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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 28, 2022 16:53:56 GMT -5
I feel like the only way Roman Reigns Vs. Logan Paul can work is if they really lean into the absurdity of the situation. They need to play up the fact that a guy who has had only two professional matches in his entire career is challenging the longest reigning champion in the last 34 years. From the opening bell they need to make it clear that Logan Paul is WAY out of his league. What I would do is have Roman Reigns just make it clear that he's toying with him for the first 5 minutes, Roman Reigns does not see Logan Paul as a threat, he does not take him seriously and he could beat him any time he wants but just wants to humiliate him first for his disrespect. Then Paul gets an obligatory hope spot which just pisses Roman off, who now is focused on beating the absolute f*** out of him. He punishes him with big moves and makes disrespectful non-chalant covers all the while Logan can't muster any meaningful offense. At one point even have Roman clearly have him beat, but just pulls him up to deliver more punishment. Then another hope spot happens with Logan Paul somehow managing to hit his finisher and getting a nearfall. At this point Logan comes to a realization: He can't beat the best wrestler in WWE in a fair fight so he does what he's done to get by his entire life: Cheat his ass off. There's a ref bump, Logan Paul kicks Roman low, uses one of the title belts and hits his finisher again. Still only a two count. Roman recovers, Spear, Guillotine, Paul is done. Because if they try to make it look like Paul is in any way his equal their entire roster looks like shit.It would be as irritating as Shane McMahon getting so much offense against any wrestler. Worse honestly. At least Shane has the bit of credibility he had in the Attitude Era to fall back on. Logan Paul doesn't even have that
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 28, 2022 13:09:55 GMT -5
Isn't it pretty well established that Cody and the Elite are still on good terms and they even fought to keep Cody in Fight Forever when there was talk of removing him?
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 28, 2022 13:02:02 GMT -5
Maybe they could have put it aside when it was just "we aren't friends anymore" but trying to freeze him out of a contract and publicly airing your dirty laundry at a press conference? Ouch. Aside from everything that's already been repeated all thread, that's another thing that's a little worrisome about Punk's behavior since this all went down. It's like he's leveled up past his response to falling out with someone being "I hate you now and I might talk shit about you here and there but whatever as long as we're not around each other" to "I will actively try to destroy you and your entire livelihood because I f***ing can". And see, if this was back in 2018 when their friendship really fell apart I'd kind of get why he might do that because the wound was still fresh. It would still have been scummy, but in the immediate aftermath I'd understand it. But it's been 4 f***ing years. Granted I don't know all the details of this situation, but I can't imagine a situation with a former friend where I'd still be in "I want to wreck your life" mode 4 years later.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 28, 2022 12:55:54 GMT -5
I feel like the only way Roman Reigns Vs. Logan Paul can work is if they really lean into the absurdity of the situation. They need to play up the fact that a guy who has had only two professional matches in his entire career is challenging the longest reigning champion in the last 34 years. From the opening bell they need to make it clear that Logan Paul is WAY out of his league.
What I would do is have Roman Reigns just make it clear that he's toying with him for the first 5 minutes, Roman Reigns does not see Logan Paul as a threat, he does not take him seriously and he could beat him any time he wants but just wants to humiliate him first for his disrespect. Then Paul gets an obligatory hope spot which just pisses Roman off, who now is focused on beating the absolute f*** out of him. He punishes him with big moves and makes disrespectful non-chalant covers all the while Logan can't muster any meaningful offense. At one point even have Roman clearly have him beat, but just pulls him up to deliver more punishment. Then another hope spot happens with Logan Paul somehow managing to hit his finisher and getting a nearfall.
At this point Logan comes to a realization: He can't beat the best wrestler in WWE in a fair fight so he does what he's done to get by his entire life: Cheat his ass off. There's a ref bump, Logan Paul kicks Roman low, uses one of the title belts and hits his finisher again. Still only a two count. Roman recovers, Spear, Guillotine, Paul is done.
Because if they try to make it look like Paul is in any way his equal their entire roster looks like shit.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 28, 2022 8:25:56 GMT -5
On the other hand... The WWE locker room is finally seeing some damn sunshine after years of being such a stressful environment because of Vince McMahon's machinations, not to mention the various cliques and whatnot throwing their weight around. I'm not sure how interested they'd be in having a significant headcase around just on the off chance that a couple of them might pop a number with him. And I'm not sure that Roman and Seth are that fond of Punk, I'm pretty sure Roman has said he doesn't like Punk personally. I think AJ and Punk have heat, and Punk despises Miz. Punk and Owens have issues from shit Punk did in ROH. That's a lot of top well respected guys in the WWE that Punk has heat with, and that's not even mentioning Triple H. That wouldn't be the best for the locker room. And there was his actions when at a house show before the match, Jericho and Edge were watching a hockey game and Punk got mad. Think about him at a house show when Woods, AJ and others are playing something like Smash instead of what Punk wants them to do. He's still pissed at AJ over choosing TNA over ROH back in 2004. Also some of AJ's... personal beliefs have not sat well with Punk. Cody (when he comes back) is probably not going to want to do business with a man who assaulted his friends. Keep in mind that a lot of the up and comers in WWE who came from the indies are friends with or at least friendly with Cabana, so they may be disinclined to deal with Punk. Maybe they could ave put it aside when it was just "we aren't friends anymore" but trying to freeze him out of a contract and publicly airing your dirty laundry at a press conference? Ouch.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 28, 2022 7:59:53 GMT -5
I still dont know why it bothers Punk so much that Hangman doesn't take advice. If hes not interested, he's not interested, just let him get on with it and don't take it so personally. I'd love to see how 30-year old CM Punk would have reacted if Triple H or Shawn tried to give him advice back in the day. Probably with respect and dignity. I think it's one of those things where you're mad at somebody, and you don't like them, so EVERYTHING about them becomes something that pisses you off.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 28, 2022 7:10:10 GMT -5
Could they just recast him as CM Punk now that the role is vacant? *Attempts to rant at a press conference about things that may or may not have actually happened while viciously tearing into a muffin, but gets interrupted by somebody's entrance music setting up a feud.*
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 25, 2022 8:19:52 GMT -5
Honestly if this is the end of Punk's AEW run he is the most braindead ding dong I have ever seen in my life. In this case it wouldn't take much on his end. Make an apology or two, admit he was wrong and behaved unprofessionally and take the time to heal his injuries let the situation cool down and start again.
Instead he's losing the millions he would have made in merchandise, the millions he would have made in appearance bonuses, millions in PPV bonuses and all because the man can't swallow his pride.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 24, 2022 21:07:22 GMT -5
3-4 segments for Gargano tonight counting this Are we going to get a Gargano counter? The Garganometer?
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 24, 2022 21:02:06 GMT -5
To make a point to emphasize how long this title reign has been: If you combine every championship reign for the Universal title from somebody not named Roman Reigns or Brock Lesnar it is still 92 days short of Roman's current title reign.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 24, 2022 20:58:22 GMT -5
My current take on my first Raw in a while:
-Rhea Ripley is just freaky strong and probably the best thing going in WWE
-R-Truth is a national treasure. Protect this man at all costs.
-Johnny Gargano is still one of the most effortlessly and causally funny men on earth.
-Logan Paul challenging for the title is cringe as hell, and the fact that we're expected to believe he has a chance just makes it worse.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 24, 2022 20:32:10 GMT -5
KAIRI defeated Alpha Female to advance to the finals of the IWGP Women's title tournament. And Mayu Iwatani defeated Utami Hayashishita to advance to the finals as well. So the inaugural IWGP Women's Title match will be Mayu Iwatani vs KAIRI on November 20th at NJPW x Stardom Historic Crossover. For those of us who are relatively ignorant of Joshi wrestling, on a skail of 1 to 10 how good is this as a tournament final?
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 24, 2022 20:03:26 GMT -5
Also for somebody who wanted to badly to be seen as a locker room leader..dude put in zero leg work when it was time. Like if he knew about the Colt rumor and how the Elite guys felt after Hangman’s promo? f***ing talk to them like an adult or a real leader and be like “hey guys, me and colt aren’t friends anymore but I’d never do anything to jeopardize anybody’s job. Let’s just be grown men here and squash this before it gets too crazy”. You know..acting like a leader and not a child. I guess that required too much growth and maturity that dude does not have. Instead he let that shit just fester for months. I'm going to point to Roman as an example. Roman's wellness suspension is nothing, and became a non-story among the IWC pretty quickly, and that was at the height of Roman hate, because Roman took all responsibility for it, and didn't make excuses. Roman admitted he f***ed up, and that was it. Roman made the leadership move, Punk doesn't want to admit fault. Roman in general seems a lot more secure with himself than Punk. Most of the reasons people don't like Roman have nothing to do with him. Overall he seems like a stand up guy, a good father and has honestly shown himself capable of stepping up when WWE needs him. Punk seems like a very childish insecure narcissist person. There's a lot of people who know him that REALLY don't like him because of his poor behavior. But of course it's never his fault. He mouths off to the Undertaker when he's being given advice to "dress like a champion" and then comes in in a fur coat out of spite? "It's WWE Politics at its finest!" Is passed over for a Wrestlemania main event in favor of The Miz, who is a PR dream unlike Punk who had noted attitude problems? "It's because he's a corporate ass kisser and I don't do that!" Jmped to an incorrect conclusion regarding the sources of rumors about him, made a complete ass of himself and embarrassed the company owner as well as publicly embarrassing the company at large? We all know how he's going to spin this in years to come.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 24, 2022 19:42:47 GMT -5
At age 23 I sneezed so hard I threw out my back to the point it took me months to get right.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 24, 2022 13:45:03 GMT -5
What makes this even funnier is that Punk still seemingly is bitter over The Miz main eventing Wrestlemania when Punk never did, and now, ten years later, he finally accomplishes something similar (winning a world title in the main event of the biggest pay per view of the company), and he gets his thunder stolen by a guy that he himself referred to as “A less famous Miz”. It really is funny how that played out. Also, I don't get Punk still being bitter over Miz main eventing Wrestlemania. Sure, I get him wanting to main event himself, but at the same time, Miz wasn't even the main focus of that feud. Guy played second fiddle to Cena vs Rock, lmao. Not much point in being bitter over that. I mean Punk also did that but didn't get a Wrestlemania Main Event out of it.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 24, 2022 9:06:13 GMT -5
Have them do a joint production where the entire wrestling business collectively buries CM Punk. “Ok we’re here with The Warlord and The Barbarian, the legendary Powers of Pain. Now you guys never worked with Punk?” “Never.” “And you’ve never even met Punk?” “That’s correct.” “Ok, so your thoughts?” “f*** that muffin-eating prick.” “Excellent, thanks a lot guys!” Documentary uses this as the re-enactment of the brawl at All Out:
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 22, 2022 19:36:54 GMT -5
Well if this is true Anderson is now on my f*** off forever list. One of the biggest and quickest things to piss me off is somebody who doesn't follow through on their commitments without a valid reason. And in my mind "I got a better offer" does not constitute a valid reason. No matter how good the offer is you finish your commitment.
In the off chance this turns out to be a work I will rescind my statement but not a moment sooner.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 22, 2022 19:23:24 GMT -5
That main event is extremely random and I have no objections to it whatsoever. I usually complain, I can't on this one lmao. A PPV build with some blood would be insane though I think it's a case where an awful unfortunate ending to what should have been an AEW dream match led Tony Khan to book this dream match as a make good, storylines be damned.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 22, 2022 19:16:53 GMT -5
That main event is extremely random and I have no objections to it whatsoever.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 22, 2022 3:55:09 GMT -5
Reflecting back on Punk referencing Hangman Page supposedly "going into business for himself", it did make me wonder at the time why Hangman cut that promo on Punk. You just knew there had to be a reason for it, otherwise Hangman wouldn't have said it. Well, considering the rumors that came out about Punk campaigning to Tony to get the belt off of Hangman, it's possible Hangman caught wind of what was going on behind his back. Not that I condone taking those frustrations out in public like that, but I can see why Page would be furious over it. He just recently had his crowning achievement months prior at Full Gear, coming off the heels on what was a slow 3-year build to get to that point in his career. It was a long journey, but he got there, and the payoff was incredible when it happened. That, combined with it being Adam's first world title victory meant a lot to him. It symbolizes all those years of putting in the work to get to that point, and it finally paying off. And then he catches wind about CM Punk pulling the strings to get the belt off him & trying to run the business. Everything feels like it's about to come crumbling down. After all that work put in to get to that point, it was going to be unfairly stripped away from him. If this is truly what happened, you can't help but to feel for Hangman in this situation. Tony Khan, shortly before this all came crashing down made a comment about "creative tension" being good. I think what was going on was the two of them already butting heads backstage to a degree, Tony wanting to use that in the angle which can be seen with Hangman's inexplicable hatred of Punk in kayfabe and Punk's whole "This is just business" schtick. Neither of those elements were completely out of place in kayfabe, Hangman is the Anxious Millenial Cowboy after al so it would make sense that he'd be insecure over one of the biggest names in the business coming after his top spot, especialy given how much fan support Punk had. And Punk at the best of times in character was a bit of a smarmy douche. But I think both of them were using some degree of their real thoughts on each other in their promos, and then Hangman just happened to throw a barb that landed a bit stiffer than it should have referencing some major non-kayfabe point that hit to close to home. Given Hangman's personality I can't imagine he did so maliciously, but Punk took it very personally and it led to this whole fiasco.
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