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Post by thestinger on Sept 8, 2007 13:40:49 GMT -5
How do you form an opinion on something if you don't watch it? Out of curiosity, I watched the first show of the new ECW (because I was a fan of the old ECW). It was not just the worst wrestling show I had ever seen, but the worst hour of television I have ever seen. I have friends who watch and say that in two hour shows, there is like 14 minutes of wrestling. When I read online articles about WWE, people who work in the wrestling business go on and on about how Khali, Snitsky, Batista, whomever have zero talent and they can't believe they are on their televisions.
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Post by thestinger on Sept 8, 2007 13:44:15 GMT -5
Sorry man, I can respect (and hell I agree) about WWE being totally unentertaining, but to call it the minor leagues under ANY stretch of the imagination, is foolish, thats like me calling the NHL the minor leagues compared to WHL because I think WHL has better games. Well that's the way it seems to me. TNA seems to have the much more talented roster. I think if I recorded a match between Jay Lethal and Petey Williams in an empty arena and showed it to a non-wrestling fan and then recorded a match with, I don't know, Big Daddy V and the Boogey man and showed it to the same non-wrestling fan and asked: "Which wrestlers do you think work for the #1 company, and which do you think work for the 5 year old struggling company" -- I'm willing to be the non-fan would say the TNA guys must work for the decades old company.
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Post by hollywood on Sept 8, 2007 13:44:58 GMT -5
How do you form an opinion on something if you don't watch it? Out of curiosity, I watched the first show of the new ECW (because I was a fan of the old ECW). It was not just the worst wrestling show I had ever seen, but the worst hour of television I have ever seen. I have friends who watch and say that in two hour shows, there is like 14 minutes of wrestling. When I read online articles about WWE, people who work in the wrestling business go on and on about how Khali, Snitsky, Batista, whomever have zero talent and they can't believe they are on their televisions. With all due respect, you seem to give WWE "a chance" about the same way so many people are accused of giving TNA "a chance" myself included.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Sept 8, 2007 13:46:35 GMT -5
How do you form an opinion on something if you don't watch it? Out of curiosity, I watched the first show of the new ECW (because I was a fan of the old ECW). It was not just the worst wrestling show I had ever seen, but the worst hour of television I have ever seen. I have friends who watch and say that in two hour shows, there is like 14 minutes of wrestling. When I read online articles about WWE, people who work in the wrestling business go on and on about how Khali, Snitsky, Batista, whomever have zero talent and they can't believe they are on their televisions. Well, that show aired 15 months ago, so I don't see that as valid. People told me the movie "Airplane" sucked and it's one of the funniest movies ever, I found that out by watching it and forming an opinion. That's 3 people out of a roster of about 50. I agree that those 3 suck, no argument there, but talent like Kendrick and London, MVP, Matt Hardy, Umaga, Chavo Guerrero, Haas and Benjamin, CM Punk, Elijah Burke, Jeff Hardy and a few more make up for the bad ones. Just like many people on the TNA roster make up for garbage like Rick Steiner, VKM, Robert Roode (whom can be good, just hasn't been lately) and others that aren't so great on the TNA roster.
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Post by jcdenton on Sept 8, 2007 13:47:04 GMT -5
Sorry man, I can respect (and hell I agree) about WWE being totally unentertaining, but to call it the minor leagues under ANY stretch of the imagination, is foolish, thats like me calling the NHL the minor leagues compared to WHL because I think WHL has better games. Well that's the way it seems to me. TNA seems to have the much more talented roster. I think if I recorded a match between Jay Lethal and Petey Williams in an empty arena and showed it to a non-wrestling fan and then recorded a match with, I don't know, Big Daddy V and the Boogey man and showed it to the same non-wrestling fan and asked: "Which wrestlers do you think work for the #1 company, and which do you think work for the 5 year old struggling company" -- I'm willing to be the non-fan would say the TNA guys must work for the decades old company. But then, Its more then just Talent (because WWE has some major talent, its just for some odd reason they rarely find there way past midcard) its also about time on TV, production, merchdising, tie ins with other things, and NAME reconation. WWE= Wrestling when people hear it TNA= porn when people hear it.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Sept 8, 2007 13:47:36 GMT -5
Sorry man, I can respect (and hell I agree) about WWE being totally unentertaining, but to call it the minor leagues under ANY stretch of the imagination, is foolish, thats like me calling the NHL the minor leagues compared to WHL because I think WHL has better games. Well that's the way it seems to me. TNA seems to have the much more talented roster. I think if I recorded a match between Jay Lethal and Petey Williams in an empty arena and showed it to a non-wrestling fan and then recorded a match with, I don't know, Big Daddy V and the Boogey man and showed it to the same non-wrestling fan and asked: "Which wrestlers do you think work for the #1 company, and which do you think work for the 5 year old struggling company" -- I'm willing to be the non-fan would say the TNA guys must work for the decades old company. Ok, also record a match between Kendrick and London Vs. The Hardy's and VKM Vs. The Steiners.
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 8, 2007 13:47:43 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, I watched the first show of the new ECW (because I was a fan of the old ECW). It was not just the worst wrestling show I had ever seen, but the worst hour of television I have ever seen. I have friends who watch and say that in two hour shows, there is like 14 minutes of wrestling. When I read online articles about WWE, people who work in the wrestling business go on and on about how Khali, Snitsky, Batista, whomever have zero talent and they can't believe they are on their televisions. With all due respect, you seem to give WWE "a chance" about the same way so many people are accused of giving TNA "a chance" myself included. Especially considering that ECW now has a strong case to be called the best wrestling show on TV today.
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Post by hollywood on Sept 8, 2007 13:50:42 GMT -5
With all due respect, you seem to give WWE "a chance" about the same way so many people are accused of giving TNA "a chance" myself included. Especially considering that ECW now has a strong case to be called the best wrestling show on TV today. I'd support that case, and, just for the record, I supported it long before Punk became champ.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Sept 8, 2007 13:53:10 GMT -5
Well that's the way it seems to me. TNA seems to have the much more talented roster. I think if I recorded a match between Jay Lethal and Petey Williams in an empty arena and showed it to a non-wrestling fan and then recorded a match with, I don't know, Big Daddy V and the Boogey man and showed it to the same non-wrestling fan and asked: "Which wrestlers do you think work for the #1 company, and which do you think work for the 5 year old struggling company" -- I'm willing to be the non-fan would say the TNA guys must work for the decades old company. Ok, also record a match between Kendrick and London Vs. The Hardy's and VKM Vs. The Steiners. How about MCMG vs. XXX? I notice you left those two teams out.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Sept 8, 2007 13:54:29 GMT -5
Ok, also record a match between Kendrick and London Vs. The Hardy's and VKM Vs. The Steiners. How about MCMG vs. XXX? I notice you left those two teams out. That would be a hell of a match. I'd like to see Kendrick and London Vs. MCMG's.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Sept 8, 2007 13:56:05 GMT -5
How about MCMG vs. XXX? I notice you left those two teams out. That would be a hell of a match. I'd like to see Kendrick and London Vs. MCMG's. I think everyone would.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Sept 8, 2007 13:57:09 GMT -5
That would be a hell of a match. I'd like to see Kendrick and London Vs. MCMG's. I think everyone would. Throw in the Briscoes and it would probably be the best WWE Vs. TNA Vs. ROH match possible. (except maybe Finlay Vs. Angle Vs. Danielson.)
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Post by thestinger on Sept 8, 2007 13:57:58 GMT -5
With all due respect, you seem to give WWE "a chance" about the same way so many people are accused of giving TNA "a chance" myself included. I'll cop to that. I have no problem admitting that I won't give a wrestling company a chance when they have non-wrestlers holding major titles (I'm talking about Vince and Hornswaggle here, but I'm looking at you, Pacman!) and all major storylines being ripped off from soap operas and revolving around a senior citizen owner and his family. Like Hollywood with TNA, I won't even consider watching until I hear of a major change in direction, which would likely require a change of ownership (which will never happen.) And to JC Denton who says: its also about time on TV, production, merchdising, tie ins with other things, and NAME reconation. WWE= Wrestling when people hear it TNA= porn when people hear it.Not to me. Those things don't matter to me. That's why I said, "To me." I don't care if TNA or ROH are NEVER the ranked above WWE to the world, because they already are -- to me. And I know WWE has talented wrestlers. Being a former WCW fan, I know all about Helms, Chavo and Booker. But I also know that they blow it often with these guys like they did with Lance Storm, and had people like Dean Malenko retire early because, "I can't do what I do in six minutes."
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Sept 8, 2007 14:01:10 GMT -5
Throw in the Briscoes and it would probably be the best WWE Vs. TNA Vs. ROH match possible. (except maybe Finlay Vs. Angle Vs. Danielson.) Not a big fan of the Briscoes but okay.
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Post by hollywood on Sept 8, 2007 14:03:12 GMT -5
With all due respect, you seem to give WWE "a chance" about the same way so many people are accused of giving TNA "a chance" myself included. I'll cop to that. I have no problem admitting that I won't give a wrestling company a chance when they have non-wrestlers holding major titles (I'm talking about Vince and Hornswaggle here, but I'm looking at you, Pacman!) and all major storylines being ripped off from soap operas and revolving around a senior citizen owner and his family. Like Hollywood with TNA, I won't even consider watching until I hear of a major change in direction, which would likely require a change of ownership (which will never happen.) And to JC Denton who says: its also about time on TV, production, merchdising, tie ins with other things, and NAME reconation. WWE= Wrestling when people hear it TNA= porn when people hear it.Not to me. Those things don't matter to me. That's why I said, "To me." I don't care if TNA or ROH are NEVER the ranked above WWE to the world, because they already are -- to me. And I know WWE has talented wrestlers. Being a former WCW fan, I know all about Helms, Chavo and Booker. But I also know that they blow it often with these guys like they did with Lance Storm, and had people like Dean Malenko retire early because, "I can't do what I do in six minutes." Well, perhaps now that CM Punk's on top in ECW, you could give that show a chance? Granted, he only got the belt because of Morrison's suspension, but still. The show's leaps and bounds above what it used to be. If I keep hearing fairly positive reviews of Impact like I am now, I'll give them a chance when Pacman leaves.
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Post by Chucklehead,baby!!! on Sept 8, 2007 14:08:58 GMT -5
i know tna not as good as it should be lately, but why is it gettin less respect just cause pacman jones, I am not tryin be a tna mark but the wwe has had kfed pin its champion, and yet noone complains about it as much as pacman jones, obviously tna needs step up and fix its problems but why does it get hated on so much here, when wwe has equally bad things like a midget bein cruiserweight champ and buryin the cruiserweight division, is the wwe allowed to have crap and tna can't? its simple, WWE likes to show off that u can cheat with someones girl and become worls champion, or be a male slut with at least 2 baby mommas and still be "cool".....even if your album goes wood and u dont have a job or work for yours. but pac man jones works all his life to get to the NFL and he gets flak for it.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 8, 2007 14:10:35 GMT -5
I'll cop to that. I have no problem admitting that I won't give a wrestling company a chance when they have non-wrestlers holding major titles (I'm talking about Vince and Hornswaggle here, but I'm looking at you, Pacman!) and all major storylines being ripped off from soap operas and revolving around a senior citizen owner and his family. The cruiserweight championship is a major title? That may be the biggest compliment that title has gotten. its simple, WWE likes to show off that u can cheat with someones girl and become worls champion, or be a male slut with at least 2 baby mommas and still be "cool".....even if your album goes wood and u dont have a job or work for yours. but pac man jones works all his life to get to the NFL and he gets flak for it. Pacman gets flak for being arrested 5 times and questioned 11 times in two years. He gets flak for being a criminal, allegedly being involved in assaulting a woman, a drug addict, and allegedly being involved in a shooting that paralyzed a man from the waist down. To say he gets flak for getting to the NFL is complete bullshit.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Sept 8, 2007 14:13:29 GMT -5
i know tna not as good as it should be lately, but why is it gettin less respect just cause pacman jones, I am not tryin be a tna mark but the wwe has had kfed pin its champion, and yet noone complains about it as much as pacman jones, obviously tna needs step up and fix its problems but why does it get hated on so much here, when wwe has equally bad things like a midget bein cruiserweight champ and buryin the cruiserweight division, is the wwe allowed to have crap and tna can't? its simple, WWE likes to show off that u can cheat with someones girl and become worls champion, or be a male slut with at least 2 baby mommas and still be "cool".....even if your album goes wood and u dont have a job or work for yours. but pac man jones works all his life to get to the NFL and he gets flak for it. He also got suspended from the NFL for being involved in a shooting.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Sept 8, 2007 14:14:24 GMT -5
I'll cop to that. I have no problem admitting that I won't give a wrestling company a chance when they have non-wrestlers holding major titles (I'm talking about Vince and Hornswaggle here, but I'm looking at you, Pacman!) and all major storylines being ripped off from soap operas and revolving around a senior citizen owner and his family. The cruiserweight championship is a major title? That may be the biggest compliment that title has gotten. What's wrong with a little person holding a title anyway? It's kinda messed up that we all see that as a joke. He's a trained wrestler who probably worked many years to get where he is.
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Post by thestinger on Sept 8, 2007 14:15:15 GMT -5
Has the entire show really turned around just with an ROH alumus as the champ? Don't they have a tiny roster of mostly guys they couldn't fit on the two other shows without any titles to feud over?
The reviews I read on wrestling sites (two or three) have never had anything good to say about this show until this past week. Many sites were predicting this show's cancellation as of a few months ago.
They may have a good champion, but who is he going to defend it against? Monty Brown? Christian couldn't get a good title match out of him in TNA.
I'm really surprised so many of you would advocate for this show. Did it undergo a complete metamorphasis since fans were expecting to see RVD vs. Jerry Lynn or Mike Awesome vs. Masato Tanaka nearly took their own lives after Sci fi premiere?
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