BREAKING NEWZ!!11: TNA HIRES CHRIS MASTERS

[AriadosMan]

Disclaimer: I actually like the idea of hiring Booker. He's very charismatic and a good wrestler. It's TNA's tendency to give significant time/money to relatively blah ex-WWE talent (VKM is probably the best example) that made me use the "desperation" remark. TNA have plenty of wrestlers who could become very over if given the opportunities that TNA tends to squander on overpriced "names" like Rikishi, Test, and (although he never actually wrestled) Pacman Jones.

[Limey]

erisi236 said:

Kaz wrestled a few matches in WWE, that must be why they're pushing him now.

Is that a serious statement?

[ddt]

withteeth said:

ddt said:

I'll certainly give you that; there's no argument there. But the way people go on and on and on about TNA hiring 'WWE guys' and not knowing what to do with them is a little unfair.

Yes, I agree with you that a lot of times TNA seems to go for the shock value (coughRUSSOcough) effect by hiring guys newly gone from the WWE; but some signings are really good for the company -- Christian tops the list, along with Angle, Team 3D (who perhaps have overstayed their welcome now), Rhyno, Raven and possibly Booker T.

But McMahon can also be accused of the same shock value goal, though more often than not, he at least was able to do something with the guys he brought over. (Not always; i.e. Vader, Lex Luger)

As for not knowing what to do with these 'WWE imports', TNA can certainly be accused of dropping the ball with some of them; granted, there's not a whole lot you can do with guys like Rikishi or Test or Rhodes. But when they have done something good (i.e. Christian), it seems to be overlooked.

I guess my point is that it's gotten really old and tiring to constantly hear how TNA is only signing 'WWE guys' for the shock value, and that TNA is always counted out before even getting a chance to do anything with these guys. Yet, no one doubts McMahon, despite his fumblings with guys like Vader, and his hair-brained characters for self-amusement, and his silly and pointless skits.

I am not saying that I approve of every move TNA makes -- I'll be the first to say that the younger talent needs more air time, more main event time, and more time to work with (and go over) the veterans -- but I just think it's time to cut the company some slack and let's see what it can do amid all of this negative feedback.

like i've said. TNA needs to stop worrying about WHO they are hiring. and they need to start worrying about their wrighting... they could hire GOD to a 10 year contract, and no one would watch if it wasn't compelling storylines.

Excellent point.

[I'm The Cool One]

limey said:

withteeth said:

and just to keep on subject...

you think the joke is getting old? i think the fact that they keep hiring WWE guys to try and get themselves over is REALLY old. they need to make new stars, not use recycled stars

Stars like Kazarian, Robert Roode and the Motor City Machine Guns?

All getting their due at Genesis.

And please understand that Masters is not yet being picked up. That was a joke.

oh i understand that.

but since when have TNA made MCMG look good? i mean, when was their last televised match? the last time they got the upper hand was because the whole x-division helped them...

i'm definately glad to see Kaz and Roode getting pushed... thats a good thing. and lets all hope and pray that they don't hire masters, because if they did, something tells me Kaz would be masters lunch meat on impact.

[lildude8218]

*upon hearing that Chris Masters has been fired, Dutch Mantell leaps from his chair to get to a phone, he trips and the chair falls ontop of him trapping him there*

Dutch: HELPP!!!!! HELPPP!!!!

Jeremy Borash: Oh my God, Dutch! Let me get this off of you

Dutch: NO TIME! You must....sign Chris Masters! *passes out from the pain*

[I'm The Cool One]

limey said:

erisi236 said:

Kaz wrestled a few matches in WWE, that must be why they're pushing him now.

Is that a serious statement?

i think the tongue out smilie kinda says that it's not, lol

[poi zen rana]

realfakerazor said:

Disclaimer: I actually like the idea of hiring Booker. He's very charismatic and a good wrestler. It's TNA's tendency to give significant time/money to relatively blah ex-WWE talent (VKM is probably the best example) that made me use the "desperation" remark. TNA have plenty of wrestlers who could become very over if given the opportunities that TNA tends to squander on overpriced "names" like Rikishi, Test, and (although he never actually wrestled) Pacman Jones.

how much time do you think is spent on vkm? honestly they are an extremely minuscule part of tna currently, their primary use these days is as managers for nikki roxx. what opportunities were rikishi and test given that are so much better than what tna guys get?

[Limey]

withteeth said:

limey said:

Is that a serious statement?

i think the tongue out smilie kinda says that it's not, lol

Ok...sorry 'bout that. Just seriously couldn't tell.

[I'm The Cool One]

poisonrana said:

realfakerazor said:

Disclaimer: I actually like the idea of hiring Booker. He's very charismatic and a good wrestler. It's TNA's tendency to give significant time/money to relatively blah ex-WWE talent (VKM is probably the best example) that made me use the "desperation" remark. TNA have plenty of wrestlers who could become very over if given the opportunities that TNA tends to squander on overpriced "names" like Rikishi, Test, and (although he never actually wrestled) Pacman Jones.

how much time do you think is spent on vkm? honestly they are an extremely minuscule part of tna currently, their primary use these days is as managers for nikki roxx. what opportunities were rikishi and test given that are so much better than what tna guys get?

the point is. TNA should really make new stars. yeah they've done well as of late with kaz and roode. but when a majority of your main event you cuold have easily seen on usa working the midcard during RAW is WAR... thats not cool. ya know?

nothing aginst christian. i think he is one of the few great signings by TNA...

[poi zen rana]

withteeth said:

poisonrana said:

how much time do you think is spent on vkm? honestly they are an extremely minuscule part of tna currently, their primary use these days is as managers for nikki roxx. what opportunities were rikishi and test given that are so much better than what tna guys get?

the point is. TNA should really make new stars. yeah they've done well as of late with kaz and roode. but when a majority of your main event you cuold have easily seen on usa working the midcard during RAW is WAR... thats not cool. ya know?

nothing aginst christian. i think he is one of the few great signings by TNA...

that is the point. the wwe guys that actually do take up a bit of time are christian, angle, and team 3d for the most part now. as far as christian and angle go, people can say they picked those guys up hoping for an immediate ratings boost but the fact is they are both great workers. there is a reason they were in the wwe. they are really good at what they do. why wouldn't tna use them at the top of the card? do you really think it is just because they worked in the wwe? i don't. i think they are there because they are very skilled workers, in all aspects of the game.

that would leave team 3d who i am not to into, but they are really good at getting the fans angry. that is something they can still do very well. they may not be as good in the ring anymore but that is why i sort of enjoy the fact that they use chairs and tables often. they are being played to their strengths, and while sloppy at times can still be enjoyable. the big point about them however, is they put tons of people over. so while not as good as the other two big wwe names, they put way more people over.

[I'm The Cool One]

but when you hire a handfull of guys who are more than halfway into their careers, then you've only got a few years untill they are gone or just plain stale... and if you're not using those already established guys to build up new talent, then when those guys go stale and start retiring, then what are you left with? a weak looking group of guys who were beaten time and time again by the team 3d's of the world.

[poi zen rana]

withteeth said:

but when you hire a handfull of guys who are more than halfway into their careers, then you've only got a few years untill they are gone or just plain stale... and if you're not using those already established guys to build up new talent, then when those guys go stale and start retiring, then what are you left with? a weak looking group of guys who were beaten time and time again by the team 3d's of the world.

that time hasn't come yet. unless you have a crystal ball and see that no one is ever elevated by the time kurt and christian can't hang in the ring i would say you are just speculating. kurt is still pulling out new moves, and puts on great matches. just because he has been working with sting for a few months does not mean they will not elevate anybody young to the main event scene.

i would seriously not be surprised to see kaz win the fftr tournament and face kurt.

[I'm The Cool One]

poisonrana said:

withteeth said:

but when you hire a handfull of guys who are more than halfway into their careers, then you've only got a few years untill they are gone or just plain stale... and if you're not using those already established guys to build up new talent, then when those guys go stale and start retiring, then what are you left with? a weak looking group of guys who were beaten time and time again by the team 3d's of the world.

that time hasn't come yet. unless you have a crystal ball and see that no one is ever elevated by the time kurt and christian can't hang in the ring i would say you are just speculating. kurt is still pulling out new moves, and puts on great matches. just because he has been working with sting for a few months does not mean they will not elevate anybody to the main event scene.

it takes alot more than just one program to really make someone a big enough star to run a company around... if they wait too damn long, then they're going to be too late...

my fear is that TNA will continue to go with the "if it aint broke dont fix it" ideal and when their current former WWE main eventers are done and gone, they'll just go back to the "talent" pool and hire more... they'll never ever become competition with that attitude.

[brian]

realfakerazor said:

ddt said:

Fair enough. But the WWE hired a lot of WCW guys (before McMahon bought the company), yet no one is bashing Vince repeatedly over it.

WWE didn't constantly push the WCW newcomers at the expense of his own guys, though. Most storylines in that period were pretty Austin and Rock centric.

When you constantly push anyone from another fed like TNA does for a cheap pop, it smacks of desperation.

And Austin was a former (fired, no less) WCW guy. As was Mick Foley, Ron Simmons, LOD, Dustin Rhodes, Sid, Brian Pillman, etc during the Attitude era. All of whom were pushed pretty heavily.

More recently you have Rey Mysterio, Booker T, Finlay, Jamie Noble, Chuck Palumbo, Torrie Wilson, Jimmy Wang Yang, Chavo Guerrero, Gregory Helms, etc. They all came from WCW and many have been pushed pretty heavily. That doesn't even take into account those that spent time in ECW.

Hell, Trevor Murdoch, Jeff Hardy, Brian Kendrick, Paul London, Mickie James, Umaga, Jimmy Wang Yang, Monty Brown, and CM Punk all had stints in TNA before joining (or rejoining) the WWE.

The whole argument is silly. As long as there is more than one company, there will be talent swaps. If the company see value in them, they will be pushed how the company sees fit. End of story.

[MCMGM]

Did I miss something?

[I'm The Cool One]

brian said:

realfakerazor said:

WWE didn't constantly push the WCW newcomers at the expense of his own guys, though. Most storylines in that period were pretty Austin and Rock centric.

When you constantly push anyone from another fed like TNA does for a cheap pop, it smacks of desperation.

And Austin was a former (fired, no less) WCW guy. As was Mick Foley, Ron Simmons, LOD, Dustin Rhodes, Sid, Brian Pillman, etc during the Attitude era. All of whom were pushed pretty heavily.

More recently you have Rey Mysterio, Booker T, Finlay, Jamie Noble, Chuck Palumbo, Torrie Wilson, Jimmy Wang Yang, Chavo Guerrero, Gregory Helms, etc. They all came from WCW and many have been pushed pretty heavily. That doesn't even take into account those that spent time in ECW.

Hell, Trevor Murdoch, Jeff Hardy, Brian Kendrick, Paul London, Mickie James, Umaga, Jimmy Wang Yang, Monty Brown, and CM Punk all had stints in TNA before joining (or rejoining) the WWE.

The whole argument is silly. As long as there is more than one company, there will be talent swaps. If the company see value in them, they will be pushed how the company sees fit. End of story.

the problem is, TNA are pushing former WWE guys AT THE EXPENSE OF THEIR OWN HOMEGROWN GUYS. thats the kind of attitude that cause WCW to go under. they arent making new stars, they're pushing guys who have for the most part lived out their peak and are now on the decline.

[poi zen rana]

withteeth said:

poisonrana said:

that time hasn't come yet. unless you have a crystal ball and see that no one is ever elevated by the time kurt and christian can't hang in the ring i would say you are just speculating. kurt is still pulling out new moves, and puts on great matches. just because he has been working with sting for a few months does not mean they will not elevate anybody to the main event scene.

it takes alot more than just one program to really make someone a big enough star to run a company around... if they wait too damn long, then they're going to be too late...

my fear is that TNA will continue to go with the "if it aint broke dont fix it" ideal and when their current former WWE main eventers are done and gone, they'll just go back to the "talent" pool and hire more... they'll never ever become competition with that attitude.

maybe we are thinking differently but i don't see kurt and christian retiring in the next few months. they have time. remember that the last real main event feud was joe and kurt in which kurt had to cheat to beat joe in the last match. then the mini feud with abyss, which included abyss kicking out of the angle slam and pinning kurt cleanly. it is not as though they never have any home grown talent in the main event. they have time, and they do use home grown talent in the main event. it is not that bad.

[Mr. Mediocre]

shannonfans said:

Did I miss something?

You missed an unfunny joke.

Also you apparently missed that Chris Masters was released by the WWE, creating the basis for said unfunny joke.

I calls em as I sees em, Decker!

[I'm The Cool One]

poisonrana said:

withteeth said:

it takes alot more than just one program to really make someone a big enough star to run a company around... if they wait too damn long, then they're going to be too late...

my fear is that TNA will continue to go with the "if it aint broke dont fix it" ideal and when their current former WWE main eventers are done and gone, they'll just go back to the "talent" pool and hire more... they'll never ever become competition with that attitude.

maybe we are thinking differently but i don't see kurt and christian retiring in the next few months. they have time. remember that the last real main event feud was joe and kurt in which kurt had to cheat to beat joe in the last match. then the mini feud with abyss, which included abyss kicking out of the angle slam and pinning kurt cleanly. it is not as though they never have any home grown talent in the main event. they have time, and they do use home grown talent in the main event. it is not that bad.

few months? no (at least not christian... angle i honestly COULD see retiring sooner than later) but few years... it takes alot to make someone a star... unfortunately, using old WWE guys who are past their prime to beat them isnt part of making a star.

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I'm no longer going to argue about something that has no real basis of truth...have fun fellas! ;D