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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jan 22, 2022 22:40:21 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 20000 is a fun watch but an underwhelming WM. Tried to add weight while not changing anything from No Way Out before it. Only major change is Kurt dropping the European title in the lead-up, Edge and Christian losing their #1 Contenders status, and Kane/Chyna becoming a team due to their disdain for DX and both being "rejected freaks" by them.
1) 15-Man Battle Royal for a European title shot later the same night: Perry Saturn vs Tazz vs Rikishi vs Viscera vs Steve Blackman vs The Godfather vs British Bulldog vs Big Bossman vs Mark Henry vs Al Snow vs Gangrel vs Val Venis vs Joey Abs vs Pete Gas vs Rodney
2) Light-Heavyweight Title: Dean Malenko (c) vs Essa Rios (w/ Lita)
3) #1 Contenders for the Tag Titles Bar-Room Brawl: APA vs The Hardys vs Edge & Christian vs Test & Albert vs Kai En Tai
4) Intercontinental Title: Kurt Angle (c) vs Chris Jericho
5) Hardcore Title: Crash Holly (c) vs Hardcore Holly
6) European Title: Chris Benoit (c) [w/ Eddie Guerrero] vs ? (Tazz or Rikishi would be my pick)
7) Tag Team Titles - Tables Match: The Dudley Boyz vs Too Cool
8) Kane & Chyna (w/ Paul Bearer and The Kat) vs X-Pac & Shane McMahon (w/ Tori and the New Age Outlaws)
9) WWF Title: Triple H (c) [w/ Stephanie McMahon] vs The Big Show vs The Rock*
*Foley stays retired, but comes out to make the save when Vince/Steph try to screw The Rock over
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 3, 2021 12:05:14 GMT -5
It took until my early 20's to realize both:
1) Kane being named after the biblical Cain
2) DeGeneration X making sense as a name. Never thought about it besides 'phrase that sounds cool' but all the members do belong to Generation X so it's a corruption that went over my head
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Aug 24, 2021 21:49:23 GMT -5
Never understood the song's appeal. Sounds like the death cry of a mortally wounded walrus. It's up there with that Kane theme where the singer whines about missing some random lady, of songs where the appeal is completely lost on me. It's Katie Vick he misses!!!
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Aug 22, 2021 23:34:32 GMT -5
As a regular fan: The Undertaker not beating Stone Cold during the Power Trip angle. I thought it was finally time for The Brothers of Destruction to be on top of the WWF after they had a tremendous Wrestlemania and were tag team champions. They had already lost the tag titles to the Power Trip at Backlash but Judgment Day looked it would be the fitting cap-off for them to both win. Went to the WWF website the very next day during recess to look up the results and saw Kane def Triple H (YAY) and Stone Cold Steve Austin def The Undertaker ..... I was LIVID. Thought for sure this meant Taker would never be the main champ again.
As a smark: I don't think I posted about it but I was so disappointed when Sting didn't sign on to be Taker's WM27 opponent and it ended up being Triple H. I like Triple H but there was no way he was going to break the streak either then or the following year. Then they have the chance to do it at WM31 and didn't. I know Taker himself probably didn't want it but seeing how fit Sting is now there's no way one can say they couldn't have done a good 10 minutes where most of it would've been spectacle anyway. The other is probably the way Cena beat the Nexus at Summerslam. I still say they should've won that match and then had their humbling at Survivor Series, but they would've been fine losing a close match too. But for Cena to take a concrete DDT and then just Superman through anyway was garbage and ruined what was up until then a great match. Ever since then something really stupid won't agitate me anymore and will just make me laugh, but man I was heated when I watched that live.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 24, 2020 20:18:45 GMT -5
This thread is making me realize that when at his athletic prime, Taker was mostly surrounded by tomato can opponents. Signing Foley and creating "Kane" really pulled him out of a slump. I started browsing wrestling forums around 2001 and I remember debates about if he was even an average worker. That his only good matches came from HBK/Bret/Foley and was living off the mystique from the '98 HIAC. Given his lackluster 1999-2001 period I can see that POV, but it did ignore that he was booked to work a boring style for so long with that original Deadman gimmick and that too many of his opponents were just godawful.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 15, 2020 20:36:23 GMT -5
Long reigning US champion MVP that was a total coward giving advice to these young bucks is dope. Dude was in an inferno match with Kane. He can yap all he wants
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 19, 2020 18:41:44 GMT -5
It's my headcanon that Fake Kane was the ghost of Katie Vick who was mad he lost to Triple H, so she tried to ruin his big break in the movie industry. Same hair. Coincidence? I think not!
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jan 26, 2020 20:06:51 GMT -5
Bianca > 2001 Kane
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Nov 11, 2019 22:31:16 GMT -5
Never realized Fake Kane has the same hair as Katie Vick. Could it have been her ghost?
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 28, 2019 22:09:37 GMT -5
Oh my god, she really is pregnant isn't she? We're going to get a DNA test segment. And Mike Kanellis wil be the father! Long-carried-to-term booking
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 26, 2019 12:35:55 GMT -5
Not a cartoon, but I genuinely think it'd be fun to have a Malcolm in the Middle like show about Kane and Taker's childhood
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 23, 2018 17:01:04 GMT -5
I want this to be built like Edge/Booker T or Kane/Jericho from some backstage remark where they're talking and Hunter just goes "Great stuff Dave, but we both know Blade: Trinity is a better movie than Guardians"
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 22, 2018 2:22:02 GMT -5
The first two make perfect sense. He sided with Vince because he was so desperate to beat The Rock, knowing that at that point he had surpassed him in the year he was gone, that he asked for the help of the person he hates the most knowing that he would do it for the power of aligning with the champ. He sided with Triple H because it gave him a firmer grip on the title and removed one of his toughest competitors. Last one yeah I got nothing. The Vince one has so many logic holes I'm just going to say I disagree. I know that is what they were going for but they failed big time Why would Triple H team with Austin? Wouldn't he want the championship? Makes zero sense. Nothing in it for him. I disagree. It's a turn I was enthralled by as neither an Austin or Rock fan at the time, and one that fits more than it's given credit for. I encourage anyone able to rewatch a lot of these segments because it's one of the best periods in the entire history of wrestling. The more I went along writing this the more I appreciate it. Austin was THE man in 1999 and could/should have headlined Wrestlemania for the third time in a row to usher in the new millennium. Instead he gets run over at Survivor Series and is taken off the shelf. The obvious suspects, Triple H and Vince McMahon, each deny that they did it but both use the situation to try and destroy each other. Triple H proves to be more devious when he wins the title and the love of Stephanie. With Austin out of the picture it's The Rock who becomes the fan favorite of the company, wins the Rumble and headlines WM2000. But at Wrestlemania The Rock is betrayed by Vince, aligning with his daughter and son-in-law in a numbers game, and fails to overcome the odds like Austin had many times before. No doubt Austin, watching from afar, saw this as a sign of Rock's weakness and further fueled his hatred for Triple H. As a result of Rock being outnumbered for his title match at Backlash, Linda assigns Austin to the Rock's corner. While the fans love it, Austin sees it as babysitting a guy who couldn't get the damn job done. But it's an excuse to whoop Triple H's and the McMahon's ass, so he does just that. But there's no handshake with The Rock. No celebratory beer bath. Not even a look back. Now healthy, Austin returns at Unforgiven more vicious and unhinged than ever. Keep in mind this is the second injury he's come back from after his neck in '97. He won't let anybody get a hint of weakness, but he knows he's not the man he was before and he's going to do whatever it takes to get the top and stay there. Rikishi spills his big guts the next night in an underrated promo where he says he ran over Stone Cold so that The Rock could succeed where previous Samoans failed. He admits Rock had nothing to do with this but lies when he says he acted solely on his own. Triple H, secretly, put him up to it. The following Smackdown he reverses course and implies that Rock may have had something to do with it after all. Rock protests his innocence but Austin stuns him and re-iterates that he doesn't trust anybody except Stone Cold. His paranoia leaves him vulnerable. With Rikishi's words in his head he errs on giving a 'reforming' Triple H the tiniest of room to turn on him and lay him out. He falls prey to the same betrayal that he held against The Rock. Austin gets a title shot against Kurt Angle on RAW but his dream is shattered when Triple H interferes and screws him out of it. Not only that, but he gets pummeled and bloodied post-match. I'm convinced it's at this point he truly goes off the deep end. The following SD I always found it odd that Austin demanded Vince to show up and put him in the Rumble, and that Vince did so meekly in the middle of his own power-trip. The justification was that Austin was destroying random wrestlers left and right, but what does Vince care about that? Immediately afterwards he gripes to Trish that he had "no choice" but to do so. I always took this as the simplest explanation: Austin said "give me what I want or I whip your ass". But maybe Austin added a caveat to that in the form of "In return, I'll be in your debt if I need you at some point". When Austin won the #1 contender spot against Kurt Angle before this, it was in a triple threat that Vince McMahon refereed where Vince, surprisingly, fairly counted to three. He made sure to hold his fingers up to re-iterate that to Austin as he walked up the ramp. While Triple H faced Angle for the title, Austin had to win the Rumble for any chance of a title shot at Wrestlemania. It his only shot and it's all or nothing for his psyche. This a case where the "shades-of-grey" was executed well enough to plant seeds that would bloom later without making it obvious. For all his underdog status, Austin drew number 27. But Hunter attacks him before he can enter the match to help balance that. Kane introduces a steel chair, but it's Austin who uses it to bludgeon Kane in desperation and eliminates him. In a match where Austin said he would "raise more hell than anyone ever before", it is Kane who made the biggest impact by setting an elimination record. No matter. Austin has his WM main event in the bag and turns his attention to finally get revenge on the man responsible for running him over.... except he doesn't. He loses to Triple H. It's a fluky win, but a fair one where Triple H beat him two straight falls in a row. Austin couldn't beat Triple H. The same Triple H who couldn't beat The Rock fairly. The same Rock who Austin was now going to face at Wrestlemania. He beat him before, but that was two years and an injury ago. This is the biggest match at the biggest Wrestlemania. Maybe he can beat The Rock. Maybe he can't. But he will be the WWF champion when it's all over.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 18, 2018 14:54:41 GMT -5
It's got to be Kane!
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 11, 2018 20:12:51 GMT -5
I just remember their surprisingly good Summerslam match against Kane & X-Pac where X-Pac kicked out of the Showstopper
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 2, 2018 11:12:13 GMT -5
Judge: βI donβt know who Kane is.β
Counsel: βHe retired Ric Flair and burned his clothes in a trash binβ
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 8, 2018 13:52:27 GMT -5
I don't know why it popped into my head but I remember before CM Punk debuted one of the classic newz bits was that he was going to have a deaf gimmick with a valet (maybe Mickie James?). Obviously it would have been really stupid but then I got to thinking how dumb wrestling in general is and wondered how it might have been able to work. We, rightfully, complain about a lot of what we see but I think it'd make a good thread to take a bad idea, pretend it got forced on you by a higher-up, and try to make it actually work and go over.
So you have Punk, even at the time of his signing one of the best mic workers around, and you give him a deaf gimmick that will require him to speak very little or not at all. Not ideal, but what he can use in place of that is his unique look, tremendous body language and nuanced expressions. I picture a dynamic where Punk would be face but his valet (and interpreter) would be heel. They have a close connection, perhaps brother/sister or boyfriend/girlfriend.
The gist is that Punk is a great, hard-working wrestler but he has difficulty communicating. You keep the straight edge aspect to make it clear he's a face, and have him emphasize it in video packages like when he first started. Maybe he and his sister had a rough life and that's why they're so close, or if it's a relationship she helped get him away from that. His valet is his mouthpiece and support for navigating the RAW landscape. This is 2005/2006 so things aren't as nuanced as they are now, but you still have them do introductory vignettes/backstage segments in sign language when they communicate to each other to sell the gimmick. What would make her a heel is that she clearly uses him as a meal ticket. She badmouths him on the mic about how easy he is to use and wouldn't be here without her, she lies to him about how much the audience hates him (when they clearly hate her) and how she's the only one in the world who really cares about him and he needs her to get to the top. During the beginning stages you could have face wrestlers backstage trying to reach out or write things to him to let him know what she's saying, but she'd arrive at the last moment to rip up their message and blow them off.
With this in mind, how does the audience participate to counteract her? With signs. The Pepsi signs show him that he does have fans, others would say things like SHE'S USING YOU or WE LOVE YOU PUNK. Certain astute fans could even take to introducing signs to the crowd and eventually the crowd would adopt them to clearly show him support. He's deaf, not blind, and he notices over the months that a lot of what she's saying/doing is contradictory. From here you could go one of two ways:
1) Keep him face and commit to the gimmick: In a middle of the ring promo, maybe after she tries to interfere but it backfires costing him a title, he is about to ditch her. She begs on her knees and tries to manipulates him into keeping her, where he is then struck from behind by a big heel (Orton, Kane, etc) who just absolutely destroys him and whom she aligns with now that he's found her out. Maybe down the years to have him speak you could slowly introduce him doing promos 'getting' more natural over time to connect more with the fans. Or miracle cure because wrestling. Or even keep him 'deaf' as a symbol for deaf fans if he likes the idea.
2) Turn him heel. During his WWE title match (against a face like Cena/Batista) he gives up the farce, the emotional shock of it freezes the champion, and Punk uses the opportunity to hit his finisher and steal the win. He and the valet celebrate and he cuts a long promo about how they fooled everybody to get what they wanted: the WWE title. He says he knew all along that they loved him, and why wouldn't they? He's CM Punk. But he doesn't need their love, or the support of any community, and holds up the championship to thunderous boos from an audience who up until them had only ever tried to support him.
In the meantime you would have all kinds of unique quirks to make his matches interesting:
- He knows the match starts when he sees the ref motion for the bell instead of hearing the bell ring
- He is oblivious to people interrupting him/running in because he can't hear the music play over the PA
- The refs would have to sign "give up?" instead of asking him during submissions
Anyway, have at it. Maybe someone can make the Screwdriver Incident work.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jan 15, 2018 21:18:55 GMT -5
The monster tendencies of big guys like Kane/Taker/Big Show combined with a screw-everybody attitude like Stone Cold is a recipe that really should have been done before. I'm surprised it's just now happening
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Feb 21, 2010 0:59:00 GMT -5
Good, fast-paced opening match to get the crowd hot? Check: Jericho/Regal.
Backstage roaming, multiple random weapon-using, lulz-inducing hardcore match? Check: Kane/Big Show/ Raven
Awesome technical wrestling contest? Check: Angle/Benoit.
Drama-filled street fight? Check: Shane/Vince.
A classic tag-team match filled with run-ins and highspots? Check: TLC II.
Big nostalgia kick with hilarious commentary by Heenan and Okerlund? Check: Gimmick Battle Royal.
Great brawler that goes into the crowd filled with big power moves? Check: HHH/Taker.
Amazingly dramatic main event that combines elements of technical and hardcore-wrestling with great sequences of finisher-trading, a crowd on their feet and a brilliant finish? Check: Austin/Rock.
The best pay-per-view of all time. There was something for everyone's taste, and it all felt important and had great payoffs.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jan 11, 2010 20:33:18 GMT -5
Big Show: Kane, the new WWE calendars are out! The ones with your picture. Kane: Oh boy! Move over dental license. [takes the license off the wall] Charlie Hass: [examining the license] Hey, Kane, this license expired in 1993, and it's only good in Connecticut ... and it's signed by you! Kane: Yeah, yeah. I've been meaning to get that updated, uh, for this state and ... for real. Big Show: Here you go! [hands Kane the calendar] Kane: Have I been waiting for this! [Kane opens the calendar to see his face blocked out by a sticker. He takes it out to see another, and rips them all off before seeing his face] Kane: Oh my gosh .... am I really that ugly? Shelton Benjamin: Kane, it's all relative. Is Charlie that under-used? Is Sheamus that pale? Is Big Show that lazy, bald and fat? Kane: Oh my god, it's worse than I thought! [Kane, Big Show, Hass and Sheamus all start sobbing] Shelton Benjamin: [to the camera] See, this why I don't talk much.
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