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Post by Red Impact on Sept 8, 2007 14:36:15 GMT -5
Ok, I REALLY didn't know any of that. Sorry, Hollywood. I still thought the show was considered the "C" show of a company that I don't even want to watch the "A" show. It's easy to forget now, but when the show started it was promoted as a separate entity and fans hoped Heyman would be given autonomy. That didn't work out so I thought it was still the worst wrestling show on TV. I'm pretty sure they do still consider it the C-show, it just happens to be better than either the A or B show. The importance a company places on a product isnt' necessarily indicative of the quality of that product. They throw millions into Raw and, aside from the occasional comedy chuckles, it sucks. Same for Smackdown. ECW is cheaper, but they have some quality performers. It's not perfect by any means, but no show will ever be. It still has Miz, Boogeyman, and Big Daddy V on it, but a good show is still a good show, even with a few bad performers. The biggest problem I've seen people have with the show in its current form is that it's a) a WWE show and b) it's not the old ECW. If you can get over both of those, it can be entertaining. |
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Sept 8, 2007 14:36:55 GMT -5
Yeah, it looks bad, but it's not referred to as a joke as much as Hornswoggle is. And he's only called a joke because he suffers from dwarfism. If he was 5"6' and was playing a leprechaun character people wouldn't scoff at it as much. (like if Crash held the belt in his Erin O'grady character). Not many WWE fans take the womens' division seriously--it is a joke good for cheap thrills. It's certainly nothing more than a piss break or masturbation fodder. The champ is the champ because she posed in playboy not because of being a wrestler or anything like that. That's what I'm trying to say, more people seem to respect candice as a performer than Hornswoggle just because of the fact he's shorter than average even though he's 10times the talent she is. |
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Sept 8, 2007 14:38:38 GMT -5
In the 90s I liked ECW and WCW, and today TNA and ROH. So how can I be a mark? Technically, in the most black-and-white definition of the term, you are a mark if you spend money on something. Thus, unless you just watch the free TV shows, you're a mark. Better than being an apologist (TNAbler, ROHbot and the like). |
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Sept 8, 2007 14:39:37 GMT -5
Not many WWE fans take the womens' division seriously--it is a joke good for cheap thrills. It's certainly nothing more than a piss break or masturbation fodder. The champ is the champ because she posed in playboy not because of being a wrestler or anything like that. Well, she has also tried extremely hard to improve as a wrestler.  The same can be said for the TE kids but it's not the same as busting your ass on the indy circuit for 5 or 6 years. Also, she doesn't have to improve all that much because since she is a diva she can do a monkeyflip and be called a great technician. The bar for womens' wrestling in the WWE is set extremely low because of the lack of talent and replacment of wrestlers with models. If I diva search girl can do a headlock, she's golden. It's about the boobies and Playboy, that's what makes you. |
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Sept 8, 2007 14:40:30 GMT -5
Not many WWE fans take the womens' division seriously--it is a joke good for cheap thrills. It's certainly nothing more than a piss break or masturbation fodder. The champ is the champ because she posed in playboy not because of being a wrestler or anything like that. That's what I'm trying to say, more people seem to respect candice as a performer than Hornswoggle just because of the fact he's shorter than average even though he's 10times the talent she is. People respect Candice maybe a little smidge more-that's not much. Women and midgets and cruiserweights are all novelties in wrestling. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 8, 2007 14:42:43 GMT -5
Well, she has also tried extremely hard to improve as a wrestler. The same can be said for the TE kids but it's not the same as busting your ass on the indy circuit for 5 or 6 years. Also, she doesn't have to improve all that much because since she is a diva she can do a monkeyflip and be called a great technician. The bar for womens' wrestling in the WWE is set extremely low. It's about the boobies and Playboy, that's what makes you. While I agree with that assessment, I think that Candice has shown that she wants to improve as a female wrestler and, unlike Ashley, has shown that she can actually learn new things. Candice seems to want to be the next Trish Stratus, who is a bit overrated by people but was a passable woman's wrestler. She may not have started in the indies like Melina, Mickie, or even Gail Kim, but she is still trying to learn. Just because you got handpicked doesn't mean you can't improve into a good wrestler. |
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Post by thestinger on Sept 8, 2007 14:43:59 GMT -5
Do you understand where I'm coming from? Kinda sorta. I don't care about the future of WWE, and I never liked Balls Mahoney or Monty Brown -- but the fact that you're telling me the show features wrestling matches taking up the majority of the time sounds encouraging. Wrestling shows should always spend the majority of the time in the ring. And the premiere on sci fi was awful. No euphamisms, no exaggerations -- pure crap. There were no hype issues for me, because I don't watch WWE shows. I just saw commercials for a 'new' ECW on Sci fi and thought I'd watch it. When I learned Vince was involved I thought it would suck, but even I had no idea how bad it would suck! The show would have to have changed completely from the night the Sandman took on the Zombie. |
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Sept 8, 2007 14:45:54 GMT -5
The same can be said for the TE kids but it's not the same as busting your ass on the indy circuit for 5 or 6 years. Also, she doesn't have to improve all that much because since she is a diva she can do a monkeyflip and be called a great technician. The bar for womens' wrestling in the WWE is set extremely low. It's about the boobies and Playboy, that's what makes you. While I agree with that assessment, I think that Candice has shown that she wants to improve as a female wrestler and, unlike Ashley, has shown that she can actually learn new things. Candice seems to want to be the next Trish Stratus, who is a bit overrated by people but was a passable woman's wrestler. She may not have started in the indies like Melina, Mickie, or even Gail Kim, but she is still trying to learn. Just because you got handpicked doesn't mean you can't improve into a good wrestler. She'll be a good WWE-style diva, not a good wrestler. Wrestlers and Divas are two different things. Just because she's a woman doesn't mean she'll be a good womens' wrestler, she's a diva. All I'm saying is that the WWE womens' division is less about wrestling or wrestling talent. Oppurtunity is given to great racks and to be a champ you pose in Playboy. Yeah, I respect and idolize that the same way I would HBK.  At the end of the day it's meaningless to wrestling and is only a cheap thrill a novelty act. And that's the only thing women and midgets can ever be in wrasslin'. |
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Post by hollywood on Sept 8, 2007 14:48:08 GMT -5
Do you understand where I'm coming from? Kinda sorta. I don't care about the future of WWE, and I never liked Balls Mahoney or Monty Brown -- but the fact that you're telling me the show features wrestling matches taking up the majority of the time sounds encouraging. Wrestling shows should always spend the majority of the time in the ring. And the premiere on sci fi was awful. No euphamisms, no exaggerations -- pure crap. There were no hype issues for me, because I don't watch WWE shows. I just saw commercials for a 'new' ECW on Sci fi and thought I'd watch it. When I learned Vince was involved I thought it would suck, but even I had no idea how bad it would suck! The show would have to have changed completely from the night the Sandman took on the Zombie. The Zombie was the one good part of the show! Even Gabe Sapolski supports the Zombie!!  |
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 8, 2007 14:48:59 GMT -5
It still has Miz, Boogeyman, and Big Daddy V on it, but a good show is still a good show, even with a few bad performers. I disagree with the word "performers" being used. "Wrestlers" I could agree with, but I think each man does perform well. Boogeyman is like a creepy, kooky Junk Yard Dog. He's not a great wrestler, no where close, but he has the charisma and willingness to make his character work. He's actually over with the crowd. No, he can't chain wrestle, but he can get the crowd to cheer and that is what a performer does. Big Daddy V does have some talent. It's hard to be in the business as long as him and not. However, his gimmick is a "performer" gimmick. He's a big, one-man wrecking crew. He doesn't have to be a good wrestler. He just needs to pull off his intimidating look while letting his mouthpiece (Striker) build him up. Heck, I see people doing the "V" symbol when he does it now. Now Miz is a little harder to defend. He was doing well on Smackdown and he's had a hard time adjusting to the new show (Even having one of the worst matches I've ever seen with Balls Mahoney about two or three weeks ago), but his character is working out okay. The "Sex idol that people don't find sexy" works for him and he has the proper amount of arrogance to pull it off. Again. They aren't great wrestlers, but I find them to be good to great Performers. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 8, 2007 14:50:41 GMT -5
Kinda sorta. I don't care about the future of WWE, and I never liked Balls Mahoney or Monty Brown -- but the fact that you're telling me the show features wrestling matches taking up the majority of the time sounds encouraging. Wrestling shows should always spend the majority of the time in the ring. And the premiere on sci fi was awful. No euphamisms, no exaggerations -- pure crap. There were no hype issues for me, because I don't watch WWE shows. I just saw commercials for a 'new' ECW on Sci fi and thought I'd watch it. When I learned Vince was involved I thought it would suck, but even I had no idea how bad it would suck! The show would have to have changed completely from the night the Sandman took on the Zombie. The Zombie was the one good part of the show! Even Gabe Sapolski supports the Zombie!! The closest thing the WWE has to the Zombie anymore is Linda McMahon. |
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Post by Corporate H on Sept 8, 2007 14:51:17 GMT -5
WWE and TNA both suck right now. I just say it how I see it.
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Post by hollywood on Sept 8, 2007 14:53:27 GMT -5
WWE and TNA both suck right now. I just say it how I see it. Perhaps, but ECW currently sucks the least.  |
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 8, 2007 14:53:45 GMT -5
WWE and TNA both suck right now. I just say it how I see it. Are you a whale biologist? |
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Post by Corporate H on Sept 8, 2007 14:53:54 GMT -5
WWE and TNA both suck right now. I just say it how I see it. Perhaps, but ECW currently sucks the least. I'll agree with that, for the most part. |
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Post by thestinger on Sept 8, 2007 14:56:16 GMT -5
I am not exaggerating in the least when I say that was the worst hour of television I ever watched.
The only time when I wasn't in immediate danger of falling asleep was when the blonde stripper chick was on the screen!
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 8, 2007 15:05:12 GMT -5
I am not exaggerating in the least when I say that was the worst hour of television I ever watched. The only time when I wasn't in immediate danger of falling asleep was when the blonde stripper chick was on the screen! Well, she's still there. She has a crush on Balls Mahoney now. To bring another point about ECW up, they are almost guarenteed to have a legit surprise every few weeks. Whether it is the announcement of Armando being GM or upset wins. Anyone on the roster can beat anyone at anytime. Stevie upset Thorn. Balls upset Burke. Big Daddy V beat Punk by countout. Any match has the possibility of both men winning...well maybe not Nunzio's matches. Poor Nunzio. |
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Post by Timmy8271 on Sept 8, 2007 18:11:15 GMT -5
I am not exaggerating in the least when I say that was the worst hour of television I ever watched. The only time when I wasn't in immediate danger of falling asleep was when the blonde stripper chick was on the screen! The first 6 months were god awful for ECW. I agree it was the worst hour of wrestling. But when they started bringing in guys like Burke, Monty, Sabu and started pushing Punk as a serious threat, it started getting good. When Nitro came in, It started getting even better. It was mentioned earlier about the roster and pacman in TNA. The Roster might be one of the best in wrestling. That makes me more pissed off what they are doing with that roster. I mean lets look who are some of the main guys there: Angle(WWE), Sting(WCW), Christian(WWE), Joe(TNA), Abyss(TNA). That's 3 ex WWE/WCW guys and two homegrown TNA guys. And who's doing the most jobs? Joe and Abyss. It seems like most of the homegrown guys in TNA can get less of a push than the ex WWE guys. That's what makes me angry about TNA. And About Pacman, He might have only been on "five minutes" but he's getting paid for 5 minutes more than most of the guys do in a couple months. That's bullcrap to me. If they wanted a athelete or star, They could have picked a less controversial guy and a guy that wasn't part of a shooting of a wrestler. But Jarrett is a Titan mark. |
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Sept 8, 2007 18:29:12 GMT -5
Tna is like watching a really fast boring car crash..if there is such a thing, if not i just made it up so ;P
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 8, 2007 18:34:58 GMT -5
What guys are TNA guys? If you really wanna get technical, if TNA can't push "WWE Guys" or "WCW guys", why do they need to push "ROH/Indy guys"? Why do Alex Shelley or Samoa Joe or Homicide need a push when the WWE/WCW guys don't? Hell, the only "TNA guys" are people like AJ Styles(maybe), Abyss, Team Canada, James Storm, & Chris Harris(maybe), if you wanna get technical. If the TNA guys need pushes, then only those guys should get it. Jeez, it's not like they're giving main event pushes and belts to Disco Inferno or Robby Rage(they did that already 4-5 years ago.  ). Angle was a man who was in the main event scene in WWE till the end of his run, Cage is a guy most people thought was underused and destined for main event status, and Sting is a legend in this biz. Plus, all 3 and more have showed they still have the ability to go in the ring. You act like they all need to have oxygen masks brought to the ring and are like Jimmy Snuka or Iron Sheik in the indy scene. |
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). Angle was a man who was in the main event scene in WWE till the end of his run, Cage is a guy most people thought was underused and destined for main event status, and Sting is a legend in this biz. Plus, all 3 and more have showed they still have the ability to go in the ring. You act like they all need to have oxygen masks brought to the ring and are like Jimmy Snuka or Iron Sheik in the indy scene. 