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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 5:21:20 GMT -5
Happy (belated) Birthday, my friend.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 4:47:43 GMT -5
Vince Sr. was doing the Shea Stadium shows well before Starrcade was ever a thing, and they were treated as big deals at the time. I would say those were just as much an inspiration for Wrestlemania as Starrcade was. The Crocketts ran huge Thanksgiving Day shows at the Greensboro Coliseum almost every year since the 1960s, and it was often their biggest card of the year for a couple of decades.. The only difference between them and Starrcade was a name and a broader TV audience. The 60s-70s shows would draw anywhere between 9,000-14,000 every year. The 1980 show drew 12,000. The 1981 T-day show there set an attendance record with 15,000+ (a sell out). 1982 sold out again with 15,500+. Starrcade '83 drew almost the exact same number as the previous year's not-Starrcade show, beating it by literally dozens (again, sell out capacity crowd). The Shea shows were huge (and yes, drew more than the Greensboro shows), but both of these sets of shows, Shea and Greensboro, played huge, intertwining factors as inspirations for both Starrcade and Wrestlemania. One can't be dismissed in favor of the other.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 4:33:59 GMT -5
Mortal Kombat Night Trap Custer’s Revenge And before that, Death Race. Came in here to post that, and Chiller.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 4:30:26 GMT -5
I think because it's now this enormous flagship event sold as "the Superbowl of wrestling" Which was the original concept of Starrcade. Only about a third of the participants were part of Crockett's promotion. Even Dusty (who didn't wrestle but appeared) wasn't part of Crockett's roster yet. It was the "best of the best" from all the various bigger NWA territories coming together; Florida, Georgia, even Puerto Rico, etc. Granted, that concept didn't even make it to the next year, with Georgia's Black Saturday occurring half a year prior and Dusty's quickly bonding with Crockett at the previous year's show dooming Florida.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 4:17:53 GMT -5
Never understood Steve Allen's "I havent been this excited since I found out Pee Wee Herman was straight" line. I THINK it might be a gay panic kinda joke, since with the voice and mannerisms he wasn't "manly" he could be read as gay? Exactly what it was.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 4:14:55 GMT -5
It's what happens when he seems to have every power ... has no real direction as a character... no one really knew what his deal was and they decided they'd figure it out later... only by the time they did it was too late and it also didn't really make any sense. they could have done something with him but there needed to be a clearly defined who he is, what he can do, and WHY. DeMatteis had a plan for him but left halfway through, leaving DeFalco - who didn't care for the character at all - to wrap things up. Next up: Keith Giffen's Supreme > Alan Moore's Supreme
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 3:27:22 GMT -5
I think Rick just wants to be Richard Vigneault and be left alone. I think he put Rick Martel and everything related in the past. Was kind of my take on it. Going all the way back to his WCW stint, every time he started dipping his toes back into the business in some regard, it's bitten him in the ass. I seem to recall one of the last conventions he agreed to attend rooked him fairly hard, but I don't remember the details on that one.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 3:22:02 GMT -5
Here's one for all of you to eyeroll hard at:
Judas Traveler had incredible potential to be a top 10 recurring Spider-Man villain.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 3:09:15 GMT -5
About Claudia, Claudia tried to be a wrestler... I think this was a Femmes Fatales deal. I know the guy who ran NCW FF back then, I could ask. Certainly if it had worked out for them it would have been a huge coup, but this goddamn gimmick, man. Hot Italian girl with the legacy would have worked just fine, why did she need a gun and THAT whole imagery?! Yeesh. Just yeesh on the gun thing. Phil, you might possibly have more insight on Martel and why he'd decline taking part?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 2:51:30 GMT -5
Everyone still on the roster who have spent more time at home resting their bodies.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 2:48:57 GMT -5
He looked well into his 70's or 80's. Looking like you're rapidly aging is generally a liver or kidney failure sort of thing right? There's a lot of things that can bring about that type of "false" aging. Some cancers, extremely poor nutrition intake, drug use (especially the meth kind), bad genetics. It is often something that comes with the failures of those organs, yes, but not exclusive to them by any means.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 2:41:46 GMT -5
I guess that’s more than I thought, but 90s born wrestlers haven’t really come on the main roster till 2019, while the 2000s were full of 80s guys like orton, masters, Dupree, miz ect. And nobody from the 90s have won a major Midcard or world title yet on the main. Keep in mind that a lot of those guys were being brought in straight from "true" developmental where they were hired at a young age, trained 2-3 years and then brought into the main roster. Since NXT became more of a "indy stars showcase," they've reverted to hiring guys who have already spent 5-10 years working the indies and elsewhere. So even the ones that only worked outside the WWE for the lower side of that timeframe, once they're hired, they still get 2-3 years in NXT before going to the main roster. Another thing to keep in mind is that Vince has soured on using workers who are "too young/immature" because of situations like Paige and a few others that gave him the impression they just weren't ready yet.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 2:33:36 GMT -5
That was more for your post's illustrating my point in my original post that started the Quinn conversation more so than the hooker comment. Ah, fair point. I'm still not off the hook for that comment, depsite that, nor should I be. I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll stop now. Don't worry too much on it. Your response was a million times better than those who tend to hunker down and double up on it, so props to be given where they're due. For everyone: Yes, let's definitely move on. This thread isn't really for us to have lengthy pages-long back and forth on any of the given opinions.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 2:24:01 GMT -5
For context and reference for this thread, all current male WWE workers born January 1990 or after:
RAW: Akam - May '93 Angel Garza - September '92 Angelo Dawkins - July '90 Austin Theory - Aug '97 Humberto Carrillo - Oct '95 Rezar - June '94 Montez Ford - May '90
Smackdown Bo Dallas - May '90 Otis - Dec '91 Tucker Knight - July '90
NXT Cameron Grimes - Sep '93 Jake Atlas - Oct '94 James Drake - Mar '93 Kona Reeves - June '92 Mansoor - Oct '95 Pete Dunne - Nov '93 Raul Mendoza - Nov '90 Velveteen Dream - Aug '95 Zack Gibson - Aug '90
Andrade barely misses it, born in Nov '89
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 2:09:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I f***ed up here. I didn't stop to think about those words, which can paint me in a gross light that I don't intend...which doesn't excuse me. That was more for your post's illustrating my point in my original post that started the Quinn conversation more so than the hooker comment.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 1:41:49 GMT -5
When I was 8, Undertaker was at Wrestlemania. I'm 37. The Undertaker was at Wrestlemania. Has Taker wrestled anyone born after he debuted in the company? I think it would be cool if he had a fued with the Dream and can just use the line “I’ve been in this company since before you were born” Don't think so. Bray and Elias are the two youngest (in terms of birthdate, not their age when they faced him) that he's wrestled since 2011 and they were both born in 1987.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 1:19:52 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 0:52:04 GMT -5
Harley's relationship with Ivy is much more interesting than the relationship with Joker. Basically every possible story beat with the Joker's already been done to death and it's sketchy as all hell trying to keep Harley in his abusive orbit, especially when it's portrayed as a good thing. Related with Joker - the character needs to be scaled back. Badly. So many people at this point write the guy as just the most sadistic, evil thing imaginable that they forget that more than anything he's supposed to be out for a laugh. If you run into the Joker in a dark alley he should be just as likely to leave you alone or to harmlessly throw a pie at you as he is to disembowel you. Speaking of Harley, I really wish she would stop being portrayed as a cheap, quirky hooker all the time. She's much more interesting in her original BtAS portrayl. Why must she always have rainbow pigtails and a stripper outfit and be incredibly crude nowadays?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 23, 2020 0:03:00 GMT -5
HTM had everything except an abundance of athletic talent. He was mediocre as an actual worker, but he leveled everything else about him up to 11 and it worked. Couple of things to note regarding this: 1. Mr. X is Danny Davis, a future stablemate of HTM's in Jimmy Hart's group. 2. The crowd was already VERY familiar with HTM, as he had been a mainstay in the bigger Canadian territories for the previous four years as Honkytonk Wayne. A lot of his 1982-1985 career was spent bouncing between Stampede, Tomko's All-Star Wrestling and whatever smaller promotions existed around them. They knew exactly who and what he was. I know Davis played Mr. X but I don’t think Danny ever looked that good or could bust out a springboard splash. So I always wondered if that was him. I actually questioned that myself, but I'm not seeing anyone else doing the Mr. X gimmick for them at this point in the results I'm going through, and they list him as the one in this match. Didn't Davis infamously have a tattoo that was the reason he always wore long sleeves as a ref, so people wouldn't ID him as X? If so, anyone know what it was and if it's present in this match?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 22, 2020 23:50:49 GMT -5
May want to read that again. LAST week's was the one with Punk and Edge and it did better than this week's. Actually my statement was meant to say "Edge and Punk barely move the needle and then this week it just bottomed out when they weren't there" So I was saying they did better but this show on FS1 just isn't working in terms of viewers. Ah, ok.
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