Lance Storm clarifies his TNA comments

[Michael Coello]

Here's the thing.

I don't get why it's all so understandable for WWE to be able to do all the stuff they do, and TNA isn't. Sure, they say it's cause WWE has money to burn, but it's not really about money. It's about time and ideas. I don't think it's a valid argument to say WWE can do watever crap he wants to do, cause it's his money, and TNA can't. It's Pandas money. I think they can also do what they want. WCW did what they wanted cause Turner had the money. I don't think TNA will drag Panda down cause they lose money, especially since Panda makes BILLIONS. They wish it made money, but they're sure not hurting if they don't.

Plus, why are we using the same buyrate numbers from 1 event to describe them all. TNA doesn't release the numbers, and this leads to guesses and second hand information, but I don't think everything should be concrete. The last stuff I remember was hearing a PPV from the summer was low, mostly cause it was a PPV gauntlet around then(5 PPVs in 5 weeks). I didn't hear anything about anything lately, especially for a PPV from a week ago that Lance is using as an example.

[thestinger]

Because it's a thread about "Lance Storm clarifies his TNA comments."

So I'm taking part of the discussion to talk about Lance Storm's TNA comments -- specifically the parts about booking.

That's what my original statements on this thread were about.

I made an offhand remark that ratings and buyrates don't matter to me, and since then I've a bunch a people imply that I should care about them if I'm a TNA fan.

Even though I don't.

[rubber johnny]

seriously, doesn't this guy have some wrestling expo to go to and make his $35 for the day

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duggle said:

seriously, doesn't this guy have some wrestling expo to go to and make his $35 for the day

Nah, he's too busy teaching classes of around 12-15 people every couple of months for about $4,000.00 a student.

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irontyger said:

duggle said:

seriously, doesn't this guy have some wrestling expo to go to and make his $35 for the day

Nah, he's too busy teaching classes of around 12-15 people every couple of months for about $4,000.00 each.

Yeah way too much free time on his hands

[metylerca]

thestinger said:

Because it's a thread about "Lance Storm clarifies his TNA comments."

So I'm taking part of the discussion to talk about Lance Storm's TNA comments -- specifically the parts about booking.

That's what my original statements on this thread were about.

I made an offhand remark that ratings and buyrates don't matter to me, and since then I've a bunch a people imply that I should care about them if I'm a TNA fan.

Even though I don't.

See, I get what you're saying man, but I'm just kind of perplexed about it. TNA will be out of business in X amount of years if they don't change the way things are going, that might just be a fact. With their nonsensical storylines at times, it makes it hard to follow the company for the casual fan, the same casual fan that I feel,.... and I might be in the minority, that TNA should be trying to attract. Buyrates don't mean everything, but they do mean something... so it makes sense to be frustrated at a brand throwing out money matches on Impact for no real reason. Hell... the spoilers i've been reading have more gimmick matches than actualy one on one matches. While it might provide for a more compelling 'in ring' product, because they DO have the better overall roster, it doesn't generate the buyrates they need to pull in cash. If TNA had the BILLIONS of dollars backing them, as stated by someone earlier, then why don't they have the production values? Or the advertising....

All in all, I see that it's not your job to give a shit about a wrestling brand, you just watch it for leisure.. but at which point will it no longer be around to provide entertainment if they continue to be boneheaded in execution of usually easy ideas.

-metylerca

[metylerca]

duggle said:

seriously, doesn't this guy have some wrestling expo to go to and make his $35 for the day

He got tired of Virgil.

[tnarick]

You guys are losing this argument with thestinger until you can provide proof on TNAs buyrates and not breaking even. Lance Storm is not proof. Lance Storm was paid by the WWE to sit at home because they cannot come up with anything creative for him (the only man to do that was Vince Russo) and they pay him to write these columns about TNA and take shots about false problems.

[Michael Coello]

metylerca said:

If TNA had the BILLIONS of dollars backing them, as stated by someone earlier, then why don't they have the production values? Or the advertising....

That someone was me. However, I didn't say TNA had Billions of dollars backing it. I said Panda was a Billion dollar corporation, and that TNA losing the money they do won't cause them to go bankrupt.

TNA didn't get themselves in a position to get money for a while. They ran in places that had no admission fees, ever to this day. They had to pay a lot of money when they were on FSN for the timeslot, and that wasn't even guaranteed. They didn't get in a position to get money until recently, and it's not complete.

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tnarick said:

Lance Storm was paid by the WWE to sit at home because they cannot come up with anything creative for him (the only man to do that was Vince Russo)

Uh, Paul Heyman? Jim Cornette in Smokey Mountain? Even Tenryu in Japan?

[thestinger]

metylerca said:

See, I get what you're saying man, but I'm just kind of perplexed about it. TNA will be out of business in X amount of years if they don't change the way things are going, that might just be a fact.

TNA may also be out of business in X amount of years no matter what they do. Maybe starting a new business an industry where there exists a monopoly is doomed to failure from the start.

TNA is here today, and I'm going to enjoy it for as long as I can. And when it does cease to exist, I'm willing to bet that a lot of folks will celebrate (like when WCW died) and then a year later, many of those same people will miss it.

When we see characters like "Samoa Joe, Gay Prostitute" and "AJ Styles, stuttering clown with tourettes" in WWE, a lot of you will realize that TNA isn't as bad as you thought.

metylerca said:

All in all, I see that it's not your job to give a crap about a wrestling brand, you just watch it for leisure.. but at which point will it no longer be around to provide entertainment if they continue to be boneheaded in execution of usually easy ideas.

Ok then. What am I supposed to do? Order a ppv every month? I ordered nine or ten in 2007. Buy more merchandise? I buy a DVD everytime they put one out of someone I like (next purchase is Instant Classic: The Best of Christian Cage).

Buy more tickets to live events? There have been only two in New York/New Jersey and I've been to both. Earlier today I read there may be a show in Long Island in Feb. I'm sure I'll go to that too.

What more can I do to help TNA? How can I be a better customer than I am?

[metylerca]

sinister1 said:

metylerca said:

If TNA had the BILLIONS of dollars backing them, as stated by someone earlier, then why don't they have the production values? Or the advertising....

That someone was me. However, I didn't say TNA had Billions of dollars backing it. I said Panda was a Billion dollar corporation, and that TNA losing the money they do won't cause them to go bankrupt.

TNA didn't get themselves in a position to get money for a while. They ran in places that had no admission fees, ever to this day. They had to pay a lot of money when they were on FSN for the timeslot, and that wasn't even guaranteed. They didn't get in a position to get money until recently, and it's not complete.

I stand corrected, but I still keep my opinion that if Panda, a company that invests in TNA, would ignore the fact that the wrestling company they back doesn't get the advertising it needs to garner viewership..... then they shouldn't be behind the company to begin with. I truly think, after reading alot about this, that if TNA had the advertising to go with their great timeslot, they wouldn't be getting 1.1's. All a 1.1 tells me is that the same people are watching every week... but if that is a reflection of the product, then it'd be lower.. but that isn't the case. TNA hit a period where they were having great booking, cool TV matches, and at least passable storylines... but the rating stayed 1.1. If they had advertising from both their network and sponsors.... the company's flagship show would be at 1.4 or maybe a 1.5 right now. It's not just the booking thats bringing them down, it's much much more.

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tnarick said:

You guys are losing this argument with thestinger until you can provide proof on TNAs buyrates and not breaking even. Lance Storm is not proof. Lance Storm was paid by the WWE to sit at home because they cannot come up with anything creative for him (the only man to do that was Vince Russo) and they pay him to write these columns about TNA and take shots about false problems.

Really? That's why he has criticized WWE in a number of his blogs

[metylerca]

thestinger said:

metylerca said:

See, I get what you're saying man, but I'm just kind of perplexed about it. TNA will be out of business in X amount of years if they don't change the way things are going, that might just be a fact.

TNA may also be out of business in X amount of years no matter what they do. Maybe starting a new business an industry where there exists a monopoly is doomed to failure from the start.

TNA is here today, and I'm going to enjoy it for as long as I can. And when it does cease to exist, I'm willing to bet that a lot of folks will celebrate (like when WCW died) and then a year later, many of those same people will miss it.

When we see characters like "Samoa Joe, Gay Prostitute" and "AJ Styles, stuttering clown with tourettes" in WWE, a lot of you will realize that TNA isn't as bad as you thought.

metylerca said:

All in all, I see that it's not your job to give a crap about a wrestling brand, you just watch it for leisure.. but at which point will it no longer be around to provide entertainment if they continue to be boneheaded in execution of usually easy ideas.

Ok then. What am I supposed to do? Order a ppv every month? I ordered nine or ten in 2007. Buy more merchandise? I buy a DVD everytime they put one out of someone I like (next purchase is Instant Classic: The Best of Christian Cage).

Buy more tickets to live events? There have been only two in New York/New Jersey and I've been to both. Earlier today I read there may be a show in Long Island in Feb. I'm sure I'll go to that too.

What more can I do to help TNA? How can I be a better customer than I am?

You're already doing a stand-up job by buying PPV's and merchandise.... but even if you don't agree with Storm... you at least should know that 'blind faith' is something to take with a grain of salt. If people who back TNA no matter what, send the message that their product is inferior to its capabilitites... then the product will improve. (WWE 1997 is the best example)
I'm sure you have no problem whatsoever with the product as is... but for every one person who will back TNA no matter what, there's 6 others who will criticize it for even the smallest of mistakes.

[metylerca]

voiceboxisback said:

tnarick said:

You guys are losing this argument with thestinger until you can provide proof on TNAs buyrates and not breaking even. Lance Storm is not proof. Lance Storm was paid by the WWE to sit at home because they cannot come up with anything creative for him (the only man to do that was Vince Russo) and they pay him to write these columns about TNA and take shots about false problems.

Really, that's why he has criticized WWE in a number of his blogs

He's really paid to sit at home and blog?

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metylerca said:

voiceboxisback said:

Really, that's why he has criticized WWE in a number of his blogs

He's really paid to sit at home and blog?

No

[Michael Coello]

metylerca said:

sinister1 said:

That someone was me. However, I didn't say TNA had Billions of dollars backing it. I said Panda was a Billion dollar corporation, and that TNA losing the money they do won't cause them to go bankrupt.

TNA didn't get themselves in a position to get money for a while. They ran in places that had no admission fees, ever to this day. They had to pay a lot of money when they were on FSN for the timeslot, and that wasn't even guaranteed. They didn't get in a position to get money until recently, and it's not complete.

I stand corrected, but I still keep my opinion that if Panda, a company that invests in TNA, would ignore the fact that the wrestling company they back doesn't get the advertising it needs to garner viewership..... then they shouldn't be behind the company to begin with. I truly think, after reading alot about this, that if TNA had the advertising to go with their great timeslot, they wouldn't be getting 1.1's. All a 1.1 tells me is that the same people are watching every week... but if that is a reflection of the product, then it'd be lower.. but that isn't the case. TNA hit a period where they were having great booking, cool TV matches, and at least passable storylines... but the rating stayed 1.1. If they had advertising from both their network and sponsors.... the company's flagship show would be at 1.4 or maybe a 1.5 right now. It's not just the booking thats bringing them down, it's much much more.

Holy Crap! We agree on something!

TNA depends too much on the fans to help get the word out. They need to spend some money on advertisement , not street teams with flyers and stickers. The early Street Teamers sucked cause they were in it for themselves and not their job. They need to advertise.

Hell, WWE had their XV anniversary advertising up the wazoo! I saw commercials on TV on a bunch of channels, frequently, and a bunch of ads on this forum and a bunch more. I ever heard an ad for it on a local Spanish radio station!

UFC has a bunch of commercials for their PPVs and ever has a billboard near my town that advertises the next PPV main event.

TNA needs to advertisement, cause it's very, very important.

[tnarick]

He gets paid $1000 per blog he makes up about TNAWrestling. I read it on the old WCWHOTRUMORS website.. they have never been wrong.

[metylerca]

sinister1 said:

metylerca said:

I stand corrected, but I still keep my opinion that if Panda, a company that invests in TNA, would ignore the fact that the wrestling company they back doesn't get the advertising it needs to garner viewership..... then they shouldn't be behind the company to begin with. I truly think, after reading alot about this, that if TNA had the advertising to go with their great timeslot, they wouldn't be getting 1.1's. All a 1.1 tells me is that the same people are watching every week... but if that is a reflection of the product, then it'd be lower.. but that isn't the case. TNA hit a period where they were having great booking, cool TV matches, and at least passable storylines... but the rating stayed 1.1. If they had advertising from both their network and sponsors.... the company's flagship show would be at 1.4 or maybe a 1.5 right now. It's not just the booking thats bringing them down, it's much much more.

Holy Crap! We agree on something!

TNA depends too much on the fans to help get the word out. They need to spend some money on advertisement , not street teams with flyers and stickers. The early Street Teamers sucked cause they were in it for themselves and not their job. They need to advertise.

Hell, WWE had their XV anniversary advertising up the wazoo! I saw commercials on TV on a bunch of channels, frequently, and a bunch of ads on this forum and a bunch more. I ever heard an ad for it on a local Spanish radio station!

UFC has a bunch of commercials for their PPVs and ever has a billboard near my town that advertises the next PPV main event.

TNA needs to advertisement, cause it's very, very important.

Yeah, the world just stopped revolving .. but really, if they were to capitalize on what they already have, and instead of venturing with unmarketable endeavors ala 'TNAU or TNA Street Team', and instead maybe buying up 20 second spots on primetime network TV, like I have seen WWE do on NBC many of times, they'd get way more exposure. I'm not sure who the parent company to Spike is... I think CBS , but i'm sure it wouldn't hurt to put on a commercial for TNA in between ads for air freshener and Pine Sol.

But even the advertising would only get them so far, because even if they got the exposure, they would need to step up big time in providing a show that will keep attention week in, week out. My main gripe is the way Impact is booked on many occasions. You may not agree that free-tv squash matches and saving the gimmick matches for PPV's are the way to go, but it's a proven method. People hardly remember the Raw Roulette ladder match from 2002 which kicked 283 types of ass.... but they do remember the Money in the Bank matches that were built up to be huge things in the eyes of fans, simply because it got the right build up and exposure. If TNA saved gimmick matches, or at least built them up to be important, then we wouldn't need to create a new variation of the street fight for PPV just because they used one up on Impact a couple of weeks ago.

[metylerca]

tnarick said:

He gets paid $1000 per blog he makes up about TNAWrestling. I read it on the old WCWHOTRUMORS website.. they have never been wrong.

Did this website have any affiliation with Rajah?