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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 21, 2022 10:57:33 GMT -5
Ignorant here does a buyout mean he still gets paid for the rest of his contract? He gets his downside guarantee. This will not include any bonuses to which he may have been entitled
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 20, 2022 14:10:17 GMT -5
Punk now learning that he was wrong about what happened, he might be more inclined to make peace. I doubt it. This is the same Punk that holds long grudges against people for the most miniscule of things. Why does he hate the Miz, for example? What is most likely going to happen is that Punk will double down on his stance, in spite his dwindling popularity. I'm just being optimistic.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 20, 2022 13:37:52 GMT -5
Punk now learning that he was wrong about what happened, he might be more inclined to make peace, but I'm not sure the Elite wants that. His political sway in the company is going to be gone at this point, but if you're the Elite are you going to be inclined to make nice with a guy who openly trashed you for something you didn't do, when his anger was largely based on "don't believe everything you read". The more comes out the worse Punk looks.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 20, 2022 13:01:51 GMT -5
Nobody deserves the kind of pain Kevin Nash is going through right now. My heart breaks for the man, as he has to do the hardest thing anybody can do: bury their child. The same year as he had to bury his best friend of 30 years.
And Tristen was so young too. He's only a year older than I am now. He had his whole life ahead of him, and to see him lose it so suddenly is just tragic.
My thoughts are with them at this time, and I really hope people listen and leave them alone right now.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 19, 2022 8:23:30 GMT -5
Yeah Ace Steel was the one guy in this situation who brought nothing of any real value to the company. Sure he's a veteran voice backstage but there's a reason the guy never became anything bigger than an obscure indy wrestler and little known WWE developmental wrestler. The only notable thing he hs is that he trained two wrestlers who became much better than him and much more successful than him in every way. There's nothing he can do that Sting, William Regal, Jerry Lynn, Christopher Daniels, Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Dustin Rhodes and Christian Cage can't do better and with the added benefit of not biting anybody. The rest of the people here however, I think Tony isn't going to make any decisions until he knows for sure he can't make amends here. All four of them are excellent wrestlers, big draws and people who DO bring something to the show that nobody can do better. Kenny and the Bucks bring AEW's history and identity, everything AEW has, everything AEW is, and everything AEW was is in large part thanks to those three. AEW without them, is like TNA without AJ Styles its just not the same. CM Punk meanwhil does bring a level of star power nobody else in AEW quite has yet. He's still a draw, he's still a name and in spite of everything he still has a lot to offer the company. Yeah I get the sense Khan wants to try and keep all 4 guys regardless of whatever happened if because they are all valuable to him. Ace on the other hand getting fired does not shock me at all and I figured Ace was always a goner. Plus, Ace is the only guy in this situation whose actions can't really be justified in any way. Punk was injured and in a lot of pain at the time and angry about what he percieved as months of bullshit journalism, so confronted by three men who were upset with him in his locker room, I can see how Punk would feel threatened and fel like he was defending himself. From the Elite's perspective, I can see how they would be upset with Punk for pulicly insulting them over something they may or may not have actually done, and trashing their friends I can understand why they'd be a bit heated and confront him before anybody had the chance to cool off. But throwing a chair and biting people is above and beyond what's reasonable.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 19, 2022 8:04:11 GMT -5
Hey can you get unemployment for that? Cause if so I got a boss I wanna bite the f*** out of. Generally if you're fired for cause (usually meaning a clear violation of company policy, criminal conduct, or simply not showing up to work.) then you wouldn't qualify
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 19, 2022 8:02:24 GMT -5
Yeah Ace Steel was the one guy in this situation who brought nothing of any real value to the company. Sure he's a veteran voice backstage but there's a reason the guy never became anything bigger than an obscure indy wrestler and little known WWE developmental wrestler. The only notable thing he hs is that he trained two wrestlers who became much better than him and much more successful than him in every way. There's nothing he can do that Sting, William Regal, Jerry Lynn, Christopher Daniels, Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Dustin Rhodes and Christian Cage can't do better and with the added benefit of not biting anybody.
The rest of the people here however, I think Tony isn't going to make any decisions until he knows for sure he can't make amends here. All four of them are excellent wrestlers, big draws and people who DO bring something to the show that nobody can do better. Kenny and the Bucks bring AEW's history and identity, everything AEW has, everything AEW is, and everything AEW was is in large part thanks to those three. AEW without them, is like TNA without AJ Styles its just not the same.
CM Punk meanwhil does bring a level of star power nobody else in AEW quite has yet. He's still a draw, he's still a name and in spite of everything he still has a lot to offer the company.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 18, 2022 22:04:14 GMT -5
Glad Chris gave them props and made a point to note that the move wasn't dangerous, it just was an accident If there was any fault to be had by anybody in this situation you know Chris Nowinski would be the first to say it, so this is a pretty shining endorsement. There are few people on the planet who understand head injuries better than him.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 18, 2022 21:44:46 GMT -5
This legit makes it scarier for me. MJF never breaks character.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 18, 2022 21:28:45 GMT -5
Check out Rey Fenix and Vikingo as well as Penta and Villano IV from TripleMania when you can. Villano IV put on some career best perfomances this year.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 18, 2022 21:19:41 GMT -5
In fairness to Mox he doesn't know what's happening either. He just saw one of his co-workers take a bad spill and land on his neck. Poor guy's mind had to be racing. I suppose what I meant to say is that his words made me all the more concerned - did not mean to criticize him. I think everybod's mind is racing right now too. That wasn't meant as a criticism towards you, and I apologize if it came out that way.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 18, 2022 21:15:28 GMT -5
Mox made it so much worse by saying “I hope he gets so walk again”…. Please be okay man In fairness to Mox he doesn't know what's happening either. He just saw one of his co-workers take a bad spill and land on his neck. Poor guy's mind had to be racing.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 18, 2022 21:13:31 GMT -5
On anohter note can we give credit to Jon Moxley for how well he handled this. He instantly realized Page was hurt, and stepped back. In spite of clearly being worried and upset, he still carried out his post match angle extremely well. He deserves credit for it.
Awful situation and obviously hoping for the best for Hangman Page. It was a freak accident and it just goes to show that even the most basic move can be distatrous.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 18, 2022 21:07:56 GMT -5
I think that's the story here. They're turning MJF face and him beating Mox clean will cement it. Just like when Flair defeated Race for his first title. It gave Flair credibilty before he turned heel for most of his first 7 reigns as world champion. Actually second. He beat Dusty to win his first title but people didn't really see him as "THE MAN" because he didn't beat Race and as such he didn't draw so well, so he dropped it to Race so he could win it back at Starrcade and thus be the man who beat the man. Still works in a similar way though.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 18, 2022 19:59:33 GMT -5
William Regal has main villain vibes... He just outtalked MJF. How do you even?
Also, are they turning MJF face?
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 15, 2022 21:42:59 GMT -5
Basically exactly what the title says. Name a wrestler who was a big name in a place you didn't expect.
My biggest: Val Venis was a major star for CMLL in Mexico in the mid 90s before coming to WWF. He was the youngest CMLL Heavyweight champion in history and had a long violent feud with their top tecnico El Rayo de Jalisco Jr.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 15, 2022 21:16:07 GMT -5
Clark Connors has issued a challenge to Suzuki for his return He is a braver man than I. I would react much as Don Callis did when Suzuki entered the room.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 15, 2022 21:10:33 GMT -5
I've always liked him in ring, but what's impressed me is that he's just consistently gotten better. Yeah his match was Tanahashi wasn't great, but that's what happens when you have a fairly green wrestler in with a guy whose knees were basically non-functional at the time. He then had an epic with Kenny, a classic with Juice, and two high level bouts with Okada and Tanahashi. In 2019 he REALLY came into his own, an awesome match with Okada in Tokyo Dome, a much improved match with Tanahashi to win the IWGP title, a war with Ospreay at the Anniversary show, a classic with Okada in MSG, which he followed that summe with a career best performance against Ibushi in the G1 finals. Let's not forget his all time great Tokyo Dome main event with Ibushi either. The man has shown he can be the best in the world. AND HE'S ONLY 30! Literally just turned 30 last week. He's going to get better, and his style gives him little risk of injury. He'll be able to wrestle at this level for the foreseeable future, and I'm loving it. It is why he was considered the biggest prospect since Okada and he has delivered. He's matched up well against basically everyone they have put him against and even when forced to come out of his style and do more strong style work he can do it The only major question on him is if whenever his contract comes up if NJPW can actually keep him. Pretty sure AEW and WWE is going to throw big money at him. Tho all things considered I wouldn't be surprised if Jay stayed since him and NJPW seem to have a good relationship but it all depends on what he wants. Unlike Ospreay and Kenny I don't think he has attempted to learn Japanese or try to get a residence out there When he went on excursion he said his goodye in Japanese, so he at least has a functional knowledge of the language. It might just be part of him being a heel.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 15, 2022 20:49:02 GMT -5
This is it right here. The answer to what people see in Jay White is right here. "Wrestler who works a heavily counter-based offense where he just nopes the hell out of top dudes' shit and turns it around into something to slap them down with" sounds like a character idea someone came up with playing Day of Reckoning. Like someone's funny cool gimmick idea they get week four of wrestling school and everyone rolls their eyes over it because no you're a newbie nobody is putting you out like that shut up. But Jay White's really done it, and he's made it awesome. New Japan is even the perfect match style to run that kind of act in. It's great. His wrestling is super underrated. Like, idk why people still hold the Tanahashi WK match against him when Tana was supposed to make him but was obviously working hurt. Once you saw what he can do the next night vs Omega, you knew the hype was real with him being the best prospect since Okada. It is really hard to wrestle his style and still keep the matches at a consistent pace while telling a story and he has perfected it. It is a gimmick and style that really shouldn't work but it does and it is amazing to see I've always liked him in ring, but what's impressed me is that he's just consistently gotten better. Yeah his match was Tanahashi wasn't great, but that's what happens when you have a fairly green wrestler in with a guy whose knees were basically non-functional at the time. He then had an epic with Kenny, a classic with Juice, and two high level bouts with Okada and Tanahashi. In 2019 he REALLY came into his own, an awesome match with Okada in Tokyo Dome, a much improved match with Tanahashi to win the IWGP title, a war with Ospreay at the Anniversary show, a classic with Okada in MSG, which he followed that summe with a career best performance against Ibushi in the G1 finals. Let's not forget his all time great Tokyo Dome main event with Ibushi either. The man has shown he can be the best in the world. AND HE'S ONLY 30! Literally just turned 30 last week. He's going to get better, and his style gives him little risk of injury. He'll be able to wrestle at this level for the foreseeable future, and I'm loving it.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 15, 2022 8:13:08 GMT -5
Jay White has become That One Boss of New Japan pro wrestling to every main eventer. 5-2 Vs. Tanahashi 2-1 Vs. Naito 4-1 Vs. Okada The only main eventer with even a 50/50 against him is Ibushi. Making matters more compelling between him and Okada is that only one of those wins was not clean. Yeah, Ibushi has whooped his ass a few times and has his number I am more shocked they have had only 5 matches but Gedo likes to save these marquee matchups as he basically didn't even have Naito/Okada look at each other much less wrestle in between their matchups His WK victory over White utterly shattered him and very nearly made him quit wrestling at large. Frankly I don't even mind that Okada is going to beat White in this one. He's made Jay look like a massive star and i don't think Jay returning the favor in the dome is going to hurt him much.
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