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Post by thestinger on Nov 13, 2007 18:13:08 GMT -5
Angle and Christian have been pushed to the moon, nobodies arguing that.
But you can't possibly think Rhino's been given a huge push in recent years.
His title reign was about 24 hours wasn't it?
Abyss' had a world title run within the past year tha was longer than both of Sting's put together.
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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 13, 2007 19:12:48 GMT -5
So the only way to get a push is if youre world champion. So Jeff Hardy has never had a push. Or Matt Hardy. Mr Perfect never got a push in the old WWF. Or Ted Dibiase or Rick Rude. Or Arn Anderson. Dynamite Kid never got a push. Owen Hart never got a push. The Road Warriors never got a push. Eddie Gilbert never got a push. Or The Faboulous Freebirds. No, theyve never gotten main event pushes because they werent given the title. Thats logic for ya. The only way to get a push is if you win the world title. Samoa Joe: Who beat Christian Cage clean in last months PPV and lost to Cage by cheating on TV and then cleanly beat another guy getting a huge push. Cant have Joe feud with Angle forever but you better believe he's a top 5 guy in the promotion. He'll be back wrestling for the world title soon enough. Robert Roode: Who was brought up to Samoa Joe's level, Joe was not brought down to his. If you believe that, then youre a victim of your own self fullfilling prophecy. If a TNA guy is hot and getting a push, does he need to feud with a brought in WWE guy to get higher up on the card? Or can now we have him do a mini feud with Joe where Joe beats him clean, but Roode looks strong and on his way up? No you would rather he feuds with Rikishi? AJ Styles: This guy is on TV all the time. His character is way over now, without being the babyface amazing athlete. And they are teasing a Christian-AJ Feud. Kaz - Who was in WWE for a minute, but a TNA made guy. He just beat Cage in the second to last match on the PPV in a ladder match. MotorCityMachineGuns - Who cleanly pinned the Dudleyz in the middle of the ring. Lots of TV time. Shirts are number one sellers. LAX - Although they didnt appear on the PPV, these guys have been on Impact main events, and are really over and being pushed to the top. Jay Lethal: It is a play on a classic character, but did that same play work with Austin Aries? No. Lethal got over with the character and is on TV every week and pushed. Abyss is constantly in feuds and on TV. Eric Young and James Storm are getting a ton of TV time now as well. None of those guys have been tna world champ in the last couple of years but Rhyno, Christian and Kurt Angle have, except Abyss who lost it pretty much straight away |
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Nov 13, 2007 20:36:15 GMT -5
First of all I love these people who dont watch TNA, and yet comment about whos getting pushed and whos not. Right now the biggest pushes are going to: Samoa Joe: Who beat Christian Cage clean in last months PPV and lost to Cage by cheating on TV and then cleanly beat another guy getting a huge push. Cant have Joe feud with Angle forever but you better believe he's a top 5 guy in the promotion. He'll be back wrestling for the world title soon enough. Robert Roode: Who was brought up to Samoa Joe's level, Joe was not brought down to his. If you believe that, then youre a victim of your own self fullfilling prophecy. If a TNA guy is hot and getting a push, does he need to feud with a brought in WWE guy to get higher up on the card? Or can now we have him do a mini feud with Joe where Joe beats him clean, but Roode looks strong and on his way up? No you would rather he feuds with Rikishi? AJ Styles: This guy is on TV all the time. His character is way over now, without being the babyface amazing athlete. And they are teasing a Christian-AJ Feud. Kaz - Who was in WWE for a minute, but a TNA made guy. He just beat Cage in the second to last match on the PPV in a ladder match. MotorCityMachineGuns - Who cleanly pinned the Dudleyz in the middle of the ring. Lots of TV time. Shirts are number one sellers. LAX - Although they didnt appear on the PPV, these guys have been on Impact main events, and are really over and being pushed to the top. Jay Lethal: It is a play on a classic character, but did that same play work with Austin Aries? No. Lethal got over with the character and is on TV every week and pushed. Abyss is constantly in feuds and on TV. Eric Young and James Storm are getting a ton of TV time now as well. Whos not getting a push? Rikishi: Gone Test: Gone Bob Backlund: Gone VKM: A support team for a female wrestler. Rhino: Which is unfortunate. And Team 3D and Black Reign, as often as they are on, job all the time. And as far as Nash, Hall, Booker T, and Angle being on? They deserve to be in the main event and deserve to be on the top because they have proven themselves over the years and are still major draws. I dont care for total nonstop angle either, but they are pushing the PPV main events to sell PPVs, and you best believe the Booker T thing worked for any real wrestling fan. So next time someone who doesnt watch TNA right now wants to comment about something they read on Forums and havent been watching lately, watch it, then comment. good job posting the information that supports your theory and leaving out the stuff that proves it wrong. |
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Nov 13, 2007 20:59:31 GMT -5
My thoughts on Angle being pushed to the Moon
Why the smurf not? this is Kurt freakin Angle regardless of the way hes booked he will give you great freaking main event quality matches. He's the brand name guy right now....being pushed as the super heel who acts goofy and will go as far as buying people porn to get his way.
On Christian Cage being a "mid-carder"
Angle is the top heel. Cage is the second top heel. Angle has the belt.
now usually you fued the face with the heel. Cage isnt a face. So he will face the other Main baby-faces (samoa joe/a homegrown pushed kaz) and have uber awesome matches with them.
On Samoa Joe mid-carding4lfye
they've given him evrything but the world title, they've even given him two tag belts. He cant be champion because they want to push angle over Joe. Apart from Angle who has joe really "jobbed" too.....anyone..... certainly not bobby roode (who btw was reciveing a push). I mean honestly think about this...Joe doesnt get the belt so it means hes a mid-carder doomed forever....Joe put over angle and thats about it. He can't keep fueding with Angle because its been done 4 times...and he was on pace to getting a title shot before roode screwed him....so he kicked roode's ass....so whats Joe doing now....read the spoilers and you will be happy.....(to all unhappy fans who dislike the way joe is being used in TNA).
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Post by thestinger on Nov 13, 2007 21:03:02 GMT -5
good job posting the information that supports your theory and leaving out the stuff that proves it wrong. If there's 'stuff that proves it wrong' then enlighten us. He explained why he feels the way he does, now it's your turn. |
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Post by hollywood on Nov 13, 2007 21:57:41 GMT -5
My thoughts on Angle being pushed to the Moon Why the smurf not? this is Kurt freakin Angle regardless of the way hes booked he will give you great freaking main event quality matches. He's the brand name guy right now....being pushed as the super heel who acts goofy and will go as far as buying people porn to get his way. Kurt didn't NEED to be pushed to the moon. He was already hella-over. TNA's insistance on revolving every PPV, every Impact, every segment, around him has gotten old. Fast. Hell, all I do is read the recaps, and I'm sick of him. And I was as big a Kurt fan as you'd find. I really have no opinion on this anymore. My only response to this is that regardless of how stellar this week's Impact is...for every great Impact, I hear and read about 3 or 4 subsequent bad ones. So you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath. |
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Post by thestinger on Nov 13, 2007 22:45:38 GMT -5
Kurt didn't NEED to be pushed to the moon. He was already hella-over. He was over with WWE fans. I had never seen him before, and I know two other TNA fans for which the same was true. You may have been as big a Kurt fan as anyone, but for fans who don't watch WWE, or hadn't in many years Kurt needed to be established for a TNA crowd. I knew just as much about Kurt Angle as I did about Andrew Martin, Fatu or Christian Cage. All of them were unknown to me, and each of them very quickly made a strong impression on me. I don't think I need to tell you which made positive impressions and which made negative impressions. My only response to this is that regardless of how stellar this week's Impact is...for every great Impact, I hear and read about 3 or 4 subsequent bad ones. So you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, even if it's an uninformed opinion. Four out of the six two hour impacts have been great. The other two were pretty bad unfortunately. That's my opinion and I've watched all of them. |
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Nov 13, 2007 23:39:49 GMT -5
My thoughts on Angle being pushed to the Moon Why the smurf not? this is Kurt freakin Angle regardless of the way hes booked he will give you great freaking main event quality matches. He's the brand name guy right now....being pushed as the super heel who acts goofy and will go as far as buying people porn to get his way. Kurt didn't NEED to be pushed to the moon. He was already hella-over. TNA's insistance on revolving every PPV, every Impact, every segment, around him has gotten old. Fast. Hell, all I do is read the recaps, and I'm sick of him. And I was as big a Kurt fan as you'd find. I really have no opinion on this anymore. My only response to this is that regardless of how stellar this week's Impact is...for every great Impact, I hear and read about 3 or 4 subsequent bad ones. So you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath. since i dont know how to break up the quote things ill give my counter responses this way. Ok so Kurt Angle comes into TNA, TNA management thinks that Kurt Angle himself IS the promotion so they try to bulid a product around him, by pushing him to the moon because the fans wanted to see angle. In doing so when they had 1 hour impacts it wasnt too pretty i'll admit even I couldnt really deal with some of those shows. However since the 2-hour impacts i've been able to handle the "total non-stop angle" which imo hasnt really been much of an issue, sure he gets the most time with those backstage segments....but im a angle mark and i enjoy when he talks about buying people porn  ....Angle is TNA's main draw so they chose to book him that way, at least he's a heel and doesnt have to deal with any of the John Cena style heat....which i doubt he'd get from the impact zone as a face. as for the impact comment.....i used to hate impact....then it got 2 hours now i look forward to TNA impact every thrusday....so the 2 hour slot worked for atleast one fan. to each his own i guess. |
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Post by metylerca on Nov 14, 2007 0:32:25 GMT -5
And he was already a major star thanks to his WWE tenure. True. But let's be honest, TNA would have been idiots to NOT hire Kurt Angle or Booker T when they became free agents. Did you see the crowd's reaction when Christian beat Jeff Jarrett clean to win the NWA World Heavyweight championship? Of course, I have kind of a weird perspective since I've never watched WWE. I'd never seen Christian or Angle before they debuted in TNA. Booker T. and Sting are like welcoming back old friends though. By stating u don't watch WWE, it kind of defeats the purpose of convincing you that WWE has any credibility as a promotion. |
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Post by I Graduated Warrior University on Nov 14, 2007 6:30:06 GMT -5
A little off topic I know...Regarding Samoa Joe: As much as I love the guy, if TNA wants to get ahead, the last thing they should do is push a guy who looks like this:  Sure the guy is amazing in the ring, but how many "Chain Gang Soldiers" are going to get behind a fat bloke who kicks people really hard? The guy needs to shed some weight and add a bit of muscle tone before you can market him to a worldwide audience. Sad, but true. |
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Post by Joker on Nov 14, 2007 6:53:30 GMT -5
I thought Team 3D were burying the X-Division ... then again perhaps I'm watching a different TNA to you.
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Post by comahan on Nov 14, 2007 7:22:18 GMT -5
Yes yes, everybody's buried.
Not like MCMG beat them clean on PPV. Or Lethal kicked both of their asses for five minutes before finally losing after 3D had to cheat.
But, like always, next time 3D grabs heat, everyone will scream about someone being buried, even though whoever they sneak attack, or run down on the mic or whatever, will get their revenge sooner or later.
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Post by x on Nov 14, 2007 7:32:18 GMT -5
AJ Styles is Tag Team Champion and on Impact every week. So? He was the face of the company in the early days. But once Christian started feuding with Jarrett, AJ had no room in the main event.
There's a big difference between a main event push and a tag title push.
When was the last time a guy grown from TNA was Heavyweight Champion? Abyss in 06. Before that?
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Post by comahan on Nov 14, 2007 7:53:03 GMT -5
Abyss was champ into 07. Just saying.
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Post by messiah on Nov 14, 2007 8:01:42 GMT -5
AJ Styles is Tag Team Champion and on Impact every week. So? He was the face of the company in the early days. But once Christian started feuding with Jarrett, AJ had no room in the main event. There's a big difference between a main event push and a tag title push. When was the last time a guy grown from TNA was Heavyweight Champion? Abyss in 06. Before that? You'd have to have been an idiot to push AJ Styles over Christian when Christian debuted in TNA. I honestly think some people are totally detached from reality. Oh, we just made the biggest signing in the history of our company...let's pull a Bret Hart in WCW, that'll be cool. To say nothing of the fact that as amazing as AJ is in the ring, his mic work just wasn't there yet at the time when Christian debuted. He was still in that uncomfortable, every promo is really intense place. He's mellowed improved by leaps and bounds. Not all talent is created equal, which is something people keep missing. When you're a young company, and you've got Christian, Angle and Booker T on your roster, you're going to make sure people know it. These are the guys that will sell your PPVs whether the IWC wants to believe it or not. If you look at the booking over the past few weeks, and even the most recent spoilers, TNA is pushing their young talent balls to the wall. I mean Kaz/Christian stole the night at Genesis, MCMG are the hottest team in the company, Samoa Joe remains solid as ever and I'm confident he'll be back in the main event soon, Robert Roode is being pushed -- I really don't know what people are complaining about. |
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Post by erisi236 on Nov 14, 2007 10:16:27 GMT -5
TNA: If someone isn't Champion, they're being buried.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 14, 2007 10:29:20 GMT -5
By stating u don't watch WWE, it kind of defeats the purpose of convincing you that WWE has any credibility as a promotion. I don't understand your point. I don't watch WWE, and that promotion has no credibility with me, with soap opera writers crafting stories about exploding limos and illegitimate children and whatnot. Have I been impressed with individual wrestlers like Angle and Christian who wrestled their entire careers there? Yes. But according to those two and many fans their talent was being wasted there. |
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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 14, 2007 10:31:41 GMT -5
Like? Instead of just saying that I left something out, how about you include what you think makes me wrong. I will be more than happy to debate it. First of all I love these people who dont watch TNA, and yet comment about whos getting pushed and whos not. Right now the biggest pushes are going to: Samoa Joe: Who beat Christian Cage clean in last months PPV and lost to Cage by cheating on TV and then cleanly beat another guy getting a huge push. Cant have Joe feud with Angle forever but you better believe he's a top 5 guy in the promotion. He'll be back wrestling for the world title soon enough. Robert Roode: Who was brought up to Samoa Joe's level, Joe was not brought down to his. If you believe that, then youre a victim of your own self fullfilling prophecy. If a TNA guy is hot and getting a push, does he need to feud with a brought in WWE guy to get higher up on the card? Or can now we have him do a mini feud with Joe where Joe beats him clean, but Roode looks strong and on his way up? No you would rather he feuds with Rikishi? AJ Styles: This guy is on TV all the time. His character is way over now, without being the babyface amazing athlete. And they are teasing a Christian-AJ Feud. Kaz - Who was in WWE for a minute, but a TNA made guy. He just beat Cage in the second to last match on the PPV in a ladder match. MotorCityMachineGuns - Who cleanly pinned the Dudleyz in the middle of the ring. Lots of TV time. Shirts are number one sellers. LAX - Although they didnt appear on the PPV, these guys have been on Impact main events, and are really over and being pushed to the top. Jay Lethal: It is a play on a classic character, but did that same play work with Austin Aries? No. Lethal got over with the character and is on TV every week and pushed. Abyss is constantly in feuds and on TV. Eric Young and James Storm are getting a ton of TV time now as well. Whos not getting a push? Rikishi: Gone Test: Gone Bob Backlund: Gone VKM: A support team for a female wrestler. Rhino: Which is unfortunate. And Team 3D and Black Reign, as often as they are on, job all the time. And as far as Nash, Hall, Booker T, and Angle being on? They deserve to be in the main event and deserve to be on the top because they have proven themselves over the years and are still major draws. I dont care for total nonstop angle either, but they are pushing the PPV main events to sell PPVs, and you best believe the Booker T thing worked for any real wrestling fan. So next time someone who doesnt watch TNA right now wants to comment about something they read on Forums and havent been watching lately, watch it, then comment. good job posting the information that supports your theory and leaving out the stuff that proves it wrong. |
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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 14, 2007 10:45:49 GMT -5
I watch WWE and boy is it borrrringgg. If TNA even tried to do a Hornswaggle being chased by Coachman and then Hornswaggle blowing up a bomb and Coachman coming out with his face all blackened. Imagine then? But WWE does it and its ok. Because theyre #1. America Smurf Ya! By stating u don't watch WWE, it kind of defeats the purpose of convincing you that WWE has any credibility as a promotion. I don't understand your point. I don't watch WWE, and that promotion has no credibility with me, with soap opera writers crafting stories about exploding limos and illegitimate children and whatnot. Have I been impressed with individual wrestlers like Angle and Christian who wrestled their entire careers there? Yes. But according to those two and many fans their talent was being wasted there. |
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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 14, 2007 11:04:14 GMT -5
Talk about brainwashed. Number #1: Chain gang Soilderz are children, women, and the occassional guy. They will root for whoever they are told to root for. If McMahon gave Hornswaggle the title and had HHH job for him, the same Chaing Gang Soilderz would think Hornswaggle is a superhuman midget and would do the same cheering. Number #2: Wrestling is all about being the Ultimate Warrior, or the biggest roided guy with the greatest body. Thats something McMahon taught in the 80's. Dusty Rhodes vs Ric Flair were filling stadiums in the 80's. But McMahon spent so much time brainwashing the fans into beleiving large muscles meant good wrestling. Now he's paying for it. Number #3: Hell yeah push him. And they have. I dont know where this idea they havent pushed him comes from. He's been in the majority of the main events in the last two years. He's on TV every week. He's jobbed maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 2 years. He's super over and in EVERY TNA media thing, he is included. Just makes no sense what people think being pushed is. A little off topic I know...Regarding Samoa Joe: As much as I love the guy, if TNA wants to get ahead, the last thing they should do is push a guy who looks like this: Sure the guy is amazing in the ring, but how many "Chain Gang Soldiers" are going to get behind a fat bloke who kicks people really hard? The guy needs to shed some weight and add a bit of muscle tone before you can market him to a worldwide audience. Sad, but true. |
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....Angle is TNA's main draw so they chose to book him that way, at least he's a heel and doesnt have to deal with any of the John Cena style heat....which i doubt he'd get from the impact zone as a face.
