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Post by hollywood on Dec 12, 2007 13:44:45 GMT -5
If they're losing money, they need higher buyrates. Regardless of how their merchandise sells, PPV buys are their chief source of revenue. And if it's too low to compensate for the costs of running the company, they need to do better. It's not my job to worry about it. I don't work for them. I need to worry about paying my bills. I'll give TNA my business as long as they entertain me, which in terms of ppv, was hit or miss this year. I hated two ppvs (Hard Justice, Destination X) thought two were deeply flawed but had some redeeming factors and liked or loved the remaining eight. But you won't be able to give them your business if they continue losing money.
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Post by tnarick on Dec 12, 2007 13:50:17 GMT -5
Reports of TNA losing money are fake. There is no site with real info on TNA PPV buyrates. TNA is past breaking even now, they are making a profit.
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Post by icansleep on Dec 12, 2007 13:53:15 GMT -5
It's too late to apologize Lance! You're either with us or against us! And you've made what side of the line you stand on exceptionally clear!
Down with the WW-Monopol-E Up with the TNArmy
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Post by Styx Cover Band on Dec 12, 2007 13:54:01 GMT -5
Reports of TNA losing money are fake. There is no site with real info on TNA PPV buyrates. TNA is past breaking even now, they are making a profit. Source for this or is this just what you assume?
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Post by hollywood on Dec 12, 2007 13:54:24 GMT -5
Reports of TNA losing money are fake. There is no site with real info on TNA PPV buyrates. TNA is past breaking even now, they are making a profit. Actually, reports of TNA losing money aren't fake. They were practically bleeding money for a long time. In the past year it's become somewhat accepted they've finally broken even and turned a profit. However, that really hasn't been proven conclusively, either.
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Post by slasher911 on Dec 12, 2007 13:58:01 GMT -5
In the end, there's no arguing with TNA's PPV buys, though. For a five year old company at a time when pro wrestling is no place near what it was, they're not so bad. But to be pulling the same numbers after 3 years, especially with this roster? I know stability is good, but when you're stuck riding in the 'no money' zone, it *is* a bad thing. TNA's only had I think 3 or so PPVs that have made them any money.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 12, 2007 14:03:01 GMT -5
But you won't be able to give them your business if they continue losing money. I'm not going to worry about that. I have more than enough real stress directly related to my life. I'm not a TNA employee, I'm a customer. They need to worry about staying in business. I'll survive even they don't. Hell, in the 90s the two wrestling companies I followed both closed down. I gave up the hobby and never gave wrestling a thought for five years. What do you suggest I do? Panic everytime a low rating comes it? Email my suggestions to Jeff Jarrett each week and hope he implements my reforms? I don't celebrate whenever TNA sets a new record and I don't break down and sob whenever they do badly. This is a hobby of mine. It's for fun. I'm not going to have fun if I'm worrying about ratings and buyrates.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Dec 12, 2007 14:05:51 GMT -5
Reports of TNA losing money are fake. There is no site with real info on TNA PPV buyrates. TNA is past breaking even now, they are making a profit. So...if there's no real info...how do you know they are making a profit?
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 12, 2007 14:07:39 GMT -5
Reports of TNA losing money are fake. There is no site with real info on TNA PPV buyrates. TNA is past breaking even now, they are making a profit. So...if there's no real info...how do you know they are making a profit? you forgot to ask him to say Kcirant outloud
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Post by thestinger on Dec 12, 2007 14:08:30 GMT -5
Some people choose to assume the company is still losing money, others choose to believe it is turning a small profit.
Since there's no proof either way, arguing about it is a waste of time.
If you care about such things, you choose to believe what you want.
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Post by tnarick on Dec 12, 2007 15:32:26 GMT -5
Thats my point guys, It is easy to make up crap and have it spread especially to sheep wrestling fans.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 12, 2007 16:00:24 GMT -5
But you won't be able to give them your business if they continue losing money. I'm not going to worry about that. I have more than enough real stress directly related to my life. I'm not a TNA employee, I'm a customer. They need to worry about staying in business. I'll survive even they don't. Hell, in the 90s the two wrestling companies I followed both closed down. I gave up the hobby and never gave wrestling a thought for five years. What do you suggest I do? Panic everytime a low rating comes it? Email my suggestions to Jeff Jarrett each week and hope he implements my reforms? I don't celebrate whenever TNA sets a new record and I don't break down and sob whenever they do badly. This is a hobby of mine. It's for fun. I'm not going to have fun if I'm worrying about ratings and buyrates. I'm simply pointing out the reasons for Lance's criticisms. He honestly wants them to succeed (unless he's lying), and he thinks their current creative direction is hurting them the most. And I happen to agree. I suppose I'm like you in the long run, though. If they do go under, I'll probably just continue enjoying indy wrestling like ROH and the local promotion in my area.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 12, 2007 16:58:30 GMT -5
I've never had a problem understanding a TNA story either. I like a little complexity in my television, whether it's wrestling, comedy, or drama.
Hell, my favorite television show is probably Arrested Development, and that show had plots that were impossible to crack without watching an episode three times or more. To each his own.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 12, 2007 17:02:36 GMT -5
I don't mind Angle and Styles being complete goofs. It currently works for Styles and has always worked for Angle. I do agree that the product needs direction and needs to focus on promoting PPVs. I think that the best angles in TNA do get forgotten sometimes (BPP was a member of the Christian Coalition, but his leaving was never capitalized, despite some solid booking behind his potential leaving). What is the deal with the way Nash is booked? Sting? Abyss (this really is a bit of a waste there)? Where did the crybaby act that Chris Harris was doing go? What the hell was with the Storm-Young feud? Why do they ignore the desires of the fans when it comes to ODB? Some of their booking decisions really makes me scratch my head.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 12, 2007 17:07:09 GMT -5
I don't mind Angle and Styles being complete goofs. It currently works for Styles and has always worked for Angle. I do agree that the product needs direction and needs to focus on promoting PPVs. I think that the best angles in TNA do get forgotten sometimes (BPP was a member of the Christian Coalition, but his leaving was never capitalized, despite some solid booking behind his potential leaving). What is the deal with the way Nash is booked? Sting? Abyss (this really is a bit of a waste there)? Where did the crybaby act that Chris Harris was doing go? What the hell was with the Storm-Young feud? Why do they ignore the desires of the fans when it comes to ODB? Some of their booking decisions really makes me scratch my head. To be fair though Kurt claimed he hated being a goofy guy in WWE (if I recall right, which I might not)
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Post by comahan on Dec 12, 2007 17:08:15 GMT -5
I don't mind Angle and Styles being complete goofs. It currently works for Styles and has always worked for Angle. I do agree that the product needs direction and needs to focus on promoting PPVs. I think that the best angles in TNA do get forgotten sometimes (BPP was a member of the Christian Coalition, but his leaving was never capitalized, despite some solid booking behind his potential leaving). What is the deal with the way Nash is booked? Sting? Abyss (this really is a bit of a waste there)? Where did the crybaby act that Chris Harris was doing go? What the hell was with the Storm-Young feud? Why do they ignore the desires of the fans when it comes to ODB? Some of their booking decisions really makes me scratch my head. The Chris Harris crybaby act hasn't stopped.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 12, 2007 17:08:46 GMT -5
Some people choose to assume the company is still losing money, others choose to believe it is turning a small profit. Since there's no proof either way, arguing about it is a waste of time. If you care about such things, you choose to believe what you want. i think what you're missing throughout this entire thred, buddy, is that if TNA dosen't improve their product... then they are going to slowly go the way of the buffalo... then we are stuck with WWE and WWE only on free tv again. it will be really hard to be a TNA fan, if there's no TNA to speak of. ya dig? TNA has proven with Joe/Angle that they can bring in 3 times the buyrates that they're bringing in now. which means that their product at this moment is not as good as it has been or could be. which means they're doing something wrong. and a company can only put out sub-par product for so long untill they go under... nobody expects you to worry about TNA's finances... i'm sure you've got pleanty of finances to worry about on your own... we all do... but you cant just totally ignore the fact taht lance storm is presenting a valid point just because you cant be bothered with the facts...
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 12, 2007 17:15:00 GMT -5
I think TNA is more dumb than confusing.
WCW, now that was confusing. You barely knew who the champions where, the titles changed all the time, who hated who..etc. TNA, Kurt's been champ for a while, the belt isn't changing hands every week and I know the main fueds.
The way people talk, it's like TNA is more complicated than Donnie Darko and Mulhullond Drive or something.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 12, 2007 17:27:10 GMT -5
i think what you're missing throughout this entire thred, buddy, is that if TNA dosen't improve their product... then they are going to slowly go the way of the buffalo... then we are stuck with WWE and WWE only on free tv again. Not my problem. I would probably keep going to indy shows, or perhaps finally have the motivation to get into ROH. nobody expects you to worry about TNA's finances... i'm sure you've got pleanty of finances to worry about on your own... we all do... but you cant just totally ignore the fact taht lance storm is presenting a valid point just because you cant be bothered with the facts... I don't think all of Lance's points are valid. I responded to a few of them already. Of course they're not all invalid either. I did think it was a bit strange that champion Jay Lethal was in a ladder match to win back possession of the X-Division belt from Team 3D. Cornette should have said, "Give it back now, or you're fired!" to Jabba Ray. To be fair though Kurt claimed he hated being a goofy guy in WWE (if I recall right, which I might not) Kurt didn't say he hated being a goofball. He just said that after six years he wanted to be himself for a change and use his real personality. Lots of people have brought that up recently as being one Kurt's supposedly 'loopy' statements, since turning heel, Kurt's been a real goof. Where did the crybaby act that Chris Harris was doing go? What the hell was with the Storm-Young feud? Why do they ignore the desires of the fans when it comes to ODB? Some of their booking decisions really makes me scratch my head. I was in the impact taping for tomorrow nights show. Chris Harris is still doing the same story (which I don't like, by the way) and I noticed that there's a very small ODB contigent. There's like six guys who chant her name constantly, but I guess it sounds like more on TV. What's not to understand about Eric Young and James Storm? The fact that they were drinking buddies and then Storm suddenly attacked Eric for seemingly no reason? I think it was supposed to be because he was drunk.
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Post by Styx Cover Band on Dec 12, 2007 17:38:54 GMT -5
Stinger with many answers from you as "not my problem" and "i have my own problems to worry about" why even partake in the discussion?
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