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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 13, 2007 11:13:13 GMT -5
First of all I love these people who dont watch TNA, and yet comment about whos getting pushed and whos not. Right now the biggest pushes are going to:
Samoa Joe: Who beat Christian Cage clean in last months PPV and lost to Cage by cheating on TV and then cleanly beat another guy getting a huge push. Cant have Joe feud with Angle forever but you better believe he's a top 5 guy in the promotion. He'll be back wrestling for the world title soon enough.
Robert Roode: Who was brought up to Samoa Joe's level, Joe was not brought down to his. If you believe that, then youre a victim of your own self fullfilling prophecy. If a TNA guy is hot and getting a push, does he need to feud with a brought in WWE guy to get higher up on the card? Or can now we have him do a mini feud with Joe where Joe beats him clean, but Roode looks strong and on his way up? No you would rather he feuds with Rikishi?
AJ Styles: This guy is on TV all the time. His character is way over now, without being the babyface amazing athlete. And they are teasing a Christian-AJ Feud.
Kaz - Who was in WWE for a minute, but a TNA made guy. He just beat Cage in the second to last match on the PPV in a ladder match.
MotorCityMachineGuns - Who cleanly pinned the Dudleyz in the middle of the ring. Lots of TV time. Shirts are number one sellers.
LAX - Although they didnt appear on the PPV, these guys have been on Impact main events, and are really over and being pushed to the top.
Jay Lethal: It is a play on a classic character, but did that same play work with Austin Aries? No. Lethal got over with the character and is on TV every week and pushed.
Abyss is constantly in feuds and on TV. Eric Young and James Storm are getting a ton of TV time now as well.
Whos not getting a push?
Rikishi: Gone
Test: Gone
Bob Backlund: Gone
VKM: A support team for a female wrestler.
Rhino: Which is unfortunate.
And Team 3D and Black Reign, as often as they are on, job all the time.
And as far as Nash, Hall, Booker T, and Angle being on? They deserve to be in the main event and deserve to be on the top because they have proven themselves over the years and are still major draws. I dont care for total nonstop angle either, but they are pushing the PPV main events to sell PPVs, and you best believe the Booker T thing worked for any real wrestling fan.
So next time someone who doesnt watch TNA right now wants to comment about something they read on Forums and havent been watching lately, watch it, then comment.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 13, 2007 11:16:09 GMT -5
Losing one match at a PPV to TNA's hottest young tag team does not make Team 3D jobbers.
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Post by Kenny Brockelstein on Nov 13, 2007 11:16:34 GMT -5
Hall and Nash should no longer be wrestling main event matches for a national wrestling company IMO. Angle and Booker, I'll give you them. they still have a lot to offer in the ring.
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Post by comahan on Nov 13, 2007 11:16:59 GMT -5
Losing one match at a PPV to TNA's hottest young tag team does not make Team 3D jobbers. But losing 99% of their PPV matches does (well, i hate the term jobber, whatever.. they always lose). And thats what 3D has done in the last year. All their heat comes from out of ring stuff and interviews. Not wins. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 13, 2007 11:19:14 GMT -5
But losing 99% of their PPV matches does (well, i hate the term jobber, whatever.. they always lose). And thats what 3D has done in the last year. All their heat comes from out of ring stuff and interviews. Not wins. It was their interviews that got them so much fan heat in ECW, why should they be different in TNA? |
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Post by comahan on Nov 13, 2007 11:20:29 GMT -5
But losing 99% of their PPV matches does (well, i hate the term jobber, whatever.. they always lose). And thats what 3D has done in the last year. All their heat comes from out of ring stuff and interviews. Not wins. It was their interviews that got them so much fan heat in ECW, why should they be different in TNA? Im not saying its a bad thing. Im one of the few that love 3D. Great mic workers, great heat magnets, so on and so forth. |
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Nov 13, 2007 11:24:39 GMT -5
It was their interviews that got them so much fan heat in ECW, why should they be different in TNA? Im not saying its a bad thing. Im one of the few that love 3D. Great mic workers, great heat magnets, so on and so forth. I'm with you on this. I miss those Dudleyz. I remember watching the guy jump down from the second floor of the Ballroom cause he wanted to fight the Dudleys. The Dudleys are something right out of old Memphis wrestling. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 13, 2007 11:28:43 GMT -5
It's not a myth, but it's not that big a deal.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 13, 2007 11:29:13 GMT -5
Losing one match at a PPV to TNA's hottest young tag team does not make Team 3D jobbers. January 14, 2007 - TNA Final Resolution: LAX defeated Team 3-D by DQ when Brother Runt interfered to retain the Tag Team titles! January 18, 2007 - TNA iMPACT: LAX defeated Team 3-D (Brothers Ray & Devon) to retain the NWA World Tag Team titles February 12, 2007 - TNA Against All Odds: LAX (Homicide & Hernandez) defeated Team 3-D (Ray/Devon) in a Little Italy Street Fight.. March 11, 2007 - TNA Destination-X: LAX (w/Konnan & Machete) beated Team 3-D (w/Johnny Rodz) in a "Ghetto Brawl".. July 15, 2007 - TNA Victory Road: Samoa Joe & Kurt Angle defeated Team 3-D (Brothers Ray & Devon) in a Match of Champions.. September 9, 2007 - TNA No Surrender: Team 3-D participated in a Tag Team Gauntlet Match (won by Styles/Tomko).. August 12, 2007 - TNA Hard Justice: The Steiner Brothers defeated Team 3-D after a Doomsday Bulldog of the top rope.. October 14, 2007 - TNA Bound For Glory: The Steiners defeated Team 3-D in a 2/3 Tables Match with help from Sabin/Shelley.. those matches kind of help add credibility to the jobber statement. |
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Nov 13, 2007 12:07:05 GMT -5
It's not a myth, but it's not that big a deal. Agreed. |
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Post by hollywood on Nov 13, 2007 12:48:47 GMT -5
It's not a myth, but it's not that big a deal. Agreed. Exactly. It's certainly not a myth. Kurt Angle is proof of that, and Booker T probably will be, too. Perhaps blown out of proportion, if you like, but not a myth. |
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 13, 2007 13:01:35 GMT -5
Exactly. It's certainly not a myth. Kurt Angle is proof of that, and Booker T probably will be, too. Perhaps blown out of proportion, if you like, but not a myth. that is only if you think the only reason kurt is on top is because of his wwe experience which he isn't. he is there for the same reason he was on top in the wwe, he has great mic skills and puts on very entertaining matches making him a good person to have at the top of the company. |
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Post by hollywood on Nov 13, 2007 13:03:16 GMT -5
Exactly. It's certainly not a myth. Kurt Angle is proof of that, and Booker T probably will be, too. Perhaps blown out of proportion, if you like, but not a myth. that is only if you think the only reason kurt is on top is because of his wwe experience which he isn't. he is there for the same reason he was on top in the wwe, he has great mic skills and puts on very entertaining matches making him a good person to have at the top of the company. And he was already a major star thanks to his WWE tenure. |
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Nov 13, 2007 13:09:33 GMT -5
Exactly. It's certainly not a myth. Kurt Angle is proof of that, and Booker T probably will be, too. Perhaps blown out of proportion, if you like, but not a myth. No offense, but those are poor examples IMO. Angle and Booker should be viable main eventers wherever they go. They're two men who are pushed because of their talent and the bankability of their names, not because they came from WWE. And he was already a major star thanks to his WWE tenure. As was Booker when he first went to WWE. The same could be said about Ric Flair, Vader, Mick Foley, Jericho, the Radicalz and many others in WWE, and Hogan, Hall, Nash and many others in WCW. They're getting pushed because they're established and bankable. That's good business. What are they gonna do? Spend money to bring in a big name like Kurt Angle and then have him jerk the curtains? |
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Post by thestinger on Nov 13, 2007 13:12:31 GMT -5
And he was already a major star thanks to his WWE tenure. True. But let's be honest, TNA would have been idiots to NOT hire Kurt Angle or Booker T when they became free agents. Did you see the crowd's reaction when Christian beat Jeff Jarrett clean to win the NWA World Heavyweight championship? Of course, I have kind of a weird perspective since I've never watched WWE. I'd never seen Christian or Angle before they debuted in TNA. Booker T. and Sting are like welcoming back old friends though. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 13, 2007 13:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by hollywood on Nov 13, 2007 13:13:51 GMT -5
And he was already a major star thanks to his WWE tenure. True. But let's be honest, TNA would have been idiots to NOT hire Kurt Angle or Booker T when they became free agents. Did you see the crowd's reaction when Christian beat Jeff Jarrett clean to win the NWA World Heavyweight championship? Of course, I have kind of a weird perspective since I've never watched WWE. I'd never seen Christian or Angle before they debuted in TNA. Booker T. and Sting are like welcoming back old friends though. I'm not arguing for or against the pushing of Kurt, Sting, and others. I'm only saying that the notion that TNA pushes former WWE stars (big stars like Kurt or Christian) is not a myth. Blown out of proportion, perhaps, but not a myth. |
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Post by thestinger on Nov 13, 2007 14:24:08 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with being a "WWE" guy. More like being a big star in the business.
If you're a star in the business, TNA will likely give you a shot. Sting's a WCW guy. ECW guys like Sabu got pushes in TNA without having worked for WWE.
"Overblown" is an understatement.
People freak out each time the Hearthrobs or Joey Matthews get a tryout match with TNA. By the way none of those three have been offered contracts as of yet because TNA supposedly wasn't that impressed. That right there shoots down the theory that being former WWE makes you more valuable to TNA than home grown stars.
The 'tenures' of Andrew Martin and Fatu (fewer than 10 appearances combined) proves that TNA does NOT automatically sign former WWE stars. Bizarrely enough people use them to try to claim the opposite.
Not to pat myself on the back or anything, but if you'll recall, after I saw Fatu's first match, I said he would be gone VERY soon, and look what happened?
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Post by Blindkarevik on Nov 13, 2007 14:41:19 GMT -5
*runs in*
*YOU'RE* A MYTH!!!
*runs out*
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Post by hollywood on Nov 13, 2007 14:48:40 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with being a "WWE" guy. More like being a big star in the business. If you're a star in the business, TNA will likely give you a shot. Sting's a WCW guy. ECW guys like Sabu got pushes in TNA without having worked for WWE. "Overblown" is an understatement. People freak out each time the Hearthrobs or Joey Matthews get a tryout match with TNA. By the way none of those three have been offered contracts as of yet because TNA supposedly wasn't that impressed. That right there shoots down the theory that being former WWE makes you more valuable to TNA than home grown stars. The 'tenures' of Andrew Martin and Fatu (fewer than 10 appearances combined) proves that TNA does NOT automatically sign former WWE stars. Bizarrely enough people use them to try to claim the opposite. Not to pat myself on the back or anything, but if you'll recall, after I saw Fatu's first match, I said he would be gone VERY soon, and look what happened? Hey, like I said, I'm not denying that people may be overly critical of TNA for hiring a number of WWE stars. And I'm not arguing for or against their practices in this case--I thought I'd try to cut back for the moment. But I still think it's fair to say that "TNA pushes former WWE guys" is not a myth. Granted, had WCW survived instead and TNA were competing with them, it would be "TNA pushes former WCW guys" or whatever other promotion might've survived the "war." The fact that WWE's name is in that argument is just a matter of happenstance, yes, but it doesn't change my argument. It's still not a myth. Perhaps it should be a bit clearer, though, like "TNA pushes popular WWE guys." |
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