BREAKING NEWZ!!11: TNA HIRES CHRIS MASTERS

[erisi236]

Don't forget Jay Lethal over Kurt 100% clean as well.

Also Joe over Christian just recently, though I don't even count Christian as a "WWE Guy" anymore, your mileage may vary.

[Michael Coello]

[lame comback] At least TNA would put Chris Masters in a sombero![/lame comback]

Yeah, the whole "Everyone WWE fires gets hired by TNA" comment, along with the "Death of TNA fills a pamplet" joke is getting old.

[I'm The Cool One]

erisi236 said:

Don't forget Jay Lethal over Kurt 100% clean as well.

Also Joe over Christian just recently, though I don't even count Christian as a "WWE Guy" anymore, your mileage may vary.

yeah but then lethal was jobbed out easy as pie the following impact.

[Psy]

I forgot about Christy Hemme, Gail Kim, what's-her-face (one that married Charlie Haas), and some others.

My point is that they are taking up time from the homegrown TNA guys. Oh, they don't take up much time? That's still taking up the time that could be spent building up their own people. It's just ridiculous.

I don't hate TNA, but sometimes I hate how they do things.

[erisi236]

withteeth said:

erisi236 said:

Don't forget Jay Lethal over Kurt 100% clean as well.

Also Joe over Christian just recently, though I don't even count Christian as a "WWE Guy" anymore, your mileage may vary.

yeah but then lethal was jobbed out easy as pie the following impact.

Ah, but it was to a "home grown guy" who he later went on to beat at on PPV.

[Michael Coello]

withteeth said:

erisi236 said:

Don't forget Jay Lethal over Kurt 100% clean as well.

Also Joe over Christian just recently, though I don't even count Christian as a "WWE Guy" anymore, your mileage may vary.

yeah but then lethal was jobbed out easy as pie the following impact.

Easy as pie=8-10 minute match after mild interference by 2 of Daniel's running buddies?

[poi zen rana]

withteeth said:

poisonrana said:

maybe we are thinking differently but i don't see kurt and christian retiring in the next few months. they have time. remember that the last real main event feud was joe and kurt in which kurt had to cheat to beat joe in the last match. then the mini feud with abyss, which included abyss kicking out of the angle slam and pinning kurt cleanly. it is not as though they never have any home grown talent in the main event. they have time, and they do use home grown talent in the main event. it is not that bad.

few months? no (at least not christian... angle i honestly COULD see retiring sooner than later) but few years... it takes alot to make someone a star... unfortunately, using old WWE guys who are past their prime to beat them isnt part of making a star.

oh i agree with you on that. using old talent to beat new talent isn't how you make them a star. however that is not what tna does. they do elevate people by having them beat kurt and christian. it does happen. everyone wants to complain that a wwe broke joe's streak but how many people praised tna when joe ended a wwe guy's streak? everyone wants to complain about vkm beating mcmgs after vkm were being dominated for the whole match, but how often do you hear about mcmgs getting their revenge and eliminating vkm from the number one contendership match? they DO put the younger guys over the older guys. just because it isn't talked about as much doesn't mean it doesn't happen. they are building up people. joe may have lost some momentum for losing to angle but they gave it right back to him by having him be the first man to cleanly beat christian.

[poi zen rana]

sinister1 said:

withteeth said:

yeah but then lethal was jobbed out easy as pie the following impact.

Easy as pie=8-10 minute match after mild interference by 2 of Daniel's running buddies?

exactly! don't you love it when people say that the interference in this match wasn't enough and lethal jobbed cleanly, but any other time some one out side the ring talks to someone in the ring it is a dirty finish?

[I'm The Cool One]

poisonrana said:

withteeth said:

few months? no (at least not christian... angle i honestly COULD see retiring sooner than later) but few years... it takes alot to make someone a star... unfortunately, using old WWE guys who are past their prime to beat them isnt part of making a star.

oh i agree with you on that. using old talent to beat new talent isn't how you make them a star. however that is not what tna does. they do elevate people by having them beat kurt and christian. it does happen. everyone wants to complain that a wwe broke joe's streak but how many people praised tna when joe ended a wwe guy's streak? everyone wants to complain about vkm beating mcmgs after vkm were being dominated for the whole match, but how often do you hear about mcmgs getting their revenge and eliminating vkm from the number one contendership match? they DO put the younger guys over the older guys. just because it isn't talked about as much doesn't mean it doesn't happen. they are building up people. joe may have lost some momentum for losing to angle but they gave it right back to him by having him be the first man to cleanly beat christian.

we're just going to have to watch and see how it turns out. then exchange ideas a few years down the road, lol. it just dosent look to me like they're trying to build new stars as hard as they could be. but who really knows. thats so far into the future that its useless to discuss it now. we'll just have to sit it out and hope that TNA has the right idea...

[i.Sarita.com]

Are Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Homicide, and Senshi considered "TNA Homegrown" talents? What about Ring of Honor?

It's not like TNA has a developmental promotion or an academy that produces new wrestlers every month...everyone in TNA HAD to come from some other company...The four I mentioned had tremendous success in ROH before coming to TNA, so why are they considered to be homegrown? I don't get it...

[Mr. Mediocre]

highroadheaven said:

Are Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Homicide, and Senshi considered "TNA Homegrown" talents? What about Ring of Honor?

It's not like TNA has a developmental promotion or an academy that produces new wrestlers every month...everyone in TNA HAD to come from some other company...The four I mentioned had tremendous success in ROH before coming to TNA, so why are they considered to be homegrown? I don't get it...

While I do agree that all four were ROH guys, I would point out that ROH doesn't and didn't have a national TV deal. Though they came into their own in Ring of Honor, many more fans got their first exposure to those guys in TNA than they did in ROH.

[Dragonfly]

People seem to underestimate the impact of Jeff Jarrett's family tragedy had on TNA. You can't have your head writer be preoccupied with something of that magnitude and pretend that everything is normal. The product will take a hit. Pushing the veterans on the roster was TNA throwing the company into auto-pilot, as far as I'm concerned. After all, these guys (Sting, Russo, Angle, Christian, 3D, Steiners) know what they're doing to an extent. They all have been on that level before. Now that Jarrett is back (and has worked everything out with Kurt Angle), the "homegrown" pushes are coming back.

Oh... and about the "ex-WWE" comments: why should it matter where they came from? If they have something to offer, they should be welcomed in.

[i.Sarita.com]

ariata said:

People seem to underestimate the impact of Jeff Jarrett's family tragedy had on TNA. You can't have your head writer be preoccupied with something on that magnitude and pretend that everything is normal. The product will take a hit. Pushing the veterans on the roster was TNA throwing the company into auto-pilot, as far as I'm concerned. After all, these guys (Sting, Russo, Angle, Christian, 3D, Steiners) know what they're doing to an extent. They all have been on that level before. Now that Jarrett is back (and has worked everything out with Kurt Angle), the "homegrown" pushes are coming back.

Oh... and about the "ex-WWE" comments: why should it matter where they came from? If they have something to offer, they should be welcomed in.

Things did seem to go from "On the right track" to "In the same old rut" right around when the Jarrett's family trouble started...

[I'm The Cool One]

ariata said:

People seem to underestimate the impact of Jeff Jarrett's family tragedy had on TNA. You can't have your head writer be preoccupied with something on that magnitude and pretend that everything is normal. The product will take a hit. Pushing the veterans on the roster was TNA throwing the company into auto-pilot, as far as I'm concerned. After all, these guys (Sting, Russo, Angle, Christian, 3D, Steiners) know what they're doing to an extent. They all have been on that level before. Now that Jarrett is back (and has worked everything out with Kurt Angle), the "homegrown" pushes are coming back.

Oh... and about the "ex-WWE" comments: why should it matter where they came from? If they have something to offer, they should be welcomed in.

welcomed, yes.

pushed to the moon based on nothing other than the place they came from. no

makes TNA as a stand alone company look weak.

"were so excited to get angle that were going to put the belt on him!!!"

[MCMGM]

explodinglimo said:

shannonfans said:

Did I miss something?

You missed an unfunny joke.

Also you apparently missed that Chris Masters was released by the WWE, creating the basis for said unfunny joke.

I calls em as I sees em, Decker!

I knew about Masters getting the axe, was just confused on this.

[Michael Coello]

withteeth said:

ariata said:

People seem to underestimate the impact of Jeff Jarrett's family tragedy had on TNA. You can't have your head writer be preoccupied with something on that magnitude and pretend that everything is normal. The product will take a hit. Pushing the veterans on the roster was TNA throwing the company into auto-pilot, as far as I'm concerned. After all, these guys (Sting, Russo, Angle, Christian, 3D, Steiners) know what they're doing to an extent. They all have been on that level before. Now that Jarrett is back (and has worked everything out with Kurt Angle), the "homegrown" pushes are coming back.

Oh... and about the "ex-WWE" comments: why should it matter where they came from? If they have something to offer, they should be welcomed in.

welcomed, yes.

pushed to the moon based on nothing other than the place they came from. no

makes TNA as a stand alone company look weak.

"were so excited to get angle that were going to put the belt on him!!!"

So, they pushed angle just cause he was from WWE.

Not the 6 world titles he won, neither his position on the card as an upper-midcard/main eventer for the last few years of his run, or even his 8 years in the business? Plus, his knack to give good-great matches for most of his run?

[poi zen rana]

withteeth said:

ariata said:

People seem to underestimate the impact of Jeff Jarrett's family tragedy had on TNA. You can't have your head writer be preoccupied with something on that magnitude and pretend that everything is normal. The product will take a hit. Pushing the veterans on the roster was TNA throwing the company into auto-pilot, as far as I'm concerned. After all, these guys (Sting, Russo, Angle, Christian, 3D, Steiners) know what they're doing to an extent. They all have been on that level before. Now that Jarrett is back (and has worked everything out with Kurt Angle), the "homegrown" pushes are coming back.

Oh... and about the "ex-WWE" comments: why should it matter where they came from? If they have something to offer, they should be welcomed in.

welcomed, yes.

pushed to the moon based on nothing other than the place they came from. no

makes TNA as a stand alone company look weak.

"were so excited to get angle that were going to put the belt on him!!!"

you act like they should have used kurt as a midcarder or something. i am sorry but kurt angle belongs in the main event. it would have been much stupider, at least to me, for him to come in and get beaten by everyone and be some random talent floating around.

why do you think that the only reason he is pushed is because he worked in the wwe? why did the wwe push him then?

[I'm The Cool One]

okay my example was taken too literally...
nevermind that.

again, this could be argued for days to come... or we could just see how it goes.

[kittylimits]

Is it really that bad that a released WWE guy has some place else to go to work the living that they've trained for so long for?

[Michael Coello]

withteeth said:

okay my example was taken too literally...
nevermind that.

again, this could be argued for days to come... or we could just see how it goes.

Who exactly has gotten pushes for being WWE guys?

Guys like VKM & Dustin Rhodes are mostly stuck in the midcard, and haven't won any belts during their appearances. The Tag Titles and X Belt have usually been won by "young talent". The World title has more veteran guys in it, and it's guys like Sting, Christian Cage, Kurt Angle, and a few others.