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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 18:32:11 GMT -5
What sites are you guys reading? I'm serious, if someone cites WRESTLEZONE I'll kick someone in the face.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 17:49:16 GMT -5
LOL. They're better off in TNA...they'd be NXT Season 6 contenders in WWE.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 16:57:07 GMT -5
The dirtsheets didn't run wild over any of these stories. PWI said Hardy was confirmed to be just tired(and if you watch his match he was perfectly fine) and the Anderson chairshot story came from one of those crapsites. PWI and WO absolutely never went crazy regarding these stories.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 16:55:03 GMT -5
December to Dismember craps on, amongst other things including the entireWWE fanbase, every PPV ever done. I disagree. At least it had some redeeming qualities. OTL was just awful. Orton's STUPIDSTPUID injury that ruined that match, the idiotic booking decision to have the Swagger/Show match end the way it did immediately following it. Bad bad bad bad bad.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:51:38 GMT -5
This wasnt just a new low for tna but a disgrace to all of wrestling. Okay, this made me laugh.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:46:42 GMT -5
2010 had the worst PPV I've ever seen in my entire life(and I've seen msot WWE/TNA/ROH PPVs).
Over the Limit.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:45:46 GMT -5
why do you say that? The PPV itself wasn't bad, it was just there. I disagree with you on that. While there was two matches of good quality (ultimate X and Styles/M.Hardy) the rest just reinforced how bad TNA is right now. You're forgetting Beer Money/Ink, Inc and Ray/Dreamer. It wasn't a really good show but it was alright. Off the top of my head TNA Genesis, TNA Against All Odds, WWE Over the Limit and WWE Extreme Rules were all far worse than this show last year.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:31:01 GMT -5
He could've showed up fine, been seen fine around the lockerroom and got messed up not long before the match. That stuff really doesn't take long at all to kick in(I assume you're not familiar with alcohol/drugs). So you can understand the confusion of Hardy coming up acting messed up, trying to get a grip on him but his music his playing so you send him out while you try to figure out WTF is going on. You send Bischoff out there with a backup plan of Sting basically fighting Immortal instead of Jeff and then Bischoff realizes that even that plan is too risky, so they do the screwjobby finish on Jeff out of A) Safety B) Last minute inability to do anything else C) Spite on Jeff for putting them in this situation I'll admit to not knowing how quickly Drugs/Alcohol take effect, my question is why not have another match as a Plan B? Hell this is for all intents and purposes Live Theatre....you don't just have the plan for if everything goes right. You PLAN for things to go wrong and become pleasantly surprised when they don't. The plan B seemed to be no DQ so Hardy could face Immortal. I don't think most wrestling companies plan quite the way you're assuming they do. Had Jeff showed up messed up at the start of the show or with any amount of time to go then yeah, they could have figured something out, but if what we were witnessing was really everything as it happened its a lot different.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:29:31 GMT -5
well Hulk Hogan tweeted that something is being done, and he feels bad about some of the situations that need to be taken care of. We can say TNA should've kept a closer eye on Jeff, but if he was fine pretty much the first half or so of the show, I can't blame them for not expecting anything to happen. I hope for Jeff's and TNA's sake it's more than sending him home for the tapings. If Jeff was intoxicated then it's time someone in that company asked for some accountability. While TNA was doing a fine job with screwing up the PPV themselves; the Hardy vs Sting match was the topper. I mean this ppv already has to be a leading contender for the gooker this year. It's the worst PPV so far this year, but TNA has put on two solid PPVs, WWE but on a weak-but-solid RR and a great EC PPV but I wouldn't call it terrible by any means. There were plenty of worse TNA/WWE PPVs last year. Matt/AJ had a really good match, Ink/BM, Ultimate X, Ray/Devon. The only duds really were the women's tag match(that I would have given a passable rating if it wasn't for that botched as crap ending featuring like everyone missing their cues), Hernandez/Morgan and the stinker of all stinkers Anderson/RVD.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:27:06 GMT -5
What on earth are you even talking about? They screwjobb'ed Jeff and he executed no moves. It was no more dangerous than say the Montreal screwjob. Because Sting was experienced enough to call for the ref to pull the plug. What if it'd been someone less experienced and too busy coming off the high of being the main event of a semi-high-profile PPV to notice Jeff was out of sorts and/or didn't want to ruin their 'big moment'? TNA is putting wrestlers in unnecessarily dangerous situations and needs to be stopped. HAVE YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO? TNA makes the call NOT STING. Sting is taking orders the entire time. Can you fault TNA for giving Hardy the ball? Sure, but come on. Watch the video and the analysis points before you make some bizarre claim.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:21:57 GMT -5
But apparently when they first realized Hardy was intoxicated was IMMEDIATELY BEFORE HE CAME OUT. What we saw live was literally TNA assessing and handling the situation. Ok....so during a 2 hour show...nobody noticed that there MIGHT be something wrong with the guy that's performed high before? I don't know about you...but I'd keep a closer eye on someone like that, especially If he was going up against The champion and face of the company. He could've showed up fine, been seen fine around the lockerroom and got messed up not long before the match. That stuff really doesn't take long at all to kick in(I assume you're not familiar with alcohol/drugs). So you can understand the confusion of Hardy coming up acting messed up, trying to get a grip on him but his music his playing so you send him out while you try to figure out WTF is going on. You send Bischoff out there with a backup plan of Sting basically fighting Immortal instead of Jeff and then Bischoff realizes that even that plan is too risky, so they do the screwjobby finish on Jeff out of A) Safety B) Last minute inability to do anything else C) Spite on Jeff for putting them in this situation
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 14:03:32 GMT -5
But apparently when they first realized Hardy was intoxicated was IMMEDIATELY BEFORE HE CAME OUT. What we saw live was literally TNA assessing and handling the situation.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 13:51:37 GMT -5
Can we quit these WWE comparisons? If WWE had a Cena/someone match and immediately before the match Cena appeared to possibly be intoxicated we have NO IDEA what they would do. If the WWE knew he was buzzed before a match, there would be no chance of Cena going on. Especially given that he has no history of it whatsoever. The WWE is in a position where every talent is expendable. That's absolutely not true. Their fear to put anyone over Cena and Orton is PROOF that not all talent is expendable. They're terrified of them losing steam. If Cena showed up drunk the entire show of course they'd change it, but I mean like what's been reported for this and Hardy seemed fine until IMMEDIATELY BEFORE his match. It's just a weird situation and for this exact instance WWE comparisons should be withheld because it's such a unique/bizarre situation.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 13:48:28 GMT -5
They'd take him back in a heartbeat.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 13:40:30 GMT -5
Can we quit these WWE comparisons? If WWE had a Cena/someone match and immediately before the match Cena appeared to possibly be intoxicated we have NO IDEA what they would do.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 13:38:47 GMT -5
After last night I went from ambivalent towards TNA to actively wanting them to be shut down before someone gets killed in their ring. What on earth are you even talking about? They screwjobb'ed Jeff and he executed no moves. It was no more dangerous than say the Montreal screwjob.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 13:28:36 GMT -5
We have all put up with a lot garbage with TNA over the years. But crap Hardy pulled in the main event after all the Dusty finishes on the show I'm done. I don't understand how they think this will fly. It didnt work 10-12 years ago when the same idiots were trying it in WCW & it won't work in TNA today. The people i feel sorry for are the guys who have busted there ass for years in TNA. Styles, Joe, Daniels, Beer Money MCMG, Jay Lethal, Hernandez. They deserve better, hell WE deserve better. I would put money on them being out of business by this time next year. Bottom line I am done with TNA so long, farewell Auf Weidersein, goodbye. lol@bolded
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 13:25:25 GMT -5
I think before the match Sting got bitten by a vampire so they ended the match early for Hardy's safety and Sting went full on vamp(because it's not instant).
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 13:21:24 GMT -5
I honestly feel that thirty second squash was their Finger Poke of Doom this may just be the end of TNA Why would this be the end of TNA? It was an incident on a completely unhyped PPV. The Finger Poke of Doom wasn't even the end of WCW, I don't care what anyone thinks.
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Post by tamalesteve on Mar 14, 2011 4:04:27 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you at all but most people do not understand drug addiction and are just going to laugh about it. Also you can't expect TNA to be experts on drug addiction either. More than 70% of the population don't even know how drug addiction works and refuse to call it a disease. They CAN'T force Hardy into rehab. After tonight they need to suspend him and give him an ultimatum. Rehab or your fired. If Jeff Hardy had cancer no one would be laughing. Drug addiction is a very real disease and people saying bush league or Hardy sucks are being aholes making fun of a guy with a serious mental problem. Yes, but I CAN expect TNA to be run like a professional company and PISS TEST it's wrestlers at LEAST for narcotics and other illegal drugs. That way they wouldn't necessarily need to know the alphabet of drug addiction, but it would be legally enough for them as a company to GIVE him that ultimatum: Get sober or get gone. An ultimatum which SHOULD have been given, and enforced upon his signing with the company. I don't disagree with you that addiction is a disease; cigarette (nicotine) addiction kills so MANY people every year, and that's not even an illegal or HARD drug. Depression is a mental disease too. But you know, the onus lies on the INDIVIDUAL to seek out help, or if they're too weak, then their family members or friends can have them hospitalized on a 5150 hold for their OWN protection. They're are SO many ways Hardy could have sought out help by now...and he hasn't done it, and his employer has turned a blind eye to it. BOTH parties are to blame. IMO. Even if TNA had a drug testing system in place it's not like it would have necessarily prevented tonight by any means. As far as we know Hardy hasn't done any drugs since his arrest to tonight(and we don't even KNOW that he did tonight). Don't assume things, it makes an ass out of U and ME.
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