BREAKING NEWZ!!11: TNA HIRES CHRIS MASTERS

[lildude8218]

sinister1 said:

along with the "Death of TNA fills a pamplet" joke is getting old.

I made that joke about 3 days ago, it's hardly old.

[Michael Coello]

lildude8218 said:

sinister1 said:

along with the "Death of TNA fills a pamplet" joke is getting old.

I made that joke about 3 days ago, it's hardly old.

You know you don't control all comedy & jokes in the world, do ya?

Seriously, though, that was not the first time I saw that comment. Not by a long shot. I've seen it at last 5 or 6 times.

[Kevin Hamilton]

At any rate, it's smart to acquire new talent, whether that means misusing your 'homegrown' guys is debatable, but it makes sense to expand the roster and hopefully the cream will rise to the top of both 'your' guys and the influx of 'other' guys, and all the rest can form a solid midcard. I see no fault with TNA picking up guys, especially established names who might resonate with fans based on recognition. Granted, ideally, they'll also be talented names.

[lildude8218]

sinister1 said:

lildude8218 said:

I made that joke about 3 days ago, it's hardly old.

You know you don't control all comedy & jokes in the world, do ya?

Seriously, though, that was not the first time I saw that comment. Not by a long shot. I've seen it at last 5 or 6 times.

*whispers*

I've been saying that joke for about 3 years, it was probably me

[i.Sarita.com]

kittylimits said:

Is it really that bad that a released WWE guy has some place else to go to work the living that they've trained for so long for?

Apparently it is....in TNA's case that is...

[EJS]

This is one horrible pointless thread.

[plushtar]

psychotideman said:

The joke is sad because it's so true. Look at them all: Rhyno, Christian, Angle, Rikishi, Heart Throbs, VKM, Dudleyz + Spike, Tomko.... I know I'm probably missing more, too.

Dudleyz & Rhino are not that bad. Angle is good. Christian is great and so is Tomko. After doing a bit of research, I find that the label "reject" only applies to a few hacks (Test, Rikishi, letsa say VKM). Master is still young, he has many years to redeem himself. If forgot about the women. Gail Kim has also been a great investment. Hemme is actually a full-time wrestler now.

I'm curious, are Roxxi and Kong homegrown talent since or does Shimmer not exist?

[humorousled]

Why would TNA or anyone else want Chris Masters? He was never a solid or even an average worker in the ring and got by with only his physique alone. Plus, he was only pushed by Vince because of his physique and Vince loves big guys and bodybuilders. He had no real mike skills and his finisher was a joke. I hope that I never see him again in the ring. I won't miss him at all.

[Welfare Willis]

humorousled said:

Why would TNA or anyone else want Chris Masters? He was never a solid or even an average worker in the ring and got by with only his physique alone. Plus, he was only pushed by Vince because of his physique and Vince loves big guys and bodybuilders. He had no real mike skills and his finisher was a joke. I hope that I never see him again in the ring. I won't miss him at all.

First off, I agree with your last two sentences. Yet I could see TNA hiring him just to try and pull another one of those, "OMG! is that? Could that be?" moments.

[erisi236]

This actually kind of reminds me of the "TNA in talks with 11 WWE Superstars" thread of a few weeks ago.

[hollywood]

Boy, this little joke blossomed into a full grown debate that's been had a millions times already. I'll just refrain since everyone probably knows where I stand anyway.

[Michael Coello]

korngold said:

humorousled said:

Why would TNA or anyone else want Chris Masters? He was never a solid or even an average worker in the ring and got by with only his physique alone. Plus, he was only pushed by Vince because of his physique and Vince loves big guys and bodybuilders. He had no real mike skills and his finisher was a joke. I hope that I never see him again in the ring. I won't miss him at all.

First off, I agree with your last two sentences. Yet I could see TNA hiring him just to try and pull another one of those, "OMG! is that? Could that be?" moments.

When TNA usually gets guys, they usually fall into 4 categories

1) People who were huge in WWE the minute they left (Cage, Angle, etc.)

2)People who had some kind of success during the hottest part of wrestling, big or small (D'Lo, Dustin, VKM, Kevin Nash, etc.)

3) People who get recommendations to come in from other people (Matt Morgan, Tomko)

4)One Shots/Limited Appearances (Kanyon, Justin Credible, Heart Throbs, Joey Mercury, Test, etc.)

Only thing Masters can fall into would be the last one.

[Mozenrath]

sinister1 said:

korngold said:

First off, I agree with your last two sentences. Yet I could see TNA hiring him just to try and pull another one of those, "OMG! is that? Could that be?" moments.

When TNA usually gets guys, they usually fall into 4 categories

1) People who were huge in WWE the minute they left (Cage, Angle, etc.)

2)People who had some kind of success during the hottest part of wrestling, big or small (D'Lo, Dustin, VKM, Kevin Nash, etc.)

3) People who get recommendations to come in from other people (Matt Morgan, Tomko)

4)One Shots/Limited Appearances (Kanyon, Justin Credible, Heart Throbs, Joey Mercury, Test, etc.)

Only thing Masters can fall into would be the last one.

Well, we don't know that he wouldn't get a recommendation.

[metylerca]

This is the pro-TNA part of the debate i'm assuming, the other half is in the Booker-Spoilers thread.

Seriously though, the truth has been said, TNA markz will never give into what wrestling fans try to tell this is the real truth, they'll just defend everything until it turns into childs play. On the other hand, there's people who morbidly want TNA to go out of business; and will analyze everything they do.
My opinions been stated, but I will further. TNA is a good company, not WWE competition in the least, and not for years to come. When WWE acquired WCW guys, it was then WCW was relevant, as was WWE. TNA isn't relevant in the world of mainstream wrestling, according to the numbers at least. When TNA picks up an ex-WWE guy, most of the bashing of TNA for it is out of frustration that TNA already has the talent to be the best promotion, IMO; however, they don't use it like they should. Overbooking isn't being complained about as much as before, just in case anyone's noticed. But that really don't mean TNA does it less, it means that people have grown to see it.
TNA does look like bottom-dwellers when they sign Rikishi and Test and put them in main events or specialty matches right from the start. They could just as easily put a Frankie Kazarian or Christopher Daniels or even a Samoa Joe (QFT) into the main event as a top star, and possibly the champion; but for the most part, a guy who has worked for WWE will most likely be the champion. Before anyone tells this fan of wrestling that TNA is doing that for exposure, because guys like Kurt Angle and Christian and Booker-T are recognizable talents, remember that TNA is constantly getting 1.1 ratings, pretty much the same as Golden Girls reruns on Lifetime. If putting WWE talent over your own talent doesn't work, then why continue doing it, why not try something different and see if *that* works. It's not much better using an ex-WCW guy either (ie Sting, Steiners), because WCW went out of business while they were in it, that makes them damaged goods in my opinion, mainly because of the obvious statement, "if they were such a draw, then why did their previous company go under?" WCW ended in 2001, this is 2007, if its true that in 6 years, somehow, 4 or 5 different wrestlers did not get made into stars to the point where they'd at least be able to main event on the national level, then it says alot about where the writers, as well as wrestling itself stand. I bought AJ as champ, I bought Jarrett as champ, hell, I even considered Rhyno a good champion, though short, but when you actually take the time to look at how many TNA champions have tenured in WWE in the past few years or so, its sad.
I'll remind you that I like TNA, and I watch Impact all the time, but when an episode of Impact reminds me of an episode of Nitro from 1999 or 2000, I really get pissed off at the lack of chance the writing staff has taken, and just threw in 'established names' for 'ratings'.

-metylerca

[Psy]

plushtar said:

psychotideman said:

The joke is sad because it's so true. Look at them all: Rhyno, Christian, Angle, Rikishi, Heart Throbs, VKM, Dudleyz + Spike, Tomko.... I know I'm probably missing more, too.

Dudleyz & Rhino are not that bad. Angle is good. Christian is great and so is Tomko. After doing a bit of research, I find that the label "reject" only applies to a few hacks (Test, Rikishi, letsa say VKM). Master is still young, he has many years to redeem himself. If forgot about the women. Gail Kim has also been a great investment. Hemme is actually a full-time wrestler now.

I'm curious, are Roxxi and Kong homegrown talent since or does Shimmer not exist?

Dudleyz are terrible. They've been doing the same crap for years without the dedicated fanbase of a Hogan or Hart or Flair name to save them from staleness.

My point isn't that they are hacks so much as they are largely depicted as being inherently superior to current talent because they're coming from somewhere else. I don't like that. TNA doesn't need that, they have a very strong talent base.

[Michael Coello]

metylerca said:

This is the pro-TNA part of the debate i'm assuming, the other half is in the Booker-Spoilers thread.

Seriously though, the truth has been said, TNA markz will never give into what wrestling fans try to tell this is the real truth, they'll just defend everything until it turns into childs play. On the other hand, there's people who morbidly want TNA to go out of business; and will analyze everything they do.
My opinions been stated, but I will further. TNA is a good company, not WWE competition in the least, and not for years to come. When WWE acquired WCW guys, it was then WCW was relevant, as was WWE. TNA isn't relevant in the world of mainstream wrestling, according to the numbers at least. When TNA picks up an ex-WWE guy, most of the bashing of TNA for it is out of frustration that TNA already has the talent to be the best promotion, IMO; however, they don't use it like they should. Overbooking isn't being complained about as much as before, just in case anyone's noticed. But that really don't mean TNA does it less, it means that people have grown to see it.
TNA does look like bottom-dwellers when they sign Rikishi and Test and put them in main events or specialty matches right from the start. They could just as easily put a Frankie Kazarian or Christopher Daniels or even a Samoa Joe (QFT) into the main event as a top star, and possibly the champion; but for the most part, a guy who has worked for WWE will most likely be the champion. Before anyone tells this fan of wrestling that TNA is doing that for exposure, because guys like Kurt Angle and Christian and Booker-T are recognizable talents, remember that TNA is constantly getting 1.1 ratings, pretty much the same as Golden Girls reruns on Lifetime. If putting WWE talent over your own talent doesn't work, then why continue doing it, why not try something different and see if *that* works. It's not much better using an ex-WCW guy either (ie Sting, Steiners), because WCW went out of business while they were in it, that makes them damaged goods in my opinion, mainly because of the obvious statement, "if they were such a draw, then why did their previous company go under?" WCW ended in 2001, this is 2007, if its true that in 6 years, somehow, 4 or 5 different wrestlers did not get made into stars to the point where they'd at least be able to main event on the national level, then it says alot about where the writers, as well as wrestling itself stand. I bought AJ as champ, I bought Jarrett as champ, hell, I even considered Rhyno a good champion, though short, but when you actually take the time to look at how many TNA champions have tenured in WWE in the past few years or so, its sad.
I'll remind you that I like TNA, and I watch Impact all the time, but when an episode of Impact reminds me of an episode of Nitro from 1999 or 2000, I really get pissed off at the lack of chance the writing staff has taken, and just threw in 'established names' for 'ratings'.

-metylerca

First off, has everyone forgotten why Test & Fatu were brought in in the first place? Test got signed to side with Abyss & Sting to combat the element of Tomko for Cage & AJ. now, Tomko is a big guy, so I doubt a guy like Petey Williams or Kazarian has the same kind of quality. And I bet you Hoyt would get bombarded with "Monster with a Tramp Stamp" posts. Fatu, meanwhile, was brought in cause old Christian challenged any Samoan Joe could bring for a match. he was a Samoan, so he fit. I doubt Christopher Daniels has some samoan blood in him, and the same goes for pretty much any member of the roster. Did he stay too long? Sure. However, you can't bitch about them putting the guy in when he had the perfect entrance. Plus, I think the people that always complain about Fatu being in 3 main events forget about LAX being in 2 of them, along with XXX in the first, along with AJ Styles & Samoa Joe. Not to mention Robert Roode being on the other side of one of those matches.

Plus, I don't like the implication that iMPACT has gotten 1.1's every time since Spike. First off, they were getting 0.7's-0.8's when they first showed up, and got a bit better hwne Christian showed up. There was also a famous case of Sting causing a 1.1 rating when he first showed up on iMPACT. Then, as the times changed, the average grew up. Admittedly, Kurt hasn't raised ratings, but it's stupid to think that he's worthless as anything else.

[metylerca]

sinister1 said:

metylerca said:

This is the pro-TNA part of the debate i'm assuming, the other half is in the Booker-Spoilers thread.

Seriously though, the truth has been said, TNA markz will never give into what wrestling fans try to tell this is the real truth, they'll just defend everything until it turns into childs play. On the other hand, there's people who morbidly want TNA to go out of business; and will analyze everything they do.
My opinions been stated, but I will further. TNA is a good company, not WWE competition in the least, and not for years to come. When WWE acquired WCW guys, it was then WCW was relevant, as was WWE. TNA isn't relevant in the world of mainstream wrestling, according to the numbers at least. When TNA picks up an ex-WWE guy, most of the bashing of TNA for it is out of frustration that TNA already has the talent to be the best promotion, IMO; however, they don't use it like they should. Overbooking isn't being complained about as much as before, just in case anyone's noticed. But that really don't mean TNA does it less, it means that people have grown to see it.
TNA does look like bottom-dwellers when they sign Rikishi and Test and put them in main events or specialty matches right from the start. They could just as easily put a Frankie Kazarian or Christopher Daniels or even a Samoa Joe (QFT) into the main event as a top star, and possibly the champion; but for the most part, a guy who has worked for WWE will most likely be the champion. Before anyone tells this fan of wrestling that TNA is doing that for exposure, because guys like Kurt Angle and Christian and Booker-T are recognizable talents, remember that TNA is constantly getting 1.1 ratings, pretty much the same as Golden Girls reruns on Lifetime. If putting WWE talent over your own talent doesn't work, then why continue doing it, why not try something different and see if *that* works. It's not much better using an ex-WCW guy either (ie Sting, Steiners), because WCW went out of business while they were in it, that makes them damaged goods in my opinion, mainly because of the obvious statement, "if they were such a draw, then why did their previous company go under?" WCW ended in 2001, this is 2007, if its true that in 6 years, somehow, 4 or 5 different wrestlers did not get made into stars to the point where they'd at least be able to main event on the national level, then it says alot about where the writers, as well as wrestling itself stand. I bought AJ as champ, I bought Jarrett as champ, hell, I even considered Rhyno a good champion, though short, but when you actually take the time to look at how many TNA champions have tenured in WWE in the past few years or so, its sad.
I'll remind you that I like TNA, and I watch Impact all the time, but when an episode of Impact reminds me of an episode of Nitro from 1999 or 2000, I really get pissed off at the lack of chance the writing staff has taken, and just threw in 'established names' for 'ratings'.

-metylerca

First off, has everyone forgotten why Test & Fatu were brought in in the first place? Test got signed to side with Abyss & Sting to combat the element of Tomko for Cage & AJ. now, Tomko is a big guy, so I doubt a guy like Petey Williams or Kazarian has the same kind of quality. And I bet you Hoyt would get bombarded with "Monster with a Tramp Stamp" posts. Fatu, meanwhile, was brought in cause old Christian challenged any Samoan Joe could bring for a match. he was a Samoan, so he fit. I doubt Christopher Daniels has some samoan blood in him, and the same goes for pretty much any member of the roster. Did he stay too long? Sure. However, you can't bitch about them putting the guy in when he had the perfect entrance. Plus, I think the people that always complain about Fatu being in 3 main events forget about LAX being in 2 of them, along with XXX in the first, along with AJ Styles & Samoa Joe. Not to mention Robert Roode being on the other side of one of those matches.

Plus, I don't like the implication that iMPACT has gotten 1.1's every time since Spike. First off, they were getting 0.7's-0.8's when they first showed up, and got a bit better hwne Christian showed up. There was also a famous case of Sting causing a 1.1 rating when he first showed up on iMPACT. Then, as the times changed, the average grew up. Admittedly, Kurt hasn't raised ratings, but it's stupid to think that he's worthless as anything else.

I respect your opinion, fine sir.
I will admit ignorance to older Impact on Spike ratings, having only kept up with ratings for all shows since a little over a year ago.
My main point was to expose people to the idea that what TNA is trying to accomplish at the moment is obviously not working. There really won't be harm in pushing a true homegrown star for the title. If Monty Brown had never left, I'd easily push for him as champ. Kazarian is beginning a push, that I hope to see go places in the future, and thats a great thing. Yes, while Fatu was in main events featuring sure-fire talents, he was still in there. I'd rather see a big man who at least wanted to be there, no matter how much talent he lacked, than someone who's unmotivated and in it for the paycheck.
Also, while Fatu fit the Samoan Joe spot, I am sure they didn't have to even do that angle to begin with. It was made to accomodate his entrance in the company somewhat; otherwise they wouldn't have pushed him like they did.

-metylerca

[Chris Decker-The Wild Rover]

this thread went WAYYYYYYYYYY to long for a joke i made thinking this thread was gonna get locked.

[Kevin Hamilton]

lifeoftheparty said:

this thread went WAYYYYYYYYYY to long for a joke i made thinking this thread was gonna get locked.

Damn evil power mad mods, asleep at the wheel...


um, wait.

[Chris Decker-The Wild Rover]

no keep it open. this conversation has been intriguing non the less.