effect would that have for the WWE?
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Post by shadowforce420 on Jul 4, 2007 20:57:21 GMT -5
I just checked my 24/7 update. They have put WM 23 back on the listings. The Benoit & MVP match is replaced with what seems to be The Condemned footage and more Hall of Fame clips. That match is still there for me. I just finished watching it a few minutes ago.
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Post by gronkboy on Jul 4, 2007 21:45:39 GMT -5
New question. What if the tox-test comes back positive that Benoit was on the roids? What effect would that have for the WWE? It depends how much is found in his system. If he was indeed on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) due to his previous steroid use, they would have to show that the amount in his system is higher than what was prescribed to him. Also, if he indeed tested negative on April 10, he would not have been that far into a cycle, assuming that he did not start right after his test. Most injectable steroids take approximately 3 weeks to kick into effect, unless he was taking them orally, which then starts to work in 1 - 2 days.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jul 4, 2007 23:05:17 GMT -5
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The Line
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Post by The Line on Jul 4, 2007 23:35:47 GMT -5
Eddie also was addicted to GHB during his first WWE run. He always took it in liquid form. He talks about it in his book.
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The OP
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Post by The OP on Jul 4, 2007 23:47:22 GMT -5
This is the first time I've commented on this situation on the boards. Believe it or not, I've read through most of these threads and seen what everyone has to say.
I just wanted to say that I think this is a very bizzare and tragic situation. Some people act like if some new evidence were to come to light where Benoit was not actually the killer, it would somehow improve this situation. It wouldn't. Whether Benoit himself was the killer as all the evidence suggests, or whether it could've been something even more bizarre, the result is the same. Chris Benoit and his family are dead, and nothing will bring them back.
Some people have gotten into heated arguments about the subject. People have said that they've lost all respect for the man. Others have said they will continue to celebrate his contributions to professional wrestling no matter what. Either way, in a time like this I think it's important for us to respect one another, and allow each other to interpret this situation in whatever way best allows us to accept it and move forward.
I just hope that something positive can come from this, whatever that may be. It's hard to imagine anything of the sort, given the tragedy at hand. In the end though, that's the best any of us can hope for.
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Post by Stu on Jul 5, 2007 2:16:00 GMT -5
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Post by Tyfo on Jul 5, 2007 2:35:39 GMT -5
This is the first time I've commented on this situation on the boards. Believe it or not, I've read through most of these threads and seen what everyone has to say. I just wanted to say that I think this is a very bizzare and tragic situation. Some people act like if some new evidence were to come to light where Benoit was not actually the killer, it would somehow improve this situation. It wouldn't. Whether Benoit himself was the killer as all the evidence suggests, or whether it could've been something even more bizarre, the result is the same. Chris Benoit and his family are dead, and nothing will bring them back. Some people have gotten into heated arguments about the subject. People have said that they've lost all respect for the man. Others have said they will continue to celebrate his contributions to professional wrestling no matter what. Either way, in a time like this I think it's important for us to respect one another, and allow each other to interpret this situation in whatever way best allows us to accept it and move forward. I just hope that something positive can come from this, whatever that may be. It's hard to imagine anything of the sort, given the tragedy at hand. In the end though, that's the best any of us can hope for. No, the fact that 3 lives are lost can not change. BUT, I always go back to a story my grandfather told me about his time as a tail gunner in World War II. His commander was getting them ready for a mission and sent them off with this line: "a mans life is temporary, but a mans legacy is forever". If theres ANYTHING that could fix the legacy of Chris Benoit, I would be happy.
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RAW100023
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Post by RAW100023 on Jul 5, 2007 3:45:36 GMT -5
This is from John Walters myspace. He used to wrestle for Ring Of Honor, and was the Pure Champion. I thought this was a good read on what he thinks about the Benoit situation.
"Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Chris Benoit
The past few days have been crazy in the wrestling world. I can only imagine what Chris Benoit's really close friends and co-workers are feeling. I have been waiting and waiting for the this whole tragedy to turn into something different, but it looks as if it is as real and gruesome as it sounds. Over a 3 year period, I did a lot of work for WWE. I was involved in about 20 dark matches, skits, heat and velocity matches, etc. I remember one night in particular, after a sunday night heat match, I was pulled aside by Chris Benoit. He told me how much he was impressed with my work and that he really liked my intensity. I was thrilled to have the endorsement of one of the finest wrestlers on the planet. From that day forward, Chris Benoit went out of his way to help me in any way I asked. He sent me instant messages encouraging me that I did a great job in my matches, he asked me to send him a tape to watch, and he was one of the first people to congratulate me on my first tour to Japan. He became a close friend over emails and phone conversations. Even about a month ago he was asking me when I would be back at WWE tv. From what I understand, he showed the same compassion to a lot of the rising stars in WWE. He made it clear that he wanted to help the next generation of stars to progress. Another thing I noticed about Chris Benoit was that he always spoke of his family. He told me about Nancy's neck surgery and how he loved playing with his son around the house. Now, all of a sudden, this tragedy has made everyone wonder, was that the real Chris Benoit, or was it just a front. I am so confused and saddened by what happened, that is is so overwhelming to even think about. You run all of these different scenarios in your head, that it begins to drive you crazy. The fact of the matter is, 3 people are dead. Could it have been stopped? Were there warning signs? Was it planned for a long time? I don't know the answers to any of these questions.
I hear that the media has already been looking at steroids and "roid rage" as a motive. I am not an expert, but I don't think 3 killings in a 3 day span sounds like roid rage. To me, it sounds deliberate and premeditated. Are there steroids in wrestling? Of course there are. There are also steroids in baseball, football, college sports, high school sports, local gyms, and all those cool bouncers at the night clubs with their children's size small shirts on are on the gas. That shit is everywhere and will continue to be everywhere. I have stated in the past that I am 100% steroid free and have never touched the stuff, but I don't think it is fair to blame steroids for all the problems in society. It is on the individual. Some people are more apt be violent than others. Then who do we blame? Do we blame professional wrestling? Hardly! Again, look at all the successful pro wrestlers who live great family lives and go on to do great things. There is no one answer. We may never know what really did happen and what the motives were, but there is a whole industry and more importantly, a whole family hurt by this tragedy. I wish everybody the best in coping.
A lof of my close friends who knew of my respect and admiration of Benoit have been calling me and emailing me and asking the very same questions. Has he always had the traits of a murderer? How could you kill your own wife and kid? I have the very same questions. I truly believe that at this point, it is no longer anybody's place to judge. It is in God's hands now. He will ultimately decide what happens. Just like Kid Rock said in one of his songs, "Only God Knows Why!" There is no denying what Chris Benoit did for this sport. He was truly one of the bests in there. However, I feel as though his reputation now may be tarnished. A lot of people will not look at him the same way again. I can't blame them either. As for me, I am very upset, angry, confused, etc, but like I said, it's in God's hands to judge now. I hope Nancy and Daniel rest in peace. As for Chris, I wish he had gotten some help over the years if there were signs there. I had never seen this side of him, but often times, fiction and reality are blurred in this industry, and maybe Chris Benoit was not the wholesome family man we all knew. I hope everybody continues to support pro wrestling. There are a lot of good people, hard workers, amazing performers that should still be recognized despite the black cloud that has been put on this business this week. I for one will continue to go out and give my all. But now, I have to go cut my lawn and walk my dog. It's the little things we should appreciate. Please hug and kiss your loved ones! My condolonces to the Benoit family, Nancy's family and everybody else directly affected by this. God Bless,
jw"
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