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Post by hollywood on Nov 16, 2007 11:58:57 GMT -5
Abyss reminds more more of early 90's Undertaker. A monster who's also a monster slayer. Taker had his clone, Mankind and Kane. Abyss has Black Reign, Crimson Blood (is that his name) and Judas Messias. Taker had his manager who turned on him and made his life hell. So does Abyss.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 16, 2007 12:03:02 GMT -5
The guys name is Rellik (Killer in reverse.) I didn't catch his match on impact, but I really liked this guy seven years ago as "Johnny the Bull" on WCW.
Let's hope he's still entertaining. By the way, I don't know if we'll ever see Judas again. TNA management might be pissed at the way they brought him into the company -- IMMEDIATELY put him in feuds with Sting, Rhino and Abyss only for him to be out indefinately after wrestling one match against Eric Young.
Johnny is likely getting the push that was planned for Judas.
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Post by comahan on Nov 16, 2007 12:04:32 GMT -5
There was a promo last night about Mesias returning, so hes likely coming back
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Post by hollywood on Nov 16, 2007 12:06:04 GMT -5
There was a promo last night about Mesias returning, so hes likely coming back Cool. I think I'm one of about 7 people here that really liked him, despite his short tenure.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 16, 2007 12:06:36 GMT -5
The guys name is Rellik (Killer in reverse.) I didn't catch his match on impact, but I really liked this guy seven years ago as "Johnny the Bull" on WCW. Let's hope he's still entertaining. By the way, I don't know if we'll ever see Judas again. TNA management might be pissed at the way they brought him into the company -- IMMEDIATELY put him in feuds with Sting, Rhino and Abyss only for him to be out indefinately after wrestling one match against Eric Young. Johnny is likely getting the push that was planned for Judas. i could be wrong but i think the sting angle at least came after the injury. i don't know i just personally don't see having a manager that turns on you and brings in other people is that much of a similarity for your character. if we thought like that then taker and kane would be similar to red rooster and the brooklynn brawler.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 16, 2007 12:07:32 GMT -5
I liked him in WSX. And I'm a fan of Jim Mitchell on the microphone.
So I guess I'm a Judas fan, even though he wasn't around in TNA long enough to make an impression on me.
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Post by comahan on Nov 16, 2007 12:07:33 GMT -5
There was a promo last night about Mesias returning, so hes likely coming back Cool. I think I'm one of about 7 people here that really liked him, despite his short tenure. I havent seen his ring work (except the jumping flatliner), but i personally love his look.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 16, 2007 12:08:36 GMT -5
i could be wrong but i think the sting angle at least came after the injury. The brawl with Sting was taped before the injury in AAA happened, and aired afterwards.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 16, 2007 12:09:16 GMT -5
Cool. I think I'm one of about 7 people here that really liked him, despite his short tenure. I havent seen his ring work (except the jumping flatliner), but i personally love his look. I will readily admit my WSX bias for liking him, though.
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Post by comahan on Nov 16, 2007 12:10:47 GMT -5
I havent seen his ring work (except the jumping flatliner), but i personally love his look. I will readily admit my WSX bias for liking him, though. I only caught one WSX episode, and I dont think he was there. It was that crazy battle royal ladder match thing where Waltman and Vampiro were the last two. Im totally buying the dvd though.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 16, 2007 12:11:41 GMT -5
I recall a lot of people on this board complaining about his look when he debuted. They said his tights were too generic and he was too small to look like a threat to Abyss.
He looks like a sick, crazy bastard to me. I wouldn't want to fight him if I could avoid it.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 16, 2007 12:13:37 GMT -5
I recall a lot of people on this board complaining about his look when he debuted. They said his tights were too generic and he was too small to look like a threat to Abyss. He looks like a sick, crazy bastard to me. I wouldn't want to fight him if I could avoid it. His debut where he sliced the begeezuss out of Abyss' arms with broken glass was pretty badass, too. And I don't even usually like bloody spots like that. (I don't quite get the Freddy Krueger lite accusation...I mean, he doesn't wear a glove with knives, he doesn't kill children, and, so far as I can guess, everyone that fought him was wide awake? )
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 16, 2007 12:16:28 GMT -5
Ric Flair was cut like he was made of marble, sure he wasn't a "behemoth" but was in great shape and had tremendous cardio. Dusty and Foley were able to become major stars in the business due to their incredible mic skills and everyman gimmick(s). -EDIT- "We're not talking Joe get bigger. I'm saying Joe could stand to shed a few layers of fat." Thanks to Joekishi for successfully making the point I was trying to make . Everyone's entitled to their opinions, I just disagree with this mentality on so many levels. In my view, this justification of "I'm not saying he needs to be 'roided up, just more muscular" is incredibly weak, and it can still lead to guys seeing a need for steroids. Look at Misawa in Japan. The man has a gut like a 50-year-old couch potato, but he's insanlely popular. I'm convinced that a guy like Joe could be every bit as popular as John Cena if pushed in the same capacity (TNA's lack of exposure notwithstanding). He could be equally as popular, and, in a time when pro wrestling is under heavy scrutiny for steroid abuse (and rightfully so), Joe could be a good alternative image for TNA. Losing weight and getting more tone has NOTHING AT ALL to do with steroids. Hell Joe could do it with a strict diet, hydroxycut, and a vigorous exercise regimen. I mean gosh nowadays he's sucking up air 5 minutes into the match. That's not the Samoa Joe from 2004. He's put on weight, but without any real muscle to counteract the fat. That's all I'm saying. Oh and Misawa has the body of a 50 year old couch potatoe, because he IS a 50 year old couch potatoe nowadays. Though he was never a specimen he did exhibit all that genki when he was younger. A reason that a guy like Cena is more marketable than Joe is his super human muscles. I mean Cena I'll definitely take his word that he did not take HGH or steroids to get to the size he's at. The other thing Cena has that Joe doesn't is charisma, great PR skills, and the aura of a superstar. That's one thing TNA fails at, building the aura of a STAR as opposed to making a guy main event. A guy can main event all he wants, it doesn't make him a STAR. Case in point Ronnie Garvin, great mid-carder horrible main eventer. Eheh... Oh and Abyss has SOOOOOO much potential in the character department. TNA's booking him as a monster sympathetic face. It's weird. I would not make him sympathetic i'd make him cold and emotionless. And at this point I'd buy him as a guy who could be put through anything and come out unchanged because he's been put through so much crap. Abyss as a sado-masochistic guy who gets off on pain whether it be giving or taking. would actully be real creepy. See i'm thinking a mix of Mankind and Goldust
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Post by thestinger on Nov 16, 2007 12:17:57 GMT -5
He's not that tall but he looks like a psycho.
I like that TNA wrestlers don't have to be roided up freaks to be intimidating.
Thanks to MMA, people now understand that a guy who weighs 150 lbs can kick the ass of a guy who weighs 300.
I heard an interview with Booker in which he talked about kicking that guy Batista's ass, and Book is smaller than him.
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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 16, 2007 12:20:31 GMT -5
Perfect example! Professional wrestling is NOT a corporation. It was made so by Vince McMahon. He ran everybody else out of business because he bastardized the sport out of greed. It BECAME a corporation because of his actions. I guess I cant blame him for being the Wal-Mart of Pro Wrestling. Destroying all the mom and pop stores, destroying communities all for the sake of the might dollar. It is capitalism. Funny how all the criticism of how Wal-Mart treats its employees too. But hey. They got cheap clothing! And theyre big, so they MUST be better. Thats the brainwashed thing I was talking about. McMahon changed wrestling into a corporation and he wants the monopoly. And instead of embracing change, diversity and choice, people are more than happy to just conform to the mass consumption's easiest choice. But the point is those same people come on forums and whine about TNA using washed up WWE guys, because there is no concept of there being more than one promotion that can use the same talent because theyve been conditioned to believe that WWE creates wrestlers out of thin air, and when theyre gone they should go home and work at Target or something. Even if they are talented and deserve a spot in other promtions. Buddy - when in the history of professional wrestling have promotions in the same area not fought for business? And I'm not sure where you're getting this 'wrestling is in a state of apocalypse' type s***. Have you SEEN the independents? There's more indy promotions out there now than ever before. Indy wrestling is growing all over the country. And why would Vince McMahon acknowledge them? Even most indies would rather not acknowledge each other if they can help it. Well friend, before 1983 there were promoters for different territories who didnt encroach on other people's territories. If you actually know much about wrestling, there were always tons of promotions and wrestlers could leave one place for another if they hated the promoter, or if their character got stale or got a better offer. Check it out. And as far as Indys, sure there a million, but most wrestlers on the Indys, probabley 95% cant make a living on the indy circuit. Maybe even a higher percentage. Vince McMahon doesnt need to acknowledge them because if they even get close to him, he will destory them. He ruined the wrestling business plain and simple, by making it a monopoly. Have you ever checked the finances of Indy promotions? Most lose money and the payouts are nothing.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 16, 2007 12:24:09 GMT -5
Vince was smart to kill off territories and build himself and empire. It was the smart thing to do business wise. Wrestling world wide is called WWF because to many people WWF is wrestling. You know how much work that took? It's called capitalism and working for the money. Vince got to his top spot by being ruthless, cut throat, and I really do like that.
These guys did wrestling more as a way to make money around the country, Vince became a billionaire because of it. Really who made the right choice? I'd say Vince is a genius and a very savvy business man who took advantage of the naive territorial promoters.
Was it right morally? Who's to say. Was it right for the wrestlers who became rich because of vince? hell yeah it was.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 16, 2007 12:37:22 GMT -5
Vince was smart to kill off territories and build himself and empire. It was the smart thing to do business wise. Wrestling world wide is called WWF because to many people WWF is wrestling. You know how much work that took? It's called capitalism and working for the money. Vince got to his top spot by being ruthless, cut throat, and I really do like that. These guys did wrestling more as a way to make money around the country, Vince became a billionaire because of it. Really who made the right choice? I'd say Vince is a genius and a very savvy business man who took advantage of the naive territorial promoters. Was it right morally? Who's to say. Was it right for the wrestlers who became rich because of vince? hell yeah it was. [/thread]. I don't believe in fretting over things like that. It's the past for a reason.
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Post by joeman on Nov 16, 2007 14:22:49 GMT -5
Vince was smart to kill off territories and build himself and empire. It was the smart thing to do business wise. Wrestling world wide is called WWF because to many people WWF is wrestling. You know how much work that took? It's called capitalism and working for the money. Vince got to his top spot by being ruthless, cut throat, and I really do like that. These guys did wrestling more as a way to make money around the country, Vince became a billionaire because of it. Really who made the right choice? I'd say Vince is a genius and a very savvy business man who took advantage of the naive territorial promoters. Was it right morally? Who's to say. Was it right for the wrestlers who became rich because of vince? hell yeah it was. Exactly. AGAIN, if anyone else, especially the people in this forum, was in the same situation as Vince in all times, they would do the exact same thing. Capitalism might be evil, but it is the most prominent economical system there is right now.
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Post by thestinger on Nov 16, 2007 14:49:07 GMT -5
Vince was smart to kill off territories and build himself and empire. It was the smart thing to do business wise. Wrestling world wide is called WWF because to many people WWF is wrestling. You know how much work that took? It's called capitalism and working for the money. Vince got to his top spot by being ruthless, cut throat, and I really do like that. These guys did wrestling more as a way to make money around the country, Vince became a billionaire because of it. Really who made the right choice? I'd say Vince is a genius and a very savvy business man who took advantage of the naive territorial promoters. Was it right morally? Who's to say. Was it right for the wrestlers who became rich because of vince? hell yeah it was. Here's my problem. Everyone keeps using the phrases "Vince's business practices" and "capitalism" to mean the same thing. They aren't. I believe in capitalism and the free market. It's no accident the United States is the most powerful nation in the history of the world. Vince screws over his own employees. That's not a 'requirement' of the free market. He betrays people like Wendi Richter and Bret Hart. So when I say that disapprove of Vince's business practices, I don't mean trying to drive the competition out of business. I am a capitalist. Vince is a liar.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 16, 2007 15:46:22 GMT -5
Vince was smart to kill off territories and build himself and empire. It was the smart thing to do business wise. Wrestling world wide is called WWF because to many people WWF is wrestling. You know how much work that took? It's called capitalism and working for the money. Vince got to his top spot by being ruthless, cut throat, and I really do like that. These guys did wrestling more as a way to make money around the country, Vince became a billionaire because of it. Really who made the right choice? I'd say Vince is a genius and a very savvy business man who took advantage of the naive territorial promoters. Was it right morally? Who's to say. Was it right for the wrestlers who became rich because of vince? hell yeah it was. Here's my problem. Everyone keeps using the phrases "Vince's business practices" and "capitalism" to mean the same thing. They aren't. I believe in capitalism and the free market. It's no accident the United States is the most powerful nation in the history of the world. Vince screws over his own employees. That's not a 'requirement' of the free market. He betrays people like Wendi Richter and Bret Hart. So when I say that disapprove of Vince's business practices, I don't mean trying to drive the competition out of business. I am a capitalist. Vince is a liar. I would venture to say that virtually 100% of all capitalists as successful as Vince are liars.
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