ppl so biased

[mysterydriver]

jcdenton said:

ok, this guy is clearly a troll, why are he haveing such debate on this?

It's like a bucket of chicken.

It may seem like a bad thing, but there is some good tasting stuff in there.

Or something. I don't know. I wanted to add a food analogy.

[Michael Coello]

You guys suck.........

[Timmy8271]

sinister1 said:

Can we can the food analogies, please? It's hard to walk half a mile to the nearest fast food place in the middle of the night with no car.

You know what, I'll just say this: TNA gets a lot of rightful flak for stuff they do, and gets a lot of wrongful flak for stuff they do. Seriously, it's like every era of TNA had something tremendously wrong with it.

Some people take this business too seriously. It's like no favorite can ever lose and no hated guy can ever win. TNA WILL NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS CAUSE THE MCMG LOST TO VKM IN 90 SECONDS! I'm sorry the guys you rooted for lost, but come on! If your favorites won every time, the show would get goddamn boring real quick. Plus, there has to be someone who likes VKM and may enjoy seeing them win. What makes you better than them?

Plus, what is this magical wrestling test that TNA has to pass every week for it to be considered ok for them to say "We Are Wrestling?" as a simple frigging tagline? I don't get, and still don't get, why TNA is considered WWE lite cause they have a few storylines that aren't just "I hate you. I hate you too. I'm gonna beat your ass!" things. Is ROH not wrestling anymore with Project 161 or Jimmy & Lacey before that? I don't anyone would call ROH "Sports Entertainment" for that, so I don't get why TNA gets it cause a few of their things aren't lineal. Oh, right, cause they hired Test for 2 weeks.......

I get it: People don't like TNA cause these guys you saw in the indys aren't in the same position or getting the same push they did in ROH, and how some guy who has a WWE background is employed(He doesn't even have to do anything for him to get hated) instead of someone else. Seriously, though, you can't go "The X-Division guys need a push" and b**** when they are given gimmicks to stand out. You can't go "These old timers need to lose to the younger guys more" and b**** about Rhino or Raven jobbing out to guys like Kaz & James Storm. You can't complain about "TNA isn't pushing any young stars" and then b**** when Eric Young, Robert Roode, Abyss or Chris Harris get pushes. You can't complain about WWE silent crowds and then b**** about the iMPACT zone being "too into it".

That's all I'm gonna say right now.

Some people take this business too seriously.

Someone should follow what they say. Just kidding. TNA might not go out of buisness because MCMG lost to VKM in 90 second but it didn't help things. Where will it lead? Will VKM win the tag titles?

But the mistakes add up and sometimes cancel out the positives. For example, I liked the Christian beat down of Samoa Joe and friends on Impact but it's overshadowed by a Non wrestler who can even touch anyone and his boy beating up the Champion of Champions and one of the main headliners. It makes no sense. We know Angle and Sting can't touch Pacman. It's just a lot of little things that pisses me off about TNA.

Are you honestly going to tell me that it was a good Idea to give Angle all the titles?

[wwerules60]

I think a lot of the reason I am harder on TNA is because before it got on TV everyone was going on and on about how great the wrestling was and how it blows WWE out of the water. But I really haven't seen that from them yet.

I do know they have the talent, I've seen some ROH with these guys and we all know what guys like Angle,Christian, and Sting can do. But I don't feel TNA has let them go out there and put on the matches they are capable of.

I'm not going to be willing to buy a PPV if they don't show me anything on their TV show.

[Munkie91087]

I am going to put my two cents in about why more people seem to complain about TNA's product over WWE's product. Let's pretend both companies are burger places. WWE is McDonalds (I know a lot of people don't like it, but they're well known to hear me out) TNA is Bob's Burgers and Fries.

So you go to McDonald's you get a decent quality meal most of the time. Then one time you notice that your burger is burnt, or as the wrong toppings. You're upset when it happens, but the next time you want a cheap burger you'll go back to McDonald's because more often than not they give you a decent burger.

So you're walking around a new neighborhood, and you are hungry and want a burger you go to a smaller place called Bob's Burgers and Fries (TNA) the first time you're there your burger is burnt, and they gave you the wrong stuff on it. The same thing happened at McDonald's, but Bob's doesn't have the repuation that McDonald's as so you remember the mistakes more, and point them out becuase you aren't as familiar with the Bob's product.

["Nature Boy" Ric Moranis]

sinister1 said:

Can we can the food analogies, please? It's hard to walk half a mile to the nearest fast food place in the middle of the night with no car.

You know what, I'll just say this: TNA gets a lot of rightful flak for stuff they do, and gets a lot of wrongful flak for stuff they do. Seriously, it's like every era of TNA had something tremendously wrong with it.

Some people take this business too seriously. It's like no favorite can ever lose and no hated guy can ever win. TNA WILL NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS CAUSE THE MCMG LOST TO VKM IN 90 SECONDS! I'm sorry the guys you rooted for lost, but come on! If your favorites won every time, the show would get goddamn boring real quick. Plus, there has to be someone who likes VKM and may enjoy seeing them win. What makes you better than them?

Plus, what is this magical wrestling test that TNA has to pass every week for it to be considered ok for them to say "We Are Wrestling?" as a simple frigging tagline? I don't get, and still don't get, why TNA is considered WWE lite cause they have a few storylines that aren't just "I hate you. I hate you too. I'm gonna beat your ass!" things. Is ROH not wrestling anymore with Project 161 or Jimmy & Lacey before that? I don't anyone would call ROH "Sports Entertainment" for that, so I don't get why TNA gets it cause a few of their things aren't lineal. Oh, right, cause they hired Test for 2 weeks.......

I get it: People don't like TNA cause these guys you saw in the indys aren't in the same position or getting the same push they did in ROH, and how some guy who has a WWE background is employed(He doesn't even have to do anything for him to get hated) instead of someone else. Seriously, though, you can't go "The X-Division guys need a push" and b**** when they are given gimmicks to stand out. You can't go "These old timers need to lose to the younger guys more" and b**** about Rhino or Raven jobbing out to guys like Kaz & James Storm. You can't complain about "TNA isn't pushing any young stars" and then b**** when Eric Young, Robert Roode, Abyss or Chris Harris get pushes. You can't complain about WWE silent crowds and then b**** about the iMPACT zone being "too into it".

That's all I'm gonna say right now.

Well put. I agree with every single thing said in Sinister's post. TNA's often held to an incredible critical standard by the online community, to the point that they can't win on boards like these by anything they do.

But technically, they have to be doing something right, because major cable networks don't just hand out two hours of weekly primetime TV to original programming. It's incredibly misguided to assume otherwise. That's a huge investment for SpikeTV. If SpikeTV wasn't happy with Impact, they could just throw two reruns of CSI in their spot.

Also I watched WCW in 2000 (Nitro and Thunder), and that was FAR worse on a weekly basis than TNA is, even at their most frustrating. I think now's the time more than any that we should have a little more patience with TNA's product as they re-figure themselves out with two hours.

And I'm saying this as a guy with a mean-spirited TNA sig...

[Michael Coello]

timmy8271 said:

sinister1 said:

Can we can the food analogies, please? It's hard to walk half a mile to the nearest fast food place in the middle of the night with no car.

You know what, I'll just say this: TNA gets a lot of rightful flak for stuff they do, and gets a lot of wrongful flak for stuff they do. Seriously, it's like every era of TNA had something tremendously wrong with it.

Some people take this business too seriously. It's like no favorite can ever lose and no hated guy can ever win. TNA WILL NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS CAUSE THE MCMG LOST TO VKM IN 90 SECONDS! I'm sorry the guys you rooted for lost, but come on! If your favorites won every time, the show would get goddamn boring real quick. Plus, there has to be someone who likes VKM and may enjoy seeing them win. What makes you better than them?

Plus, what is this magical wrestling test that TNA has to pass every week for it to be considered ok for them to say "We Are Wrestling?" as a simple frigging tagline? I don't get, and still don't get, why TNA is considered WWE lite cause they have a few storylines that aren't just "I hate you. I hate you too. I'm gonna beat your ass!" things. Is ROH not wrestling anymore with Project 161 or Jimmy & Lacey before that? I don't anyone would call ROH "Sports Entertainment" for that, so I don't get why TNA gets it cause a few of their things aren't lineal. Oh, right, cause they hired Test for 2 weeks.......

I get it: People don't like TNA cause these guys you saw in the indys aren't in the same position or getting the same push they did in ROH, and how some guy who has a WWE background is employed(He doesn't even have to do anything for him to get hated) instead of someone else. Seriously, though, you can't go "The X-Division guys need a push" and b**** when they are given gimmicks to stand out. You can't go "These old timers need to lose to the younger guys more" and b**** about Rhino or Raven jobbing out to guys like Kaz & James Storm. You can't complain about "TNA isn't pushing any young stars" and then b**** when Eric Young, Robert Roode, Abyss or Chris Harris get pushes. You can't complain about WWE silent crowds and then b**** about the iMPACT zone being "too into it".

That's all I'm gonna say right now.

Some people take this business too seriously.

Someone should follow what they say. Just kidding. TNA might not go out of buisness because MCMG lost to VKM in 90 second but it didn't help things. Where will it lead? Will VKM win the tag titles?

But the mistakes add up and sometimes cancel out the positives. For example, I liked the Christian beat down of Samoa Joe and friends on Impact but it's overshadowed by a Non wrestler who can even touch anyone and his boy beating up the Champion of Champions and one of the main headliners. It makes no sense. We know Angle and Sting can't touch Pacman. It's just a lot of little things that pisses me off about TNA.

Are you honestly going to tell me that it was a good Idea to give Angle all the titles?

Well, it led to a few teams walking out and confronting them, and that helped lead to the 10 Man Tag Gauntlet, so it lead to that, I would say.

Look, not everything TNA does is misunderstood or whatever. Pacman, even though I find him entertaining and he doesn't seem to cause any trouble with people, was a bad sign. A wrestler who doesn't wrestle is pretty much useless.

And Angle, while not a good thing to do, wasn't exactly all bad. It was built for a match, and they couldn't back out of it once it was in motion. They could have handled it better, but we're here, and it's nothing too horrible, IMHO.

[Timmy8271]

How is it not bad that he is a guy that is in the Signature Steroid scandal? I mean if you were in charge of TNA, Would you have a guy like that as your champion? When TNA gets in front of Congress and has to explain that, what should they say?

And what's the 10 man tag gautlet going to prove? Will any of the teams besides Team 3d get a legit shot at the title?

[Kevin Hamilton]

I also should point out that Dolemite would not approve of Rat Soup no matter who's servin it.

[Michael Coello]

timmy8271 said:

How is it not bad that he is a guy that is in the Signature Steroid scandal? I mean if you were in charge of TNA, Would you have a guy like that as your champion? When TNA gets in front of Congress and has to explain that, what should they say?

And what's the 10 man tag gautlet going to prove? Will any of the teams besides Team 3d get a legit shot at the title?

I don't remember him in the Signature thing. I remember him for something few months ago, but nothing current. might have missed it though. Either what, there's nothing I can say cause I'm not sure of the details and how recently he was on them and stuff.

The other thing, The Gauntlet is a number 1 contendership and the winners faces the champs at BFG, so I'm guessing they will.

[lildude8218]

TNA is like an ice cream sundae with nuts, sprinkles and whipped cream. But then without warning the cherry falls off the top and your first reaction is turn your hand to catch it but then spill all the ice cream all over your hand and onto the ground.

So now you've got sticky ice cream hands with no napkins. Plus there's a bucket of crispy golden fried chicken there that you can't eat now because you don't want ice cream on your chicken. So you're desperately trying to find some napkins and that's when you realize "Aww damn it, they forgot the mashed potatoes AGAIN!"

So then you've got to drive ALL the way back to the KFC and yell at them once again. But thankfully you find some napkins in your glove compartment. Then you get to KFC and they won't help you unless you have your reciept but they never put it in the damn bag! Finally they give you some mashed potatoes anyway because they remember you from last time.

So then you get back to your house and enjoy your meal but by then the chicken is all cold but you eat it anyway. You take all of your garbage and go to throw it out but as you're leaning over you look into the trash can and oh my God a rubber....rubber...rubber

[Michael Coello]

sinister1 said:

You guys suck.........

[dpg]

sinister1 said:

Can we can the food analogies, please? It's hard to walk half a mile to the nearest fast food place in the middle of the night with no car.

You know what, I'll just say this: TNA gets a lot of rightful flak for stuff they do, and gets a lot of wrongful flak for stuff they do. Seriously, it's like every era of TNA had something tremendously wrong with it.

Some people take this business too seriously. It's like no favorite can ever lose and no hated guy can ever win. TNA WILL NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS CAUSE THE MCMG LOST TO VKM IN 90 SECONDS! I'm sorry the guys you rooted for lost, but come on! If your favorites won every time, the show would get goddamn boring real quick. Plus, there has to be someone who likes VKM and may enjoy seeing them win. What makes you better than them?

Plus, what is this magical wrestling test that TNA has to pass every week for it to be considered ok for them to say "We Are Wrestling?" as a simple frigging tagline? I don't get, and still don't get, why TNA is considered WWE lite cause they have a few storylines that aren't just "I hate you. I hate you too. I'm gonna beat your ass!" things. Is ROH not wrestling anymore with Project 161 or Jimmy & Lacey before that? I don't anyone would call ROH "Sports Entertainment" for that, so I don't get why TNA gets it cause a few of their things aren't lineal. Oh, right, cause they hired Test for 2 weeks.......

I get it: People don't like TNA cause these guys you saw in the indys aren't in the same position or getting the same push they did in ROH, and how some guy who has a WWE background is employed(He doesn't even have to do anything for him to get hated) instead of someone else. Seriously, though, you can't go "The X-Division guys need a push" and b**** when they are given gimmicks to stand out. You can't go "These old timers need to lose to the younger guys more" and b**** about Rhino or Raven jobbing out to guys like Kaz & James Storm. You can't complain about "TNA isn't pushing any young stars" and then b**** when Eric Young, Robert Roode, Abyss or Chris Harris get pushes. You can't complain about WWE silent crowds and then b**** about the iMPACT zone being "too into it".

That's all I'm gonna say right now.

I agree with pretty much all of that. TNA gets a great deal of flack for doing things that pretty much they either have to do, or anyone else would do too. That plus the smark sites don't help, constantly coming out with how unhappy the talent is week after week, making out that pacman isn't fitting in and isn't liked, putting that Jarrett is to return and win the title every month (that stopped being funny about 6 months back), how hiring any former WWE guy is putting their own talent down etc etc

[mysterydriver]

TNA is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

...

Yeah.

[poi zen rana]

timmy8271 said:

And what's the 10 man tag gautlet going to prove? Will any of the teams besides Team 3d get a legit shot at the title?

the 10 man tag gauntlet is just a way to get more air time and pay per view time to some of the younger talent. right now i don't really care who wins because it sounds like it could be a good match and there is some great talent in the match.

[thestinger]

The original poster seems to be saying that as long as TNA is better than WWE, things are fine. Being better than WWE isn't enough for me. I consider a blank screen filled with static better than WWE. I want great wrestling matches.

In 2005 and 2006 every TNA Pay Per View was awesome and totally worth the money. In 2007 Destination X and last months Hard Justice sucked.

And otherwise good shows like Lockdown are branded on the net as being horrible because of one or two disatrous matches (blindfold and 'electric' cage).

Where are matches like LAX/Styles and Daniels? Or the three way matches for the X-division title with Joe/AJ/Daniels? Do you guys remember the Sabin/Senshi X division title matches? The last time that belt mattered? They were amazing.

Two years ago a fan could proudly say, "TNA is my favorite company" and not be met with mocking laughter. We need that back.

[Pgarodactyl]

Apparently my 78th clone is causing a bit of a kerfuffle here.

[kingoftheindies]

I think TNA gets way too much flack, and a lot of it has to do with smark sites jumping the gun. Samoa Joe has two years left on his deal and wants to play wait and see instead of signing an extension so people think he's unhappy.

I also fiind it funny that whenever the MCMG, or Shelley in particular, lose people are in an uproar. Funny thing is neither MCMG, or VKM are really getting pushed. It was just a match.

I also love how a lot of people think Black Machismo is crap, and ruining Jay Lethal, but by all accounts he's having a blast doing the gimmick, and the crowd loves it.

[blackstussyshirt]

TNA is terrible. They are the jealous middle child of wrestling.

Worst fed ever.

[HMARK Center]

blackstussyshirt said:

TNA is terrible. They are the jealous middle child of wrestling.

Worst fed ever.

The level of discourse in this thread is truly consciousness-expanding.